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Post by blackiechan1999 on Dec 30, 2017 9:35:29 GMT -5
setters usually come in at the beginning of the summer not the spring, but what I’m saying is Shook came in like a week before the season started, a week isn’t a long time to get connections going she had to figure out as the season went along. Take Miley at Kentucky for example she came at the beginning of the summer which seems to be the usual case for all players. Didn't Lilley travel with JNT last summer before UK? ok and?  It’s not like she went the whole summer she still had a good amount of weeks to work with her teammates plus she was playing with the JNT which can translate really good into college play. |
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Dec 30, 2017 9:40:17 GMT -5
Setters shouldn’t be held to a different standard bc they came in early or not. Frankly who cares. Shook came later than some, sure but I guess the Texas staff didn’t focus enough on improving their setter (or back row). There are plenty of fantastic true freshman setters. Are a couple weeks of practice early on really that pivotal? No is holding her to a different standard she came literally a week or two before the season started because she was still playing club volleyball, but she wasn’t terrible she had a lot of really good sets. She just needs to work on out of system sets if passing doesn’t improve |
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Dec 30, 2017 9:41:25 GMT -5
Setters shouldn’t be held to a different standard bc they came in early or not. Frankly who cares. Shook came later than some, sure but I guess the Texas staff didn’t focus enough on improving their setter (or back row). There are plenty of fantastic true freshman setters. Are a couple weeks of practice early on really that pivotal? You're a perfect example of a fan from another school (Stanford) who comes on this thread and offers absolutely nothing worthwhile when it comes to Texas volleyball. We get it; you don't think Shook improved. You already outed yourself as someone who didn't watch her closely throughout the season; so, your jaded opinion carries no weight. Anything else we can help you with this holiday season? lol I feel like we on the same page |
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Post by Disc808 on Dec 30, 2017 12:55:27 GMT -5
This is a forum... opinions are allowed. Bye Felicia
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Post by southie on Dec 30, 2017 13:44:38 GMT -5
This is a forum... opinions are allowed. Bye Felicia You have opinions, no doubt. You also outed yourself (foolishly) as not having closely watched Shook play this season. Therefore, your opinion about her play is WORTHLESS to anyone with common sense. All you have done 3 times so far in this thread is hide behind the opinion of one recruiting service. |
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Post by Disc808 on Dec 30, 2017 14:09:31 GMT -5
This is a forum... opinions are allowed. Bye Felicia You have opinions, no doubt. You also outed yourself (foolishly) as not having closely watched Shook play this season. Therefore, your opinion about her play is WORTHLESS to anyone with common sense. All you have done 3 times so far in this thread is hide behind the opinion of one recruiting service. Texas fans are afraid to be wrong. I remember all the hype about Shook (and Sun... and Butler....). I’ve seen her play enough. Reminds me of Hannah Allison.... Allz i was saying is that the excuse of not coming in earlier could not justify her lack of significant development in location and decision making. |
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Post by chisovnik on Dec 30, 2017 14:10:07 GMT -5
Really tired of all these randos bashing Shook for her "demeanor" on the court. Leaders come in all varieties. Just because she's not Khat Bell doesn't mean she's a poor leader.
Her big issue is location. For someone whose been at SPRI all her life, both her technique and location leave a lot to be desired.
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Post by southie on Dec 30, 2017 15:06:15 GMT -5
You have opinions, no doubt. You also outed yourself (foolishly) as not having closely watched Shook play this season. Therefore, your opinion about her play is WORTHLESS to anyone with common sense. All you have done 3 times so far in this thread is hide behind the opinion of one recruiting service. . I remember all the hype about Shook (and Sun... and Butler....). I’ve seen her play enough. Reminds me of Hannah Allison.... Allz i was saying is that the excuse of not coming in earlier could not justify her lack of significant development in location and decision making. What exactly are Texas fans wrong about? None of us were the ones who ranked her in the Top 10 nationally. That ranking you are so glued to is what provided us with expectations of her abilities as a setter. The majority of us had never seen her play prior to her arrival at Texas. Now you are going to bring up Hannah Allison from like several years ago? Hannah led Texas to the 2012 national title. And, she helped Texas reach the Final Four in 2010 (as a #9 national seed) and 2013. Perhaps I am not giving you enough credit for your expertise on setter play. I mean, Stanford's Maddie Bugg(eyes) came to Stanford as the top setter in her class. Yet, the best she could do was lead her team to one Final Four appearance in 4 years as a starter. I'm sure you posted on this forum numerous times about how bad a setter she was, and how she did not live up to her individual recruiting ranking. Wasn't Merete Lutz a Top 10-20 recruit in 2013? And, she wasn't even good enough to see the court her true freshman season so she had to be redshirted? I mean, it's not like Stanford was even reaching the Final Four at all from 2009 to 2013, so she should have been able to help in 2013 for sure. Being a Top 10 recruit, she should have been able to contribute right away and "develop" throughout the Fall no matter what the circumstances, especially on a team that was underachieving for several seasons prior to her arrival on campus. |
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Dec 30, 2017 15:17:09 GMT -5
You have opinions, no doubt. You also outed yourself (foolishly) as not having closely watched Shook play this season. Therefore, your opinion about her play is WORTHLESS to anyone with common sense. All you have done 3 times so far in this thread is hide behind the opinion of one recruiting service. Texas fans are afraid to be wrong. I remember all the hype about Shook (and Sun... and Butler....). I’ve seen her play enough. Reminds me of Hannah Allison.... Allz i was saying is that the excuse of not coming in earlier could not justify her lack of significant development in location and decision making. you literally said that you didn’t watch closely enough so why do you keep on talking? Also no one said Her setting technique was due too not coming early I literally said like three times already that she came in really late in the summer right before the season started setters usually come at the beginning of the summer with the other recruits. No one said anything about coming early in the spring. Coming at the start of summer is regular time for most volleyball players. Even though she had her shortcomings she did well, and will only get better. Think about this would you fair well in a top D1 program if you came right before the season started? Just goes to show that Shooks ranking in the senior aces was not all that wrong for her. |
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Post by Disc808 on Dec 30, 2017 15:26:01 GMT -5
Texas fans are afraid to be wrong. I remember all the hype about Shook (and Sun... and Butler....). I’ve seen her play enough. Reminds me of Hannah Allison.... Allz i was saying is that the excuse of not coming in earlier could not justify her lack of significant development in location and decision making. What exactly are Texas fans wrong about? None of us were the ones who ranked her in the Top 10 nationally. That ranking you are so glued to is what provided us with expectations of her abilities as a setter. The majority of us had never seen her play prior to her arrival at Texas. Now you are going to bring up Hannah Allison from like several years ago? Hannah led Texas to the 2012 national title. And, she helped Texas reach the Final Four in 2010 (as a #9 national seed) and 2013. Perhaps I am not giving you enough credit for your expertise on setter play. I mean, Stanford's Maddie Bugg(eyes) came to Stanford as the top setter in her class. Yet, the best she could do was lead her team to one Final Four appearance in 4 years as a starter. I'm sure you posted on this forum numerous times about how bad a setter she was, and how she did not live up to her individual recruiting ranking. Wasn't Merete Lutz a Top 10-20 recruit in 2013? And, she wasn't even good enough to see the court her true freshman season so she had to be redshirted? I mean, it's not like Stanford was even reaching the Final Four at all from 2009 to 2013, so she should have been able to help in 2013 for sure. Being a Top 10 recruit, she should have been able to contribute right away and "develop" throughout the Fall no matter what the circumstances, especially on a team that was underachieving for several seasons prior to her arrival on campus. Lutz wasn’t a top 10 recruit. She didn’t even play high school ball her junior and senior year and still needed development. She ended up a 4 time All American, as an Opp and MB. She also went to the Final Four in 2014, 2016, and 2017 with a national championship playing a new position. You also realize that Wopat and Ajanaku were All Americans in 2013. So lol. Lutz wasn’t gonna beat out two returning All Americans. Regarding Madi Bugg, everyone knows she didn’t show up in big moments. Jenna Gray is better in that sense. Nice try though |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 30, 2017 18:47:54 GMT -5
Texas fans are afraid to be wrong. I remember all the hype about Shook (and Sun... and Butler....). I’ve seen her play enough. Reminds me of Hannah Allison.... Allz i was saying is that the excuse of not coming in earlier could not justify her lack of significant development in location and decision making. Hannah led Texas to the 2012 national title. ...did she? I mean, she set the team but I wouldn’t describe her as the player who “led” them to a national championship. She played well in the tournament but I have had a hard time watching Texas’ setters, for the past decade or so (last one being Engle), and being impressed. And it’s not an indictment on their abilities, it just looks like they have their capabilities watered down so badly they have trouble making an impact. |
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Dec 30, 2017 20:44:48 GMT -5
Hannah led Texas to the 2012 national title. ...did she? I mean, she set the team but I wouldn’t describe her as the player who “led” them to a national championship. She played well in the tournament but I have had a hard time watching Texas’ setters, for the past decade or so (last one being Engle), and being impressed. And it’s not an indictment on their abilities, it just looks like they have their capabilities watered down so badly they have trouble making an impact. lol then don’t watch them then |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 30, 2017 20:49:09 GMT -5
...did she? I mean, she set the team but I wouldn’t describe her as the player who “led” them to a national championship. She played well in the tournament but I have had a hard time watching Texas’ setters, for the past decade or so (last one being Engle), and being impressed. And it’s not an indictment on their abilities, it just looks like they have their capabilities watered down so badly they have trouble making an impact. lol then don’t watch them then Why would I do that? I like Texas volleyball. |
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Dec 30, 2017 20:51:30 GMT -5
lol then don’t watch them then Why would I do that? I like Texas volleyball. then I really dont understand your problem with the setters |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 30, 2017 20:57:00 GMT -5
Why would I do that? I like Texas volleyball. then I really dont understand your problem with the setters Did I say I have a problem with the setters? Or did I say I dislike the system Texas forces their setters to operate under? |
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