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Dec 30, 2017 21:07:16 GMT -5
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Dec 30, 2017 21:07:16 GMT -5
then I really dont understand your problem with the setters Did I say I have a problem with the setters? Or did I say I dislike the system Texas forces their setters to operate under? sounded more like you have a problem with the setters, but if you meant the system that’s another thing |
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Dec 30, 2017 21:17:00 GMT -5
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 30, 2017 21:17:00 GMT -5
Did I say I have a problem with the setters? Or did I say I dislike the system Texas forces their setters to operate under? sounded more like you have a problem with the setters, but if you meant the system that’s another thing I tried to make that clear by saying “And it’s not an indictment on their abilities, it just looks like they have their capabilities watered down so badly they have trouble making an impact.” |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 22:06:36 GMT -5
Hannah led Texas to the 2012 national title. ...did she? I mean, she set the team but I wouldn’t describe her as the player who “led” them to a national championship. She played well in the tournament but I have had a hard time watching Texas’ setters, for the past decade or so (last one being Engle), and being impressed. And it’s not an indictment on their abilities, it just looks like they have their capabilities watered down so badly they have trouble making an impact. I have to agree with this point of the Texas setters looking “watered down” so to speak. Just speculation but it looks like they take a back seat to the dynamic hitters. Setting can be a very dynamic skill and when executed as much can be very effective. |
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Post by cbrown1709 on Dec 30, 2017 23:12:24 GMT -5
Didn't Lilley travel with JNT last summer before UK? ok and?  It’s not like she went the whole summer she still had a good amount of weeks to work with her teammates plus she was playing with the JNT which can translate really good into college play. Ok... the statement was that Lilley spent the summer with her hitters at UK. The statement wasn't true. She spent most of June training with the U21 team and then most of July traveling with them in Mexico. And then back on campus a week before pre-season. Lilley wasn't even the penciled starter to begin with. She broke her way into the line-up and took off from there. But back to the point, not a good comparison because the statement wasn't really true. |
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Dec 30, 2017 23:31:36 GMT -5
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Dec 30, 2017 23:31:36 GMT -5
ok and? It’s not like she went the whole summer she still had a good amount of weeks to work with her teammates plus she was playing with the JNT which can translate really good into college play. Ok... the statement was that Lilley spent the summer with her hitters at UK. The statement wasn't true. She spent most of June training with the U21 team and then most of July traveling with them in Mexico. And then back on campus a week before pre-season. Lilley wasn't even the penciled starter to begin with. She broke her way into the line-up and took off from there. But back to the point, not a good comparison because the statement wasn't really true. ok but it still isn’t right to compare her to Ashely Shook cuz Madison Lilly was also on the JNT back in high schoool so she has more experience setting at a higher level than Shook, a while Shook was doing club in the summer, Lilley was doing national play. |
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Dec 30, 2017 23:32:04 GMT -5
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Post by volleyca on Dec 30, 2017 23:32:04 GMT -5
ok and? It’s not like she went the whole summer she still had a good amount of weeks to work with her teammates plus she was playing with the JNT which can translate really good into college play. Ok... the statement was that Lilley spent the summer with her hitters at UK. The statement wasn't true. She spent most of June training with the U21 team and then most of July traveling with them in Mexico. And then back on campus a week before pre-season. Lilley wasn't even the penciled starter to begin with. She broke her way into the line-up and took off from there. But back to the point, not a good comparison because the statement wasn't really true. A little off topic but I feel that Lilley stands out bc, at least what I’ve heard, she wasn’t expected to start with the experience and skill of Olivia Dailey which she eventually beat out compared to Shook and Hilley which were both expected to start |
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Dec 30, 2017 23:32:59 GMT -5
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Dec 30, 2017 23:32:59 GMT -5
sounded more like you have a problem with the setters, but if you meant the system that’s another thing I tried to make that clear by saying “And it’s not an indictment on their abilities, it just looks like they have their capabilities watered down so badly they have trouble making an impact.” yeah I reread it, and, just curious,could you explain what capabilities you see being water down? |
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Post by Disc808 on Dec 30, 2017 23:58:04 GMT -5
Ok... the statement was that Lilley spent the summer with her hitters at UK. The statement wasn't true. She spent most of June training with the U21 team and then most of July traveling with them in Mexico. And then back on campus a week before pre-season. Lilley wasn't even the penciled starter to begin with. She broke her way into the line-up and took off from there. But back to the point, not a good comparison because the statement wasn't really true. A little off topic but I feel that Lilley stands out bc, at least what I’ve heard, she wasn’t expected to start with the experience and skill of Olivia Dailey which she eventually beat out compared to Shook and Hilley which were both expected to start I think a lot of people expected Lilley to start. She was superb with USA and in club ball. |
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Post by cbrown1709 on Dec 31, 2017 1:46:54 GMT -5
Ok... the statement was that Lilley spent the summer with her hitters at UK. The statement wasn't true. She spent most of June training with the U21 team and then most of July traveling with them in Mexico. And then back on campus a week before pre-season. Lilley wasn't even the penciled starter to begin with. She broke her way into the line-up and took off from there. But back to the point, not a good comparison because the statement wasn't really true. ok but it still isn’t right to compare her to Ashely Shook cuz Madison Lilly was also on the JNT back in high schoool so she has more experience setting at a higher level than Shook, a while Shook was doing club in the summer, Lilley was doing national play. Really? Please just stop using this comparison. You might get to know your players before making comparisons. Shook was on the JNT training and Lilley traveled with the as Walsh's backup. Not much difference there. Shook's Texas Bio |
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Post by cbrown1709 on Dec 31, 2017 1:55:52 GMT -5
A little off topic but I feel that Lilley stands out bc, at least what I’ve heard, she wasn’t expected to start with the experience and skill of Olivia Dailey which she eventually beat out compared to Shook and Hilley which were both expected to start I think a lot of people expected Lilley to start. She was superb with USA and in club ball. I agree. I think everyone knew she eventually would find her way into that starting role. Maybe not as quickly as she did but damn she did a great job. She did better than I ever expected. That is why I don't like the comparison they are using on here. It's actually taking away from the fact that Lilley flat out out-played Shook. And truly I feel like Shook had the advantage coming from the legendary Sports Performance Setter Factory. |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 31, 2017 8:09:26 GMT -5
I tried to make that clear by saying “And it’s not an indictment on their abilities, it just looks like they have their capabilities watered down so badly they have trouble making an impact.” yeah I reread it, and, just curious,could you explain what capabilities you see being water down? I don’t understand why Texas didn’t allow Shook to jumpset. |
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Post by nakedcrayon on Dec 31, 2017 9:55:43 GMT -5
yeah I reread it, and, just curious,could you explain what capabilities you see being water down? I don’t understand why Texas didn’t allow Shook to jumpset. Jump setting a high ball to the pins doesn't do that much compared to jump setting a quicker attack. Being on the floor makes more sense in their system. That said many people on VT wonder why that is their system with the athletes they have |
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Dec 31, 2017 10:09:26 GMT -5
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Post by Heisenberg on Dec 31, 2017 10:09:26 GMT -5
I don’t understand why Texas didn’t allow Shook to jumpset. Jump setting a high ball to the pins doesn't do that much compared to jump setting a quicker attack. Being on the floor makes more sense in their system. That said many people on VT wonder why that is their system with the athletes they have Why does being on the floor make more sense? |
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Dec 31, 2017 12:25:34 GMT -5
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Dec 31, 2017 12:25:34 GMT -5
I don’t understand why Texas didn’t allow Shook to jumpset. Jump setting a high ball to the pins doesn't do that much compared to jump setting a quicker attack. Being on the floor makes more sense in their system. That said many people on VT wonder why that is their system with the athletes they have this is honestly why I think Shook struggled this year. She never set a high ball system before. Everything was with tempo. She could’ve struggled setting the high ball offense because it was completely new to her. If TX could speed up their offense, it would be better for Shook, the attackers, and the team. |
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Post by superfan1 on Dec 31, 2017 15:11:53 GMT -5
Jump setting a high ball to the pins doesn't do that much compared to jump setting a quicker attack. Being on the floor makes more sense in their system. That said many people on VT wonder why that is their system with the athletes they have this is honestly why I think Shook struggled this year. She never set a high ball system before. Everything was with tempo. She could’ve struggled setting the high ball offense because it was completely new to her. If TX could speed up their offense, it would be better for Shook, the attackers, and the team. This won't happen though until Texas coaching starts emphasizing backrow strength. I'm also not 100% convinced that the current crop of UT hitters would thrive in a faster offense. Not all hitters like a quicker tempo. |
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