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Post by jasonr on Jan 10, 2018 13:49:33 GMT -5
Has He met the team yet? Has He kept the incoming class? Yes, he has been reaching out to the current athletes for sure. I would imagine he has also been in contact with the incoming recruits. The ones that signed their NLIs are coming regardless. But locking down the juniors will b really important. Who's in the junior class? Fitzner?
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Post by Fight On! on Jan 10, 2018 13:56:02 GMT -5
Yes, he has been reaching out to the current athletes for sure. I would imagine he has also been in contact with the incoming recruits. The ones that signed their NLIs are coming regardless. But locking down the juniors will b really important. Who's in the junior class? Fitzner? Updated commitment list All listed on Rich Kern2018: 5’11” S - Ashley Humphreys (Laguna Beach) 6’0” OH - Siena Secrist (Tstreet) 6’1” OH - Brooklyn Schirmer (Mizuno Long Beach) 6'4" MB - Abby Hansen (Aspire) 2019: 5’7” DS/L - Torey Baum (OVA / TBVA) 6’1” S - Emily Fitzner (Coast) 6'3" MB - Madison Horin (1st Alliance / Lions Jrs) 6'2" OH - Kalen Owes (AZ East Valley Jrs) Gabby McCaa, MB, is a 2019 Gabby Brown, L, 2018
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 10, 2018 13:58:03 GMT -5
Yes, he has been reaching out to the current athletes for sure. I would imagine he has also been in contact with the incoming recruits. The ones that signed their NLIs are coming regardless. But locking down the juniors will b really important. Who's in the junior class? Fitzner? Fitzner, Horin, Gabby McCaa, Kalen Owes, Peyton Wilhite, plus some sand-only who are really good indoors. It's a great class.
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Post by Word on Jan 10, 2018 14:07:35 GMT -5
While this isn't a huge splash of a hire, I don't think its a bad hire by any means. Crouch has a great reputation in the coaching community and seems generally well liked by those around him. Tat personality with USC reputation will recruit itself. Yes we need to see if he can coach, but I would give him the benefit of the doubt to start. I would be surprised if he blows this, seems like a smart guy who knows what to do.
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Post by jcvball22 on Jan 10, 2018 14:43:29 GMT -5
While this isn't a huge splash of a hire, I don't think its a bad hire by any means. Crouch has a great reputation in the coaching community and seems generally well liked by those around him. Tat personality with USC reputation will recruit itself. Yes we need to see if he can coach, but I would give him the benefit of the doubt to start. I would be surprised if he blows this, seems like a smart guy who knows what to do. it would be good idea to hire at least one staff member who played at the school. I actually don't in any way think that is important. More important: 1. Someone with strong ties to the area who can bring ties to the strong local clubs for recruiting purposes. And if that person can bring strong connections to the top clubs at a National level, that would be a huge bonus. 2. As he said, he is a philosophy guy, he will need to find a strong technical person (or people)
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Post by jcvball22 on Jan 10, 2018 14:52:34 GMT -5
I actually don't in any way think that is important. More important: 1. Someone with strong ties to the area who can bring ties to the strong local clubs for recruiting purposes. And if that person can bring strong connections to the top clubs at a National level, that would be a huge bonus. 2. As he said, he is a philosophy guy, he will need to find a strong technical person (or people) This program does not need a rebuild..............................if he thinks it does he will be a failure at the school. I don't think it's a rebuild. I think it is about knowing where your personal deficiencies are and making sure you have a balanced staff that covers those things.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2018 15:29:05 GMT -5
This program does not need a rebuild..............................if he thinks it does he will be a failure at the school. I don't think it's a rebuild. I think it is about knowing where your personal deficiencies are and making sure you have a balanced staff that covers those things. I think that the problem is that his expertise is so limited (is being a philosopher an expertise?). I don't buy that he's going to be able to compete with other coaches in establishing ties with clubs or in recruiting. He's too soft-spoken, not enough cache and not enough accomplishments. So, he's going to have to bring in a high level recruiting assistant and a high level trainer, at a school that was too cheap to hire a better coach.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 10, 2018 15:35:15 GMT -5
I don't think it's a rebuild. I think it is about knowing where your personal deficiencies are and making sure you have a balanced staff that covers those things. I think that the problem is that his expertise is so limited (is being a philosopher an expertise?). I don't buy that he's going to be able to compete with other coaches in establishing ties with clubs or in recruiting. He's too soft-spoken, not enough cache and not enough accomplishments. So, he's going to have to bring in a high level recruiting assistant and a high level trainer, at a school that was too cheap to hire a better coach. What makes you think he doesn't know how to train? He beat BYU and San Diego with a bunch of kids who went 0-28 and a "stud" OH who couldn't get into the front row at Oregon St. He'll need to find an energetic assistant who can sell USC's reputation, facilities, academics, and tradition to potential recruits. That's not exactly unicorn territory; I don't think it'll be all that difficult to find.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2018 15:41:56 GMT -5
I think that the problem is that his expertise is so limited (is being a philosopher an expertise?). I don't buy that he's going to be able to compete with other coaches in establishing ties with clubs or in recruiting. He's too soft-spoken, not enough cache and not enough accomplishments. So, he's going to have to bring in a high level recruiting assistant and a high level trainer, at a school that was too cheap to hire a better coach. What makes you think he doesn't know how to train? He beat BYU and San Diego with a bunch of kids who went 0-28 and a "stud" OH who couldn't get into the front row at Oregon St. Cherry picking. How'd he do the next year? Who is the best player he's trained for an entire season? I don't know the answer, but I'm prepared to not be impressed. And, his lack of training/technical ability was also the premise of the comment I was responding to.
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Post by jcvball22 on Jan 10, 2018 15:55:11 GMT -5
What makes you think he doesn't know how to train? He beat BYU and San Diego with a bunch of kids who went 0-28 and a "stud" OH who couldn't get into the front row at Oregon St. Cherry picking. How'd he do the next year? Who is the best player he's trained for an entire season? I don't know the answer, but I'm prepared to not be impressed. And, his lack of training/technical ability was also the premise of the comment I was responding to. Well, you cherry-picked only part of the response. Read my earlier post. I said it will be important for him to bring on staff that complement him in their abilities (recruiting, technical training), so that they have all their bases covered as a staff. That was in response to bigfan's concerns about having a USC grad on staff (which I don't think is important).
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 10, 2018 15:59:17 GMT -5
What makes you think he doesn't know how to train? He beat BYU and San Diego with a bunch of kids who went 0-28 and a "stud" OH who couldn't get into the front row at Oregon St. Cherry picking. How'd he do the next year? Who is the best player he's trained for an entire season? I don't know the answer, but I'm prepared to not be impressed. And, his lack of training/technical ability was also the premise of the comment I was responding to. Hannah Troutman. And you should be impressed.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2018 15:59:58 GMT -5
Cherry picking. How'd he do the next year? Who is the best player he's trained for an entire season? I don't know the answer, but I'm prepared to not be impressed. And, his lack of training/technical ability was also the premise of the comment I was responding to. Well, you cherry-picked only part of the response. Read my earlier post. I said it will be important for him to bring on staff that complement him in their abilities (recruiting, technical training), so that they have all their bases covered as a staff. That was in response to bigfan's concerns about having a USC grad on staff (which I don't think is important). This may be nit-picking, but I don't think I cherry-picked your response (or that portion of your response). It was the launching point for my assessment, which I fully intended to stand alone from any comments you made.
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Post by jcvball22 on Jan 10, 2018 16:05:11 GMT -5
That was in response to bigfan's concerns about having a USC grad on staff (which I don't think is important). Will he be allowed to pick his staff and DOO? Yes.
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Post by Fight On! on Jan 10, 2018 16:28:48 GMT -5
I don't think it's a rebuild. I think it is about knowing where your personal deficiencies are and making sure you have a balanced staff that covers those things. I think that the problem is that his expertise is so limited (is being a philosopher an expertise?). I don't buy that he's going to be able to compete with other coaches in establishing ties with clubs or in recruiting. He's too soft-spoken, not enough cache and not enough accomplishments. So, he's going to have to bring in a high level recruiting assistant and a high level trainer, at a school that was too cheap to hire a better coach. You make it sound like he has been sitting in an armchair, smoking a pipe and philosophizing over the past 12 years, when instead he was a D1 head coach, D1 AC, and juniors club coach. He is too soft spoken? What does that even mean? You don’t like the hire. We get it. But your points should be based in reality, not just made up.
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Post by hammer on Jan 10, 2018 16:31:14 GMT -5
This program does not need a rebuild..............................if he thinks it does he will be a failure at the school. I first heard of Crouch in an article a couple of years ago about the turnaround at Portland. One of the key points was that he told all the returning players from an 0-27 team that they would all be an integral part of the turnaround. He wasn't going the route of some of the hires the last few years of pushing players out and reneging on the previous coaches commitments. If he didn't clean house at Portland, I'm pretty sure he doesn't plan on immediate and sweeping changes to his roster at USC and he is smart enough to make the current players and recruits an integral part of the teams plan over the next few years. The cupboard is far from bare, and he knows it. Mick isn't gone for performance. He is gone because he was considered a PITA, and it was too much risk to extend his contract until he was 80. So in your opinion he will set up an inclusive warm environment for transfers?
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