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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 1, 2018 12:30:24 GMT -5
Stupidity at the highest level.
Administration couldn't have made themselves look any more ridiculous with the following comment. "We're looking to go in another direction."
1. Curts won a state championship, first one since 2007.
2. Won conference in one of the best conferences in the state.
3. Started a feeder program in the New Castle area.
Clearly someone had an axe to grind. Whatever fool takes the job will have a difficult time leading this program in a direction that everyone is happy with.
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 1, 2018 12:30:52 GMT -5
I don't know what happened when he "went to bat" for his student with the professor. That sounds a little too aggressive, but hard to believe that was the main cause of the firing. A college professor would probably have responded to a HS coach differently than to a college coach - at least I would have been more forgiving.
Sounds to me like some posts on social media outraged some important people and put the HS in a bad PR light. The rest was just added on to add to the legitimacy of the firing, as annoyances the school board had to deal with recently.
Maybe the coach refused to take responsibility for the social media problems. He may not see that as his bailiwick, and the HS wants someone who does.
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Post by Cruz'n on Feb 1, 2018 12:55:15 GMT -5
Stupidity at the highest level. Administration couldn't have made themselves look any more ridiculous with the following comment. "We're looking to go in another direction." 1. Curts won a state championship, first one since 2007. 2. Won conference in one of the best conferences in the state. 3. Started a feeder program in the New Castle area. Clearly someone had an axe to grind. Whatever fool takes the job will have a difficult time leading this program in a direction that everyone is happy with. Yeah, I get so tired of "we're looking to go in a new direction." Especially in this case, where the current direction is winning state championships. Do they really want to veer from that path, and have some losing seasons for awhile? "No comment" isn't the greatest either; but at least it is a much more honest than "...going in a new direction." |
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Post by d3coach on Feb 1, 2018 13:02:18 GMT -5
As to the professor thing...I don't know what the communication was. I do know that sometimes if a student is having problems in a class in HS, the teacher will go to the coach and say something, especially if they are a discipline issue, and we accept that as being ok. Of course, this was a college class and not a discipline issue, but as a coach, one cares about their players on and off the court. It is not grounds for firing a coach. If a teacher asked the coach about playing time (as posed earlier in this thread), the teacher should not be fired. My question was how a coach would react to a teacher suggesting how a girl should be played, not whether the teacher should be fired. I find it ironic that while girls are told from the youngest ages of club that coaches only want to hear from the player and not their parents, and that players have to learn to speak for themselves and represent themselves, that so many coaches feel it is perfectly appropriate to assume the parent role and intervene on behalf of a student with a teacher or to check up on their academic progress. Someone please explain that to me. Coaches check up on student-athlete’s academic progress because: 1) they can be fired for poor academic performance 2) they can receive bonuses for good academic performance 3) the academic performance of SA’s can impact their ability to participate in athletics 4) many coaches want to see holistic development rather than just athletic skills 5) they aren’t trying to influence teachers, just get more well rounded perspective on SA 6) teachers, coaches, etc... are supposed to be on the same side since we are all employed by the same school (except in this specific instance) whose #1 job is to develop SA academically and career wise My question is why wouldn’t coaches and teachers communicate? The answers being ego and corruption to the point where communication seems “improper” because it would only be done to influence a grade and not help the student. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 13:04:06 GMT -5
High school coaching is a thankless job. Even if you are good at it -- and lots of people aren't. Fact is, people like to treat other people like they work for them. See waitresses, public employees, VT moderators ...
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Post by boh on Feb 1, 2018 13:08:54 GMT -5
Stupidity at the highest level. Administration couldn't have made themselves look any more ridiculous with the following comment. "We're looking to go in another direction." 1. Curts won a state championship, first one since 2007. 2. Won conference in one of the best conferences in the state. 3. Started a feeder program in the New Castle area. Clearly someone had an axe to grind. Whatever fool takes the job will have a difficult time leading this program in a direction that everyone is happy with. Or alternatively, the success made him feel untouchable and he started taking liberties. I absolutely do not know this particular situation and do not know where the truth lies. I do know that firings like this always cause outrage, but that the administrators are not always simply being petty and vindictive. Sometimes their actions are justified and for the benefit of all the reasons are soft pedaled. I don't think we have nearly enough info in just those articles to know where the truth lies. Does anybody know specifically what the issue was with social media? This x1000, especially in a high school setting. The job of a HS coach is much more about getting these kids ready for the real world, especially in a world where teachers are less and less able to do it for the students because their hands are tied in most situations. I would never say anything definitive about a situation with a HS coach unless you know the whole situation. I have gone to fellow teachers many times about my athlete's, not because I don't want them to do it themselves, usually I have already asked them to...it is to double check with the teacher that the athlete is following through with what they should be doing, and if they are not I can call them out on it. Club ball kids can do pretty much whatever they want outside the gym, not so much for HS and I take full advantage of that. I have sat kids for being disrespectful, not managing time, etc. All of these things are much more important than winning a state title, conference, feeder program or any other team achievement. All of high school whether it is classroom or extracurricular is about making a child an eventual productive member of society. |
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Post by jcvb on Feb 1, 2018 13:14:37 GMT -5
I feel like LaVar Ball must have a daughter we don't know about and she plays for this high school.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 13:49:12 GMT -5
Sisters plural? Is Minnesota recruiting little sis?
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Post by rainbowbadger on Feb 1, 2018 14:01:06 GMT -5
Word is that everyone is recruiting Shaff the Younger.
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Post by Freeman on Feb 1, 2018 14:09:16 GMT -5
I feel like LaVar Ball must have a daughter we don't know about and she plays for this high school. I fear you are a lot more accurate with this than you intended to be. Different name, no shoe brand, but could be a similar story. |
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 1, 2018 14:16:06 GMT -5
I feel like LaVar Ball must have a daughter we don't know about and she plays for this high school. I fear you are a lot more accurate with this than you intended to be. Different name, no shoe brand, but could be a similar story. So do you think the coach got shaffted? |
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Post by dizzydean on Feb 1, 2018 14:20:17 GMT -5
From what I heard (second, third, fourth hand) the coach doesn't have much control over his players and program, and that was a big issue for the school.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 1, 2018 14:29:13 GMT -5
No doubt coaching high school (or in some cases coaching period) is difficult. Give the players too much freedom and you get walked on. Have too many rules you're hated by the players and get axed. You want a good job, you better figure out how good your AD is and what side of the fence they're on.
PS. You think teams on their schedule are emailing the AD to repossess their missing volleyballs?
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Post by BuckysHeat on Feb 1, 2018 14:33:55 GMT -5
Word is that everyone is recruiting Shaff the Younger. That sounds medieval, give that girl an axe! |
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 1, 2018 14:38:03 GMT -5
Sounds to me like some posts on social media outraged some important people and put the HS in a bad PR light. The rest was just added on to add to the legitimacy of the firing, as annoyances the school board had to deal with recently. That's roughly my guess too. Something he did (or at least was blamed for) really pissed off somebody with power in the school board, and everything else is just a laundry list of justifications for firing him. |
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