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Post by americasgame on Jan 31, 2018 22:23:40 GMT -5
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Post by vbman100 on Jan 31, 2018 22:36:13 GMT -5
Ridiculous. Just ridiculous.
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Post by americasgame on Jan 31, 2018 22:39:18 GMT -5
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Post by somethinbruin on Jan 31, 2018 23:36:27 GMT -5
I know absolutely nothing about this coach or the situation other than what was in the article plus the fact they have two extremely high profile frosh and soph sisters. That said, I'm curious what the coaches think about contacting a professor? Isn't it way out of line to intervene on behalf of a student? The article said "college" and "professor" so I'm assuming the girl is taking a class at a local college? Coaches, how would you take it if a players English teacher came to talk to you about a girls playing time? Stealing volleyballs is odd, and even odder that he seemed to know they were doing it multiple times. Were they taking them as trophy's? Did he ever do anything about it? Apologize? Return the balls? Or was he supportive and view it as a prank? Can't comment on social media issues unless somebody knows what happened. Based just on the first two, they raise some red flags. I'm curious whether the school did this in conjunction with their two star players and their parents, or despite them. I made the same assumption--that the student was taking a college class for some HS credit. But it strikes me as a weird thing for a HS coach to intervene in. (Conjecture: Maybe he was concerned about the student maintaining eligibility. That's the only reason I can think of for an e-mail). Regardless, a coach e-mailing a prof is out of bounds. As a college instructor, I cannot discuss a student's progress with a third party; it's a violation of federal education privacy laws. Most often we see this with parents trying to e-mail us about their son or daughter's grades. The more laid back among me and my colleagues just dismiss these things with a quick "Can't discuss due to FERPA" response, but e-mails from parents/third parties really annoys some profs. Second, at the schools where I've taught, direct communication between coaches and faculty isn't direct, mostly to prevent NCAA violations. If I have to talk to the athletic department about an athlete's progress, I go to the academic-athletic liaison. Coaches do likewise when they want progress reports on their athletes. Granted, not all schools are large enough to have a designated liaison, but most still have measures in place to keep coaches and faculty separate. Stealing volleyballs from other schools is super weird, and if I had found out any of my athletes had been doing it I would be angry with them. So yeah, there was some weird stuff in that article. Not sure what to make of pretty much any of it. |
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 1, 2018 1:09:49 GMT -5
When I was a grad student a few years ago and teaching classes, I had a variety of student-athletes in my class. One in particular was a football player. He wasn't doing so well. His grades were in the "D" range and approaching "F." Someone in the athletic department emailed me on his behalf. There was no pressure at all to change this football player's grade. In fact, this liaison was very professional. He just wondered what it would take to get a passing "D" so that the football player could maintain academic eligibility. I told him him the steps and that I would not simply "change" this football player's grade to a "D." The liaison said he understood. The football player eventually got an "F" and the athletic department didn't contact me.
I've also had students plagiarize. I reported them to the appropriate disciplinary body. Fellow grad students and professors encountered these types of inappropriate academic behavior all the time. At no time were any of the coaches involved in the process. Even during orientation, I was told that if I suspected any inappropriate behavior by the coaches, report them immediately, first to the department head, and second, to the disciplinary body. I think my school was very conscious about doing all the right things.
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Post by somethinbruin on Feb 1, 2018 2:00:22 GMT -5
When I was a grad student a few years ago and teaching classes, I had a variety of student-athletes in my class. One in particular was a football player. He wasn't doing so well. His grades were in the "D" range and approaching "F." Someone in the athletic department emailed me on his behalf. There was no pressure at all to change this football player's grade. In fact, this liaison was very professional. He just wondered what it would take to get a passing "D" so that the football player could maintain academic eligibility. I told him him the steps and that I would not simply "change" this football player's grade to a "D." The liaison said he understood. The football player eventually got an "F" and the athletic department didn't contact me. I've also had students plagiarize. I reported them to the appropriate disciplinary body. Fellow grad students and professors encountered these types of inappropriate academic behavior all the time. At no time were any of the coaches involved in the process. Even during orientation, I was told that if I suspected any inappropriate behavior by the coaches, report them immediately, first to the department head, and second, to the disciplinary body. I think my school was very conscious about doing all the right things. Same here. All contact goes through the liaisons, and it's all pretty much what you describe. They're very clear about what information they want because the last thing they want to do is look like they're angling for a better grade, which might jeopardize the student athlete's eligibility. Usually they're either checking attendance/participation or they're inquiring as to what the student needs to do to improve a grade. These liaisons are the same folks who send out the standard student-athlete progress reports that we do once or twice a semester. They're generally good eggs because they know that their jobs depend on toeing the line for the NCAA and keeping everybody else out of these kinds of situations. |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Feb 1, 2018 6:46:14 GMT -5
Do HS coaches have the same ban about talking to HS teachers? I don’t think so, not at most schools. So maaaaaaaybe he didn’t know that he’d crossed a line there emailing a college professor?
I’m curious about this: “there were some social media issues that happened through the season that I was aware of and didn't have control over."
Sure, a coach can’t control what their players post, but they can monitor it, and there can be consequences for inappropriate social media behavior.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Feb 1, 2018 6:46:42 GMT -5
So in sum? I think there is more going on here.
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Post by d3coach on Feb 1, 2018 7:24:08 GMT -5
I know absolutely nothing about this coach or the situation other than what was in the article plus the fact they have two extremely high profile frosh and soph sisters. That said, I'm curious what the coaches think about contacting a professor? Isn't it way out of line to intervene on behalf of a student? The article said "college" and "professor" so I'm assuming the girl is taking a class at a local college? Coaches, how would you take it if a players English teacher came to talk to you about a girls playing time? Stealing volleyballs is odd, and even odder that he seemed to know they were doing it multiple times. Were they taking them as trophy's? Did he ever do anything about it? Apologize? Return the balls? Or was he supportive and view it as a prank? Can't comment on social media issues unless somebody knows what happened. Based just on the first two, they raise some red flags. I'm curious whether the school did this in conjunction with their two star players and their parents, or despite them. I made the same assumption--that the student was taking a college class for some HS credit. But it strikes me as a weird thing for a HS coach to intervene in. (Conjecture: Maybe he was concerned about the student maintaining eligibility. That's the only reason I can think of for an e-mail). Regardless, a coach e-mailing a prof is out of bounds. As a college instructor, I cannot discuss a student's progress with a third party; it's a violation of federal education privacy laws. Most often we see this with parents trying to e-mail us about their son or daughter's grades. The more laid back among me and my colleagues just dismiss these things with a quick "Can't discuss due to FERPA" response, but e-mails from parents/third parties really annoys some profs. Second, at the schools where I've taught, direct communication between coaches and faculty isn't direct, mostly to prevent NCAA violations. If I have to talk to the athletic department about an athlete's progress, I go to the academic-athletic liaison. Coaches do likewise when they want progress reports on their athletes. Granted, not all schools are large enough to have a designated liaison, but most still have measures in place to keep coaches and faculty separate. Stealing volleyballs from other schools is super weird, and if I had found out any of my athletes had been doing it I would be angry with them. So yeah, there was some weird stuff in that article. Not sure what to make of pretty much any of it. I think coach-professor communication is going to be school specific. I worked at a smaller d3 school, where coaches routinely had contact with professors (not necessarily a lot, but regular). I’m sure some professors didn’t like it but they tend to be the ones who dislike a lot of things... regardless most were very helpful. Many coaches also used regular progress reports that professors had to sign or write notes on. The conversations typically focused on clarifying progress reports, understanding why the student was struggling (absences, not paying attention, lack of turning in assignments, etc...) so that the coach could address the issue specifically with the player. FERPA allows anyone with a legitimate educational interest in a student to receive information, so there’s a little latitude there. |
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Post by floorcarpenter on Feb 1, 2018 8:56:13 GMT -5
So a good game coach that can’t teach character. Sounds like a good move to me.
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Post by vbman100 on Feb 1, 2018 9:42:29 GMT -5
I know Matt a little bit, just from club tourneys and that he was involved heavily in coordinating State All-Star games, and I think he was the contact for Volleyball through the Indiana Coaches of Girls Sports Association (ICGSA). He has been coaching in Indiana at the high school and club level for a while.
He has not had any issues in the past at his other stops, that I know of. For this to happen now seems very weird. I think the school board saw social media problems and think it is the whole world criticizing New Castle volleyball. No one cares outside of that little circle of land in that part of the state. I am tired of seeing people lose their job over social media and school boards who are too dumb to know what their job is.
As to the professor thing...I don't know what the communication was. I do know that sometimes if a student is having problems in a class in HS, the teacher will go to the coach and say something, especially if they are a discipline issue, and we accept that as being ok. Of course, this was a college class and not a discipline issue, but as a coach, one cares about their players on and off the court. It is not grounds for firing a coach. If a teacher asked the coach about playing time (as posed earlier in this thread), the teacher should not be fired.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 1, 2018 10:06:21 GMT -5
Do HS coaches have the same ban about talking to HS teachers? I don’t think so, not at most schools. In a lot of cases, the HS coach *is* a teacher at the same HS. |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Feb 1, 2018 10:07:45 GMT -5
Do HS coaches have the same ban about talking to HS teachers? I don’t think so, not at most schools. In a lot of cases, the HS coach *is* a teacher at the same HS. Good point. |
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Post by Word on Feb 1, 2018 11:55:30 GMT -5
Administration should work with the coach to help mentor him and give him warnings to be better the following year. Seems like a rash firing over a bunch of little things. Were the players and parents happy? If so, this is ridiculous if those are the reasons.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 1, 2018 12:12:24 GMT -5
What is really going on here?
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