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Post by bigfan on Feb 1, 2018 14:50:28 GMT -5
So do you think the coach got shaffted? The coach sure was not shown LOVE. |
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Post by bigfan on Feb 1, 2018 14:51:41 GMT -5
From what I heard (second, third, fourth hand) the coach doesn't have much control over his players and program, and that was a big issue for the school. Out of control situation bound to get the attention of somebody. |
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Post by redcard🏐 on Feb 1, 2018 15:01:08 GMT -5
I feel like LaVar Ball must have a daughter we don't know about and she plays for this high school. I fear you are a lot more accurate with this than you intended to be. Different name, no shoe brand, but could be a similar story. I think the hiring of the next coach will answer some questions. New Castle is in the heart of central Indiana volleyball and some very large vb egos. The door at NC hasn’t been exactly revolving but certainly unstable over the past decade. |
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Post by eazy on Feb 1, 2018 15:02:16 GMT -5
From what I heard (second, third, fourth hand) the coach doesn't have much control over his players and program, and that was a big issue for the school. While this could very well be the case, I don't think that even hearing it from the school board first hand would make it true. I know someone who was having successful seasons coaching at a high school that ended up resigning because of differences with the school board. The coach encouraged players to stand up for what they believed in (female athletes were treated as second-class citizens compared to male athletes) and this was viewed by the school as the coach not having control over the team because they wouldn't sit down and shut up like the school wanted. |
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Post by Freeman on Feb 1, 2018 15:15:15 GMT -5
I fear you are a lot more accurate with this than you intended to be. Different name, no shoe brand, but could be a similar story. I think the hiring of the next coach will answer some questions. New Castle is in the heart of central Indiana volleyball and some very large vb egos. The door at NC hasn’t been exactly revolving but certainly unstable over the past decade. I’d wonder what your definition of revolving is if 6 HC’s in a decade doesn’t make the cut. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 15:22:13 GMT -5
This is escalating. Slowly.
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Post by redcard🏐 on Feb 1, 2018 16:11:40 GMT -5
I think the hiring of the next coach will answer some questions. New Castle is in the heart of central Indiana volleyball and some very large vb egos. The door at NC hasn’t been exactly revolving but certainly unstable over the past decade. I’d wonder what your definition of revolving is if 6 HC’s in a decade doesn’t make the cut. Gosh, I didn’t realize it had been 6 already. I thought it was like 3. I’d certainly say 6 = revolving. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 16:29:03 GMT -5
Coaching high school volleyball is a crap gig. Hats off to those who do it -- and especially those who do it well.
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Post by d3coach on Feb 1, 2018 20:53:20 GMT -5
Coaches check up on student-athlete’s academic progress because: 1) they can be fired for poor academic performance 2) they can receive bonuses for good academic performance 3) the academic performance of SA’s can impact their ability to participate in athletics 4) many coaches want to see holistic development rather than just athletic skills 5) they aren’t trying to influence teachers, just get more well rounded perspective on SA 6) teachers, coaches, etc... are supposed to be on the same side since we are all employed by the same school (except in this specific instance) whose #1 job is to develop SA academically and career wise My question is why wouldn’t coaches and teachers communicate? The answers being ego and corruption to the point where communication seems “improper” because it would only be done to influence a grade and not help the student. You completely missed the point of the question. Did I? Or are you misperceiving the interaction? The coach isn't stepping on toes and acting as a parent. They are acting as an educator, who is an employee of an educational institution. Their role is not just producing winning teams, but also holding students accountable for academic performance. The coach also isn't operating in a vacuum, and isn't "speaking up" for the player. Coaches shouldn't advocate for players, which is what gets parents in trouble. If a parent came to a coach and said my kid deserves more playing time, they are acting as an advocate. If a parent came to a club or HS college (college would be less appropriate) and said is my daughter coming to practice everyday, working hard, and being an active leader -- and then just sitting back and listening? I think that's perfectly appropriate as long as it's done in the proper context. It shows that the parent wants to hold the player accountable, and is working with the coach to help the athlete achieve their best result. |
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Feb 1, 2018 23:13:30 GMT -5
Sounds to me like some posts on social media outraged some important people and put the HS in a bad PR light. The rest was just added on to add to the legitimacy of the firing, as annoyances the school board had to deal with recently. That's roughly my guess too. Something he did (or at least was blamed for) really pissed off somebody with power in the school board, and everything else is just a laundry list of justifications for firing him. That something he did must have been win a championship. The school board hates those things. |
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Post by sultanofswat on Feb 2, 2018 0:41:34 GMT -5
Did I? Or are you misperceiving the interaction? The coach isn't stepping on toes and acting as a parent. They are acting as an educator, who is an employee of an educational institution. Their role is not just producing winning teams, but also holding students accountable for academic performance. The coach also isn't operating in a vacuum, and isn't "speaking up" for the player.
Coaches shouldn't advocate for players, which is what gets parents in trouble.If a parent came to a coach and said my kid deserves more playing time, they are acting as an advocate. If a parent came to a club or HS college (college would be less appropriate) and said is my daughter coming to practice everyday, working hard, and being an active leader -- and then just sitting back and listening? I think that's perfectly appropriate as long as it's done in the proper context. It shows that the parent wants to hold the player accountable, and is working with the coach to help the athlete achieve their best result. He was literally quoted saying: I had a player that I went to bat for that was not doing well in a class" and that he was " Being an advocate for my player as a student. I guess I stepped on toes and was told that I lacked academic integrity". My question was how coaches would react to an english teacher going to bat for a student and advocating that they should get more playing time. Well...how much does the English teacher know about Volleyball...? |
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Post by gobruins on Feb 2, 2018 6:53:26 GMT -5
He was literally quoted saying: I had a player that I went to bat for that was not doing well in a class" and that he was " Being an advocate for my player as a student. I guess I stepped on toes and was told that I lacked academic integrity". My question was how coaches would react to an english teacher going to bat for a student and advocating that they should get more playing time. Well...how much does the English teacher know about Volleyball...? Probably about as much as the volleyball coach knows about English. |
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Post by d3coach on Feb 2, 2018 8:03:23 GMT -5
Did I? Or are you misperceiving the interaction? The coach isn't stepping on toes and acting as a parent. They are acting as an educator, who is an employee of an educational institution. Their role is not just producing winning teams, but also holding students accountable for academic performance. The coach also isn't operating in a vacuum, and isn't "speaking up" for the player.
Coaches shouldn't advocate for players, which is what gets parents in trouble.If a parent came to a coach and said my kid deserves more playing time, they are acting as an advocate. If a parent came to a club or HS college (college would be less appropriate) and said is my daughter coming to practice everyday, working hard, and being an active leader -- and then just sitting back and listening? I think that's perfectly appropriate as long as it's done in the proper context. It shows that the parent wants to hold the player accountable, and is working with the coach to help the athlete achieve their best result. He was literally quoted saying: I had a player that I went to bat for that was not doing well in a class" and that he was " Being an advocate for my player as a student. I guess I stepped on toes and was told that I lacked academic integrity". My question was how coaches would react to an english teacher going to bat for a student and advocating that they should get more playing time. That’s fair, but your original comments came across much more general than this specific situation. |
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Post by boh on Feb 2, 2018 9:36:31 GMT -5
Well...how much does the English teacher know about Volleyball...? Probably about as much as the volleyball coach knows about English. I know the difference between would of and would have. |
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Post by ned3vball on Feb 2, 2018 14:02:11 GMT -5
Well...how much does the English teacher know about Volleyball...? For arguments sake, lets assume a date took the english teacher to see Sideout in college and she hated it, thought the VB scene in Top Gun was much better, and still thinks that Cast Away is the best volleyball movie ever made. Channel surfing the other night and caught the scene in Cast Away where Wilson floats off . . . . one of the 10 saddest moments in the history of cinema! |
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