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Post by bigjohn043 on Feb 5, 2018 12:47:43 GMT -5
I can't speak to volleyball, but I used to coach 10-12 year old boys in Little League.
Every year eventually one kid would start picking on another one.
When it happened, I would immediately stop the practice and get the kids together. Without pointing fingers I would let everyone know that this kind of behavior is unacceptable. Not only are we not going to put people down but we are going to root for and encourage our team mates. Period. Full Stop. Any Questions?
It generally only took once. The truth is that it is more fun to play on a team that pulls together. Once the kids start pulling for each other they have fun with it.
I am not a helicopter parent at all. But I do think you can teach leadership and how to be a good team mate. Maybe my kids had petty jealousies underneath but outwardly they rooted for one another. We always got feedback from the parents that the kids really had fun playing for us. That is the ultimate goal.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 5, 2018 16:51:50 GMT -5
I know competition in sports is normal as girls jockey for position. As adults what can be done to minimize some of the "petty jealousies" (per the article linked) that arise within the ranks of our girls' sport? My own theory is that in the creation of a scapegoat the players themselves shirk the responsibilities of their own errors and have someone else to blame. That's why video is so great! I wish more coaches would pursue watching video after game play to help players understand their own playing issues and work on improvement. Anyway here is the link. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the topic. www.competitivedge.com/petty-jealousies-sportThat article has many ideas in it already. A key for any team is respecting one's teammates, and players should strive to make both themselves and their teammates better. It is important for a coach to point out desirable behavior as well as undesirable behavior--not just in terms of physical performance but also in terms of interacting with teammates. As you point out, video can be helpful. I really like this (MBB) example about going over bad body language toward teammates: Great video! I don't think individual players recognize the cancer that is bad body language. I believe that the use of video is great for many things including this kind of negative personal communication. It makes the offender more aware of what they look like and what message they convey far better than having a little chat with them or having a team spread negativity even further by bad mouthing that player.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 5, 2018 18:56:32 GMT -5
It used to be that if you failed to start, you either accepted that you weren't good enough or tried harder. Now, in an age of entitlement and instantaneous social media, and you think someone else is blocking your sun, you cut the b-e-a-t-c-h off at the knees...
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Post by slackerdad on Feb 5, 2018 21:41:16 GMT -5
In my early 20s I worked at a clothing store, mostly with highschool and college age females. Working with them every day taught me that generally speaking, girls can be vicious in their relationships with each other. It never STOPS at any AGE. It baffles me how most women I know remain friends with other women that they complain about constantly. If I know the other female, they usually try hard to influence my opinion of her. Louis CK said it best (Warning: Language probably NSFW):
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 5, 2018 23:20:19 GMT -5
It baffles me how most women I know remain friends with other women that they complain about constantly. If I know the other female, they usually try hard to influence my opinion of her. Louis CK said it best (Warning: Language probably NSFW): Interesting move to break out the Louis CK opinion on a womens volleyball board in wake of #metoo, Butler and Nassar. Louis C.K. Full Statement Well just because he's a creep doesn't make his opinion less true or what he says not funny.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Feb 5, 2018 23:24:34 GMT -5
Girls aren't born like this. They learn it from somewhere. And it's on the adults around them to break the cycle and teach them better.
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 5, 2018 23:34:52 GMT -5
Girls aren't born like this. They learn it from somewhere. And it's on the adults around them to break the cycle and teach them better. Indeed, parents should of course be the ones setting the example of appropriate behaviour. But these days, they often are the ones in the doghouse, I mean, "hockey parents", need I say more?
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 5, 2018 23:43:50 GMT -5
Well just because he's a creep doesn't make his opinion less true or what he says not funny. Actually, in retrospect, it absolutely does make his opinion suspect and not funny. Try picturing him coercing young women to watch him masturbate while you watch the video again. The rumor mill was big about Louis CK for years and the big news months ago wasn't a shock and surprise to many of his fans. In a very politically incorrect move I stick with my point with the addition of my personal feelings about the guy. He's gross and obviously warped and obviously the women that have been affected by his actions have my empathy because well, EW. However I'm all about not throwing the baby out with the bath water and the fact that he's a creep doesn't negate his comedic gift. In fact he may be so spot on because as with most people who are gifted he is warped as hell. He is still a heck of a comedian and a story teller. On the continuum of good vs evil he's definitely fallen into the not so good state. But then again we are all, every single one of us, on that same continuum. Louis CK is also the same guy who, in a stand up routine in the mid 2000's called his 4 year old daughter an @$$%*!*. Why anyone was surprised at the revelations unearthed a few months ago I'll never know.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 6, 2018 0:54:47 GMT -5
Literally every thread has to end up at Rick Butler. Why oh why. The ad hominem stance is exhausting. Louis CK is funny and a comedic genius, just because he's kind of a %*$# human being doesn't make him less funny. For that matter most comedic geniuses have serious flaws from the aforementioned Bill Cosby to Robin Williams (RIP) to John Belushi and back to Chris Farley and back around to Phil Hartman. All slightly disturbed and all with skeletons rattling around in their closets. We can still enjoy something while perhaps not in agreement with the source. If you discount everyone for their sins then you will be left with very little to enjoy, be entertained by and to have relationships with. Hell it is known that the ideal of Gandhi as we know, a fighter for rights and desegregation was in fact a lot more complicated than what is commonly believed. "In one of his first campaigns as an activist Gandhi was adamant that “respectable Indians” should not be obliged to use the same facilities as “raw Kaffirs”. He petitioned the authorities in the port city of Durban, where he practised law, to end the indignity of making Indians use the same entrance to the post office as blacks, and counted it a victory when three doors were introduced: one for Europeans, one for Asiatics and one for Natives." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/9840076/The-truth-about-Mahatma-Gandhi-he-was-a-wily-operator-not-Indias-smiling-saint.html
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Post by trainermch on Feb 6, 2018 1:07:30 GMT -5
But should we start a thread about men and their interpersonal skills, or lack thereof?
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Post by socal3 on Feb 6, 2018 1:10:08 GMT -5
It’s the parenting. The End.
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Post by saywhatnow on Feb 6, 2018 2:58:15 GMT -5
I’m trying to understand what you want here. Clearly you want people to engage but when they do and it takes a turn where you dont want it to go, you get pissy and post some nonsense about LCK being “kind of and a$$hole.” You bring up Gandhi and his transgressions as if normalizes any bad behavior. Seriously?!
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 6, 2018 3:13:14 GMT -5
But should we start a thread about men and their interpersonal skills, or lack thereof? Hehehe. Men aren't so touchy-feely. If a dispute gets bad enough between players without resolution, instead of endless catfights or a little b*tch slapping, we just have an exchange of fists that will settle the matter. P.S-I'm joking...of course.
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Post by trainermch on Feb 6, 2018 6:33:04 GMT -5
But should we start a thread about men and their interpersonal skills, or lack thereof? Hehehe. Men aren't so touchy-feely. If a dispute gets bad enough between players without resolution, instead of endless catfights or a little b*tch slapping, we just have an exchange of fists that will settle the matter. P.S-I'm joking...of course. I was too. Im too well aware of how women navigate through conflict... I only match the name of my picture, not the parts.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 6, 2018 6:51:46 GMT -5
Literally every thread has to end up at Rick Butler. Why oh why. The ad hominem stance is exhausting. Louis CK is funny and a comedic genius, just because he's kind of a %*$# human being doesn't make him less funny. For that matter most comedic geniuses have serious flaws from the aforementioned Bill Cosby to Robin Williams (RIP) to John Belushi and back to Chris Farley and back around to Phil Hartman. All slightly disturbed and all with skeletons rattling around in their closets. We can still enjoy something while perhaps not in agreement with the source. If you discount everyone for their sins then you will be left with very little to enjoy, be entertained by and to have relationships with. Hell it is known that the ideal of Gandhi as we know, a fighter for rights and desegregation was in fact a lot more complicated than what is commonly believed. "In one of his first campaigns as an activist Gandhi was adamant that “respectable Indians” should not be obliged to use the same facilities as “raw Kaffirs”. He petitioned the authorities in the port city of Durban, where he practised law, to end the indignity of making Indians use the same entrance to the post office as blacks, and counted it a victory when three doors were introduced: one for Europeans, one for Asiatics and one for Natives." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/9840076/The-truth-about-Mahatma-Gandhi-he-was-a-wily-operator-not-Indias-smiling-saint.htmlThis thread, your thread, was presumably about something else, yet here you are comparing Bill Cosby to Ghandi. You chose to interject and stand up to defend Louis CK using the same argument used to defend Butler for 30 years, and the same argument used by Nassar's lawyer, that we should excuse their abuse of power and assaults on women because they have a talent. That is how you got us back to Butler. Cosby and Louis CK used their positions of power and influence to subjugate and sexually assault women. First you compare that to Hartman being murdered by his wife, and drug and depression issues with other performers, then you compare them to Ghandi. I won't comment on this thread again. You are out to lunch. I was conversing about your complaint about Louis CK because another poster used a clip of his to illustrate a point. You want to create a diversion and then complain about it three posts later? Classic.
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