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Post by n00b on May 22, 2018 20:09:40 GMT -5
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Post by hoosierdraft on May 22, 2018 20:15:21 GMT -5
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Post by huskerjen on May 22, 2018 21:18:58 GMT -5
It's not lazy at all. His words, his intent. If someone misconstrues his message, that is on them and not him. It's just virtue-signalling b*ll%*$# and trying to imply racism where none was intended. If anyone really thought he was trying to use "chink" in a derogatory manner when it was clearly included in a colloquial phrase everyone has heard and predates the alternative, then they're outright stupid. And yes, political correctness is bunk. Somehow popular society has evolved from caring about ethical or moral correctness, i.e. things that matter, to playing "gotcha" word games. Meh, I'd suggest you brush up on your intent vs. impact knowledge. Intent is pretty much worthless when evaluating an action or discourse. If you accidentally punch someone, you don't not say sorry because you didn't mean to, did you? Just because he didn't "intend" to hurt anyone, doesn't mean others don't feel the consequences of his words. For the record, I don't think he intended to be hurtful either, but 1) I'm also not of asian descent, so that word is not going to be a trigger for me and 2) see above. You have no idea what anyone's background's are on this forum, and that fact that multiple people responded primarily in a defensive manner means you should humble yourself (and the OP) into reconsidering using that phrase (especially in the context of this thread), and adjusting your language. What is so hard about that? And your last paragraph is annoying. The only people who continuously use the term "political correctness" are conservatives who have coined it as negative, and use it as a shield to bolster their stubbornness in changing and evolving into a more caring and thoughtful global society. You obviously don't understand the power of language and microaggressions if you think they're just "'gotcha' word games." BTW my main issue with the original post was that it offered no analysis, content, or value to the thread. But I'm not particularly surprised. The power of language only gains its power when the receiver chooses to feel belittled. I am half-Asian and it didn't offend me at all. The idea that a punch, i.e. physical contact, is similar to a word is a poor analogy. However, if I chose to accept that analogy then I'd still argue that intent matters. Denying intent means only results matter. I'll assume you don't believe that. And no, someone doesn't need to change their language when someone else chooses to escalate the meaning beyond what was intended. Lastly, I do understand microagressions and they're complete nonsense created by those that need the world nerf'd for them because they can't be an adult and let words and behavior they disagree with roll off their back. Sorry, the world isn't evolving into a more thoughtful and caring global society. It's the same as it's always been, adversarial and selfish. Don't be fooled just because people are now better at hiding it. |
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Post by ironhammer on May 23, 2018 9:20:48 GMT -5
It would literally cost you nothing to edit the word. You got called out, maybe instead of jumping to a defensive place, just acknowledge the call out, make the edit, and move on. Getting SO defensive says a lot about your intent, to be honest. But that’s just my humble opinion. It would literally cost you people nothing to be less politically sensitive. And in case you are wondering, I minored in Asian studies back in college. I have lived, worked and traveled extensively in Asia. It's not being defensive, I just don't need anyone telling me what is a racist term or not, thank you. |
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Post by ironhammer on May 23, 2018 9:21:47 GMT -5
Or maybe people need to stop with the political correctness madness and see racism in places where it doesn't exist.  "Not excluded to the Chinese"? You mean, not exclusive to the Chinese? The "chink" term was indeed targeted at Chinese. Only ignorant racists would then confuse a Chinese with a Japanese. But it's all off-topic issue for another day. Only someone intent on stirring the pot will insist this must be a racist post. You clearly did not intend to use that word as a racial pejorative. Righteous indignation as sport has gotten out of hand. The only thing that offends me is that you're defending it at all instead of just telling people to f*ck off and find something better to do with their lives. I'm not defending the term, I am reacting to the political correctness response. |
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Post by ironhammer on May 23, 2018 9:25:48 GMT -5
Pure laziness. Someone tells you that what you said might have been offensive to some (given the historical connotations that come with the word "think", IT WAS) and your response is to quit being so politically correct? People like you don't even know what political correctness is. You think being a douchebag and being called out for being a douchebag somehow makes us wrong? Or that seeing implicit racism makes us racebaiters because you didn't come right out and say it? Trump has really poisoned the feeble minds of this country. Sad! No darling, the douchebaggery is on you, not me. You are the ones who leap to wrong conclusion with my term because of political correctness. Don't deny it. I am not being defensive, just calling out misconstrue political correctness. |
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Post by ironhammer on May 23, 2018 9:29:29 GMT -5
It's not lazy at all. His words, his intent. If someone misconstrues his message, that is on them and not him. It's just virtue-signalling b*ll%*$# and trying to imply racism where none was intended. If anyone really thought he was trying to use "chink" in a derogatory manner when it was clearly included in a colloquial phrase everyone has heard and predates the alternative, then they're outright stupid. And yes, political correctness is bunk. Somehow popular society has evolved from caring about ethical or moral correctness, i.e. things that matter, to playing "gotcha" word games. ..But his intent wasn't really to comment on the match or a team but to bait someone into that discussion. No, I never left any bait. If I wanted to bait, I would have left a much larger red meat.  |
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Post by donut on May 23, 2018 9:42:21 GMT -5
..But his intent wasn't really to comment on the match or a team but to bait someone into that discussion. No, I never left any bait. If I wanted to bait, I would have left a much larger red meat. Gross. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 10:28:57 GMT -5
Meh, I'd suggest you brush up on your intent vs. impact knowledge. Intent is pretty much worthless when evaluating an action or discourse. If you accidentally punch someone, you don't not say sorry because you didn't mean to, did you? Just because he didn't "intend" to hurt anyone, doesn't mean others don't feel the consequences of his words. For the record, I don't think he intended to be hurtful either, but 1) I'm also not of asian descent, so that word is not going to be a trigger for me and 2) see above. You have no idea what anyone's background's are on this forum, and that fact that multiple people responded primarily in a defensive manner means you should humble yourself (and the OP) into reconsidering using that phrase (especially in the context of this thread), and adjusting your language. What is so hard about that? And your last paragraph is annoying. The only people who continuously use the term "political correctness" are conservatives who have coined it as negative, and use it as a shield to bolster their stubbornness in changing and evolving into a more caring and thoughtful global society. You obviously don't understand the power of language and microaggressions if you think they're just "'gotcha' word games." BTW my main issue with the original post was that it offered no analysis, content, or value to the thread. But I'm not particularly surprised. The power of language only gains its power when the receiver chooses to feel belittled. It seems quite unfair to ask the receiver to consider the context of the user's intent, but not expect the user to ever consider the reception. |
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Post by ironhammer on May 23, 2018 11:04:37 GMT -5
The power of language only gains its power when the receiver chooses to feel belittled. It seems quite unfair to ask the receiver to consider the context of the user's intent, but not expect the user to ever consider the reception. You can't control the reception. It is what it is. |
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Post by hornshouse23 on May 23, 2018 11:37:17 GMT -5
It would literally cost you nothing to edit the word. You got called out, maybe instead of jumping to a defensive place, just acknowledge the call out, make the edit, and move on. Getting SO defensive says a lot about your intent, to be honest. But that’s just my humble opinion. It would literally cost you people nothing to be less politically sensitive. And in case you are wondering, I minored in Asian studies back in college. I have lived, worked and traveled extensively in Asia. It's not being defensive, I just don't need anyone telling me what is a racist term or not, thank you. You’ve really got to get over yourself. You’re still triggered about being called out as a scumbag days ago. Breaking: no one is spending a second’s thought on you or what you minored in. We’ve all moved on and see you for who you are. Your red hat seems to be wound very tight this morning. I suggest you loosen it, pack up that Asian studies minor, and move on. |
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Post by pdxcardfan on May 23, 2018 12:26:18 GMT -5
..But his intent wasn't really to comment on the match or a team but to bait someone into that discussion. No, I never left any bait. If I wanted to bait, I would have left a much larger red meat. Clever, but inflammatory because there's nothing ambiguous here. Further it argues against those of us who didn't see any intent in the original post. I found myself annoyed by those who were reading so much into the original metaphor, but this seems to make their case. |
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Post by ironhammer on May 23, 2018 19:46:43 GMT -5
It would literally cost you people nothing to be less politically sensitive. And in case you are wondering, I minored in Asian studies back in college. I have lived, worked and traveled extensively in Asia. It's not being defensive, I just don't need anyone telling me what is a racist term or not, thank you. You’ve really got to get over yourself. You’re still triggered about being called out as a scumbag days ago. Breaking: no one is spending a second’s thought on you or what you minored in. We’ve all moved on and see you for who you are. Your red hat seems to be wound very tight this morning. I suggest you loosen it, pack up that Asian studies minor, and move on. Who are "we"? I am not the one having trouble with myself. I am merely stating my position. The fact you have this reaction shows you seem to have difficulty accepting my post as nothing more than a mere post. I suggest YOU get over yourself being such a sensitive wallflower. P.S-Days ago? You do realize there is something call "real life", don't you? Work? Family? Paying the bills? The fact that I can't always respond immediately means I have to attend to real life first. Surely you know that, don't you? |
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Post by ironhammer on May 23, 2018 19:48:36 GMT -5
No, I never left any bait. If I wanted to bait, I would have left a much larger red meat. Clever, but inflammatory because there's nothing ambiguous here. Further it argues against those of us who didn't see any intent in the original post. I found myself annoyed by those who were reading so much into the original metaphor, but this seems to make their case.Does it? I said I never left any bait in that post. Someone choose to be offended by it because they are just a little too politically correct and hypersensitive, that's their problem. If I had really wanted to bait, I would have chosen something far more apparent. |
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