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Post by baytree on Dec 5, 2018 0:51:28 GMT -5
I know it happens. I'm talking about what's ideal. That's why I have the two big "ifs". The ideal would be to have Westerberg at Opposite IF Igiede, or even Akana, can crack the starting lineup at Middle. Why?
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 0:53:23 GMT -5
Didn't The Natural say that Hawaii was looking at Bailey Choy transferring back and that she was interested? It wasn't a done deal but I hope Hawaii can get someone like that. I do not see Bailey Choy, or any other Setter who is already starting on a D1 team, transferring to Hawaii, due to Norene Iosia being here. Do not believe they would want to be a backup after starting.
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Post by baytree on Dec 5, 2018 0:55:52 GMT -5
Didn't The Natural say that Hawaii was looking at Bailey Choy transferring back and that she was interested? It wasn't a done deal but I hope Hawaii can get someone like that. I do not see Bailey Choy, or any other Setter who is already starting on a D1 team, transferring to Hawaii, due to Norene Iosia being here. Do not believe they would want to be a backup after starting. I'm repeating what The Natural said. He seemed to have connections to the program. His "tips" were often correct. Maybe Bailey would be the starter. Norene could use some real competition. Maybe she'd set the middles more and work on her connection with them if she needed to compete for court time. Or maybe they'd run a 6-2. I would hope not but it's a possibility.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 0:57:42 GMT -5
The ideal would be to have Westerberg at Opposite IF Igiede, or even Akana, can crack the starting lineup at Middle. Why? Main reason, Westerberg will get more sets at Opposite, rather then in the Middle. That is why Dave Shoji moved Emily Hartong to OH1, and wanted to move Maglio to Opposite.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 1:00:49 GMT -5
I do not see Bailey Choy, or any other Setter who is already starting on a D1 team, transferring to Hawaii, due to Norene Iosia being here. Do not believe they would want to be a backup after starting. I'm repeating what The Natural said. He seemed to have connections to the program. His "tips" were often correct. Maybe Bailey would be the starter. Norene could use some real competition. Maybe she'd set the middles more and work on her connection with them if she needed to compete for court time. Or maybe they'd run a 6-2. I would hope not but it's a possibility. A 6-2 would be a BIG possibility if Choy were to transfer.
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Post by baytree on Dec 5, 2018 1:03:08 GMT -5
Main reason, Westerberg will get more sets at Opposite, rather then in the Middle. That is why Dave Shoji moved Emily Hartong to OH1, and wanted to move Maglio to Opposite. Again, that's not necessarily true. Rettke gets more sets than Duello (as I posted above). Do you even read what I post in my replies to you? Bc it doesn't seem like it and if you're going to ignore what I say, there is no point in trying to have a conversation.
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Post by brooselee on Dec 5, 2018 1:05:14 GMT -5
It is a risk for Bailey to come back. If you are currently a starter, it’s unwise to transfer unless you know, you will be a starter at the next school. Of course, if she decided to come home for other reasons like family illness or pursuing a certain degree, then I guess coming back to an uncertain future is fine.
Bailey got a good thing going in Utah. If I was her family, I would advise her to stay and finish school there.....then transfer home and play beach if she wants that.
UH should ask Liliana Light is she would consider joining UH this time. Don’t know what happened(if Robyn pulled her offer or she withdrew her commitment after Shoji retired). Also bring sister Alexis with her. Get room for both sisters here.
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Post by baytree on Dec 5, 2018 1:07:43 GMT -5
It is a risk for Bailey to come back. If you are currently a starter, it’s unwise to transfer unless you know, you will be a starter at the next school. Of course, if she decided to come home for other reasons like family illness or pursuing a certain degree, then I guess coming back to an uncertain future is fine. Bailey got a good thing going in Utah. If I was her family, I would advise her to stay and finish school there.....then transfer home and play beach if she wants that. I wouldn't transfer if I were her, either, but The Natural claimed that she was interested, possibly even without a scholarship. Maybe there is some family reason or maybe things aren't going well at Utah. Maybe whatever it was has changed since The Natural posted but he seemed pretty certain of that info.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 1:20:56 GMT -5
Main reason, Westerberg will get more sets at Opposite, rather then in the Middle. That is why Dave Shoji moved Emily Hartong to OH1, and wanted to move Maglio to Opposite. Again, that's not necessarily true. Rettke gets more sets than Duello (as I posted above). Do you even read what I post in my replies to you? Bc it doesn't seem like it and if you're going to ignore what I say, there is no point in trying to have a conversation. Sorry, I had to re-read it again. But like most of you have stated, Iosia sets the Outsides, both sides, better then she does the Middle. With that in mind, and what could be a deficiency in the Wahine Team next year, Passing. How many sets do you think the Middles will be getting. When Iosia is able to set the Middle how often will it be good sets. With that in mind, at what position will Westerberg be able to help the Wahine the most. I am thinking Opposite, more then Middle.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 1:23:55 GMT -5
It is a risk for Bailey to come back. If you are currently a starter, it’s unwise to transfer unless you know, you will be a starter at the next school. Of course, if she decided to come home for other reasons like family illness or pursuing a certain degree, then I guess coming back to an uncertain future is fine. Bailey got a good thing going in Utah. If I was her family, I would advise her to stay and finish school there.....then transfer home and play beach if she wants that. I wouldn't transfer if I were her, either, but The Natural claimed that she was interested, possibly even without a scholarship. Maybe there is some family reason or maybe things aren't going well at Utah. Maybe whatever it was has changed since The Natural posted but he seemed pretty certain of that info. Where is The Natural, anyway. We could really us his/her insight into the Wahine Team. Especially now that it seems Cindy Luis has semi-retired, or just to lazy to cover Wahine Volleyball.
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Post by baytree on Dec 5, 2018 1:33:37 GMT -5
Again, that's not necessarily true. Rettke gets more sets than Duello (as I posted above). Do you even read what I post in my replies to you? Bc it doesn't seem like it and if you're going to ignore what I say, there is no point in trying to have a conversation. Sorry, I had to re-read it again. But like most of you have stated, Iosia sets the Outsides, both sides, better then she does the Middle. With that in mind, and what could be a deficiency in the Wahine Team next year, Passing. How many sets do you think the Middles will be getting. When Iosia is able to set the Middle how often will it be good sets. With that in mind, at what position will Westerberg be able to help the Wahine the most. I am thinking Opposite, more then Middle. I think that Iosia could set the middles more and better IF Robyn tells her she has to. But that might require at least a decent backup. If Iosia is even a mediocre setter, setting the middles shouldn't be a problem. I think she can be much better than mediocre but if she's not, Robyn needs to get a better setter ASAP. That might be even more important than a transfer libero since we have Okino. If you want to maximize swings and don't think your passers or setter are good enough to set the middles, why not move Westerberg to OH1? That's who gets all the swings, front row and back. Unless you have TVW (or similar) and have her taking the swings. IMO if our passers and setter aren't good enough to set the middles much, we're probably going to have a bad year anyway. We'll have to hope that the other BWC teams have even worse seasons. Which could be liberating bc we won't be trying to win the BWC. Move everyone to where you think they have the highest ceiling (for 2020 and beyond), don't worry about next season at all, and work on serve and pass plus blocking. I doubt that Robyn would do that, though.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 1:41:49 GMT -5
Sorry, I had to re-read it again. But like most of you have stated, Iosia sets the Outsides, both sides, better then she does the Middle. With that in mind, and what could be a deficiency in the Wahine Team next year, Passing. How many sets do you think the Middles will be getting. When Iosia is able to set the Middle how often will it be good sets. With that in mind, at what position will Westerberg be able to help the Wahine the most. I am thinking Opposite, more then Middle. I think that Iosia could set the middles more and better IF Robyn tells her she has to. But that would require at least a decent backup. If Iosia is even a mediocre setter, setting the middles shouldn't be a problem. I think she can be much better than mediocre but if she's not, Robyn needs to get a better setter ASAP. That might be even more important than a transfer libero since we have Okino. If you want to maximize swings and don't think your passers or setter are good enough to set the middles, why not move Westerberg to OH1? That's who gets all the swings, front row and back. Unless you have TVW (or similar) and have her taking the swings. IMO if our passers and setter aren't good enough to set the middles much, we're probably going to have a bad year anyway. We'll have to hope that the other BWC teams have even worse seasons. Which could be liberating bc we won't be trying to win the BWC. Move everyone to where you think they have the highest ceiling (for 2020 and beyond), don't worry about next season at all, and work on serve and pass. I doubt that Robyn would do that, though. More then Iosia setting the Middle, I am more concerned with the passing, and receiving, enabling Iosia to even set the Middle. If Akiu were returning next year, I would say leave Westerberg at Middle, but she is not. Iosia can set the Opposite position just as well as the Outside, on out of system balls. When Nikki Taylor was playing for the Wahine she got the most sets at the Opposite position.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 1:56:21 GMT -5
Looking at the players that Robyn has recruited for 2019, I am thinking Robyn has a very good idea what her starting lineup is going to look like come that 1st match.
OH1 - Hellvig OH2 - Wagoner MH1 - Westerberg MH2 - Igiede OPP - Akana S - Iosia
Libero, a question mark right now.
This could change if some of the returning players surprise, like Williams, Castaneda, or Sibley. Like I have always stated, I do not believe Robyn want after project players, but only players she felt could start from Day 1.
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Post by greenthumb on Dec 5, 2018 1:58:03 GMT -5
My concerns next season are at the libero position and setting the middles. Yes, Okino has improved greatly since her freshman year, and she played with guts this season, especially on those away basketball courts. She might actually be farther along when looked at on her own skills and merits, than she is under Akiu’s shadow. (Speaking of shade, super disappointed Akiu didn’t get on the regional awards list.)
Frankly, although Iosia is a good setter, she did not show much instinct or desire to set the middles last year or this year. I remember watching Maglio be open plenty of times, and getting very few sets — and she usually was money when she did. Very seldom got under the ball and very frequently found the floor. My sense was her beach play contributed to her being able to handle less-than-perfect sets, so that justification for low numbers of sets never really seemed plausible.
This year, with Burns, I just didn’t get it. She too was open often. Where last season and earlier this season she fell back on paintbrushing, in the heart of conference play and beyond, she was looking for the floor. Coaching staff was outspoken about her improvement this season, and yet most of her sets were from Ma’afala. Yes, some of that was rotational, but not all of it.
Yes, Iosia was pulling multiple duties. That said, if she goes back to pure setter duties next year, she really needs to share out the sets more. And depending on who the middles are, no they don’t need perfect sets. But they do need sets in order to contribute to the offense.
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Post by baytree on Dec 5, 2018 2:00:22 GMT -5
I think that Iosia could set the middles more and better IF Robyn tells her she has to. But that would require at least a decent backup. If Iosia is even a mediocre setter, setting the middles shouldn't be a problem. I think she can be much better than mediocre but if she's not, Robyn needs to get a better setter ASAP. That might be even more important than a transfer libero since we have Okino. If you want to maximize swings and don't think your passers or setter are good enough to set the middles, why not move Westerberg to OH1? That's who gets all the swings, front row and back. Unless you have TVW (or similar) and have her taking the swings. IMO if our passers and setter aren't good enough to set the middles much, we're probably going to have a bad year anyway. We'll have to hope that the other BWC teams have even worse seasons. Which could be liberating bc we won't be trying to win the BWC. Move everyone to where you think they have the highest ceiling (for 2020 and beyond), don't worry about next season at all, and work on serve and pass. I doubt that Robyn would do that, though. More then Iosia setting the Middle, I am more concerned with the passing, and receiving, enabling Iosia to even set the Middle. If Akiu were returning next year, I would say leave Westerberg at Middle, but she is not. Iosia can set the Opposite position just as well as the Outside, on out of system balls. When Nikki Taylor was playing for the Wahine she got the most sets at the Opposite position. She had excellent passing this season but didn't set the middles much or well. Do you think she could have done it but didn't try? If the passes aren't good enough to set the middle, it may be hard to set the opposite, too. Iosia didn't set Gaskin that often and IMO she didn't do a good job with setting OOS balls to her. I don't know whose fault it was, but her connection with Gaskin wasn't good most of the season. Why do you assume it's going to be great with whomever plays opposite next season? Our OHs got far more balls than our middles or Gaskin and that was with Aiku as libero. (9.58 per set for Granato, 6.76 for Castillo, 5.03 for Burns, 4.9 for Gaskin, and 4.26 for Liva) Why do you think that's going to get better with another (probably worse) libero? What does Nikki Taylor have to do with anything? ANY player can have the most sets. A middle, an opposite, an OH. Torrey Van Winden gets the most sets as an opposite on Cal Poly. Rettke gets the 2nd most sets (a bit fewer than the OH1) on her team. It's not the same team that Nikki Taylor was on so I don't see how she's any more relevant than Rettke. I agree that the opposite can have the most sets on a team so I'm not sure why you're arguing that.
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