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Post by Pipe Attack on Dec 5, 2018 20:03:47 GMT -5
I agree with everyone saying we need another setter ... pronto! I don't think the team benefits having only Iosia as the setter in the spring. But that spring season is so short anyway. I really don't think Iosia has anything else to learn as a setter. It's more her in-game decisions and maybe different combinations the team can play. Agreed it would be a good time for Iosia and the hitters to get more of a rapport with each other and maybe the coach to figure out what type of system they could run next fall. I've seen Akana set during her prep tenure, so I mean she could be an extreme-case back up maybe?
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 20:45:02 GMT -5
Faith Ma'afala can volunteer to practice with the girls in the spring if they need another setter for scrimmages. Also, I'm sure RAMS could be the setter on the B side if necessary. Also, one of the boys -- Castello or Baxter -- could also set. Robyn really does not have enough players, in the Spring, to even hold scrimmages.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 20:48:18 GMT -5
I agree that you could make do without having a transfer setter this spring but IMO it's far from ideal. You want the setter and your players to get used to each other. A few ppl were saying that Iosia would be the only setter. It seemed like they thought that would be a good thing. This is one year were it really does not matter, since the majority of your starting hitters, OH & OPP, will be showing up in August. So as long as Robyn brings in another setter by then, it will be OK.
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Post by molokaiboi on Dec 5, 2018 20:48:39 GMT -5
You guys are doggin’ on Iosia too much. You guys realize how many times her outside hitting has kept us in the game? Giver her a break 🙄 she wasn’t a full time setter so stop with your wishful thinking with her abilities this year. I’m sure hitting outside takes a toll on your mentanality and body. I could only imagine the pressure she was under.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 20:57:59 GMT -5
These are the players that will be available for the Spring Practice Session:
OH & OPP - Trinity Castaneda, Kirsten Sibley, McKenna Ross Middles - Kamalei Krug, Skyler Williams Setter - Norene Iosia DS/L - Janelle Gong, Rika Okino
That is it folks. Just enough players for a match. Unless Robyn can convince the graduating players to show up, so the returning players can have someone to scrimmage against. Robyn cannot even hold scrimmages. Just a lot of individual instructions, is all Robyn and staff would be able to do, this Spring.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 21:10:06 GMT -5
You guys are doggin’ on Iosia too much. You guys realize how many times her outside hitting has kept us in the game? Giver her a break 🙄 she wasn’t a full time setter so stop with your wishful thinking with her abilities this year. I’m sure hitting outside takes a toll on your mentanality and body. I could only imagine the pressure she was under. Not once this past season did Robyn have any concerns regarding Iosia's setting. All Robyn had for Iosia was a lot of praise. If anyone knows about the Setting position, it is Robyn. So if Robyn is not saying anything about Iosia's setting we should not also. We just need to have confidence in Iosia. I for one know that we will see a much improved Iosia next year.
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Post by Seahawks 1972 on Dec 5, 2018 21:17:08 GMT -5
You guys are doggin’ on Iosia too much. You guys realize how many times her outside hitting has kept us in the game? Giver her a break 🙄 she wasn’t a full time setter so stop with your wishful thinking with her abilities this year. I’m sure hitting outside takes a toll on your mentanality and body. I could only imagine the pressure she was under. It works both ways. The pressure was on "all" not just her. Demanding fellow Wahine faithful to so call stop "dogging" Norene is counter productive. Nothing that was posted should be taken as such. If you feel that the suggestions and hopeful remedies mentioned are unrealistic for you then please feel free to offer yours. More than not as was mentioned before in past post(s), the middles were ready and the passes were on point and Norene would set away to the OH. I personally am more worried about the meltdown that happened during the UCSB match.
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 5, 2018 21:21:26 GMT -5
Not having enough players for spring is NOT a unique problem. Every volleyball program and every coaching staff in the nation have had that problem at some point. Even Dave Shoji had that problem many times. It's not like the coaching staff at Hawaii are going, "Oh my god, what are we going to do!?!?! We're so screwed!"
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Post by Seahawks 1972 on Dec 5, 2018 21:25:53 GMT -5
You guys are doggin’ on Iosia too much. You guys realize how many times her outside hitting has kept us in the game? Giver her a break 🙄 she wasn’t a full time setter so stop with your wishful thinking with her abilities this year. I’m sure hitting outside takes a toll on your mentanality and body. I could only imagine the pressure she was under. Not once this past season did Robyn have any concerns regarding Iosia's setting. All Robyn had for Iosia was a lot of praise. If anyone knows about the Setting position, it is Robyn. So if Robyn is not saying anything about Iosia's setting we should not also. We just need to have confidence in Iosia. I for one know that we will see a much improved Iosia next year. To think that Coach Robyn did not have issues with Norene's not setting the middles is an understatement. I suspect majority of the TO's were due to that specific issue. Coach Robyn may not have mentioned it it public but what coach worth their grain of salt would. Norene being the only setter for next season is not the answer, no matter how good she is or appears to be to many.
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Post by baytree on Dec 5, 2018 21:45:45 GMT -5
I agree that you could make do without having a transfer setter this spring but IMO it's far from ideal. You want the setter and your players to get used to each other. A few ppl were saying that Iosia would be the only setter. It seemed like they thought that would be a good thing. This is one year were it really does not matter, since the majority of your starting hitters, OH & OPP, will be showing up in August. So as long as Robyn brings in another setter by then, it will be OK. I disagree. First, we don't know if any of the returning players will be starters or regular subs. But even if they only sub in occasionally, it will help the setter to have those relationships established. It will let her concentrate on the new players without worrying how things will work if there are injuries, etc. It will give her a more solid foundation to build on in the fall, when there will be a lot to learn with all the new players. And if, e.g., Okino starts, having worked with her in the spring will help a lot IMO. Knowing your primary passer is important for a setter (and knowing your setter is important for your primary passer).
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Post by baytree on Dec 5, 2018 21:51:47 GMT -5
Not having enough players for spring is NOT a unique problem. Every volleyball program and every coaching staff in the nation have had that problem at some point. Even Dave Shoji had that problem many times. It's not like the coaching staff at Hawaii are going, "Oh my god, what are we going to do!?!?! We're so screwed!"Who is saying that they are? Why are you exaggerating what ppl are saying to the point of ridiculousness? Of course, many programs have this problem. Not all of them though bc many routinely have freshmen start school and training during the spring. But, even there, some students won't. It's a bigger problem for Hawaii than most schools bc we had so many seniors graduate. We aren't the only program that has had that happen but it still creates problems. Look at Washington this season. They lost of bunch of seniors and they sucked for like half the season. They're quite a bit better now and are coming together just in time of the tournament so that's good. So it's never the end of the world. It's a game so nothing is that big of a deal. My original point was that it seemed like some ppl thought that not having a second setter in the spring was a benefit. IMO it's a detriment. That's all I was saying.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 5, 2018 22:08:07 GMT -5
Not having enough players for spring is NOT a unique problem. Every volleyball program and every coaching staff in the nation have had that problem at some point. Even Dave Shoji had that problem many times. It's not like the coaching staff at Hawaii are going, "Oh my god, what are we going to do!?!?! We're so screwed!" Who is saying that they are? Why are you exaggerating what ppl are saying to the point of ridiculousness? Of course, many programs have this problem. Not all of them though bc many routinely have freshmen start school and training during the spring. But, even there, some students won't. It's a bigger problem for Hawaii than most schools bc we had so many seniors graduate. We aren't the only program that has had that happen but it still creates problems. Look at Washington this season. They lost of bunch of seniors and they sucked for like half the season. They're quite a bit better now and are coming together just in time of the tournament so that's good. So it's never the end of the world. It's a game so nothing is that big of a deal. The same problem existed last spring. It may have been unavoidable then because of the timing of Robyn's hire and transition. It was not completely unavoidable this time--or at least, it should not be surprising to the coaching staff--which may suggest that they have simply resigned themselves to, or are willing to accept, the situation as part of their overhaul of the program and recruiting objectives. If intra-team scrimmages are not feasible this spring because of the number of players available, bringing a setter in right away in spring may not be as urgent. Norene can put the work in during the spring, and a back-up setter can come in the fall and get integrated into the team along with every other new player. Maybe not the most ideal situation, but certainly not disastrous.
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Post by molokaiboi on Dec 5, 2018 22:08:43 GMT -5
Not once this past season did Robyn have any concerns regarding Iosia's setting. All Robyn had for Iosia was a lot of praise. If anyone knows about the Setting position, it is Robyn. So if Robyn is not saying anything about Iosia's setting we should not also. We just need to have confidence in Iosia. I for one know that we will see a much improved Iosia next year. To think that Coach Robyn did not have issues with Norene's not setting the middles is an understatement. I suspect majority of the TO's were due to that specific issue. Coach Robyn may not have mentioned it it public but what coach worth their grain of salt would. Norene being the only setter for next season is not the answer, no matter how good she is or appears to be to many. How is that an understatement? Robyn had her hitting on the outside lol she has nothing to say about iosia’s setting because iosia had to pull her load on the outside. Iosia was needed at the pins, no doubt about that.
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Post by baytree on Dec 5, 2018 22:12:15 GMT -5
Who is saying that they are? Why are you exaggerating what ppl are saying to the point of ridiculousness? Of course, many programs have this problem. Not all of them though bc many routinely have freshmen start school and training during the spring. But, even there, some students won't. It's a bigger problem for Hawaii than most schools bc we had so many seniors graduate. We aren't the only program that has had that happen but it still creates problems. Look at Washington this season. They lost of bunch of seniors and they sucked for like half the season. They're quite a bit better now and are coming together just in time of the tournament so that's good. So it's never the end of the world. It's a game so nothing is that big of a deal. The same problem existed last spring. It may have been unavoidable then because of the timing of Robyn's hire and transition. It was not completely unavoidable this time--or at least, it should not be surprising to the coaching staff--which may suggest that they have simply resigned themselves to, or are willing to accept, the situation as part of their overhaul of the program and recruiting objectives. If intra-team scrimmages are not feasible this spring because of the number of players available, bringing a setter in right away in spring may not be as urgent. Norene can put the work in during the spring, and a back-up setter can come in the fall and get integrated into the team along with every other new player. Maybe not the most ideal situation, but certainly not disastrous. I agree it's not disastrous (or anywhere close to disastrous). There are many worse things that could happen. And, as I said above, it's just a game anyway. It's not like any of it matters all that much in the big scheme of things. But watching it and discussing it can be fun diversions.
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Post by Timeless on Dec 5, 2018 22:18:51 GMT -5
God forbid this is the one year we need a big time transfer. Maybe Lanier can join Iosia in paradise for a year then go back home. I just hope if we do get transfers they aren't one dimensional like Gaskin and Liva. We need players that will make an impact in games and push the bench to bring the best out of them.
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