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Post by volleyguy on Dec 5, 2018 23:01:24 GMT -5
Some of these players have had two springs, two Falls (double days) and two seasons with this coaching staff. I'm not sure what significant improvements you think are going to happen this spring. Sibley still needs a lot of things to work on, Castaneda has a lot more. Williams, still needs to work on her footwork, and hand position, when blocking. Both Okino and Gong, have a lot more to work on when it comes to receiving, and passing. Iosia, on the mental part of Setting. So all these returning players still have things to work on. My question is not what do they need to work on. The question is what significant improvements do you realistically expect to happen during one spring practice that hasn't occurred over the course of all the others? The realistic answer is that they might make incremental improvements, but there is no evidence and no reason to expect that they're going to make these huge leaps in improvement that you keep talking about. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 23:03:43 GMT -5
It would not surprise, or even shock me, if all of these 5 incoming players become All-Americans at some point in their career as a Wahine. Under the tutelage of both Robyn and Angelica. Cause that is the kind of player Robyn is looking for. Players that want to work hard to become the best they can be. Work hard in gym, cause that is where it all starts to happen.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 23:09:08 GMT -5
Sibley still needs a lot of things to work on, Castaneda has a lot more. Williams, still needs to work on her footwork, and hand position, when blocking. Both Okino and Gong, have a lot more to work on when it comes to receiving, and passing. Iosia, on the mental part of Setting. So all these returning players still have things to work on. My question is not what do they need to work on. The question is what significant improvements do you realistically expect to happen during one spring practice that hasn't occurred over the course of all the others? The realistic answer is that they might make incremental improvements, but there is no evidence and no reason to expect that they're going to make these huge leaps in improvement that you keep talking about. That of course is hard to say. Some will make significant improvements, other will make subtle improvements. But there will be improvement, I can guarantee you. If a player does not make an improvement, Robyn will not have her on the team. That I am sure of. |
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Post by raian13 on Dec 5, 2018 23:09:10 GMT -5
Everyone calm down. Do not speak highly of these incoming recruits just yet. High school is nothing like DI collegiate volleyball. Unless they’re KP type of talent their credentials are still in question. So much of these Future AA, sure-starter predictions.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 23:18:46 GMT -5
Everyone calm down. Do not speak highly of these incoming recruits just yet. High school is nothing like DI collegiate volleyball. Unless they’re KP type of talent their credentials are still in question. So much of these Future AA, sure-starter predictions. I understand these incoming recruits will be Raw, when it comes to collegiate volleyball. But they all have a solid base to work off of. If they all work hard, in the gym, and under the tutelage of Robyn and Angelica, I can see all of them attaining All-American status sometime during their career. But the key is, that want to. Wanting to become the best they can be, not afraid of working hard in the gym, to attain that goal. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 5, 2018 23:22:35 GMT -5
My god this is getting ridiculous. EVERY yearwe hype our recruits up, and EVERY year you guys tear them down when they dont live up to your hype. These girls will be FRESHMAN. The last freshman to make AA for hawaii was danielson, and before that, kamanao. Is this a talented class? Absolutely, but they will be freshman none the less and we need to stop with “theyll all be AA” because thats very unlikely
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 5, 2018 23:23:30 GMT -5
My question is not what do they need to work on. The question is what significant improvements do you realistically expect to happen during one spring practice that hasn't occurred over the course of all the others? The realistic answer is that they might make incremental improvements, but there is no evidence and no reason to expect that they're going to make these huge leaps in improvement that you keep talking about. That of course is hard to say. Some will make significant improvements, other will make subtle improvements. But there will be improvement, I can guarantee you. If a player does not make an improvement, Robyn will not have her on the team. That I am sure of. You can't guarantee anything. Even Robyn can't guarantee improvement. Please, stop wth the nonsense. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 5, 2018 23:35:41 GMT -5
That of course is hard to say. Some will make significant improvements, other will make subtle improvements. But there will be improvement, I can guarantee you. If a player does not make an improvement, Robyn will not have her on the team. That I am sure of. You can't guarantee anything. Even Robyn can't guarantee improvement. Please, stop wth the nonsense. It is not nonsense. If a player does not improve, in one way, or another. That only means, she does not want to improve. That is something Robyn will have none of. To the point, that player will not be part of the Wahine team, one way, or another. |
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Post by practicesafesets on Dec 5, 2018 23:49:11 GMT -5
I had hopes for Castaneda. She was a recruit who had crazy stats and is from a deeply talented state.
Still doubtful on a Bell transfer. First priority needs to be a great libero, then back up setter. Another outside would be nice. Does Katarina Luketic still want to play US collegiate? Maybe that Airi girl will reconsider and go to Hawaii instead?
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Post by raian13 on Dec 6, 2018 0:05:02 GMT -5
Castaneda’s case wasn’t her fault. I wished Robyn played her more times this season.
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Post by pineappleexpress on Dec 6, 2018 0:08:51 GMT -5
I can't believe this! We can all support the girls old and new welcome them and let the coaches do what's right. We will win and show our pride. Everything else is a blessing. Let's keep the girl strong each of them will bring it when we need it.
Go Bows!
God Bless the Wahine !
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Post by baytree on Dec 6, 2018 0:09:06 GMT -5
Everyone calm down. Do not speak highly of these incoming recruits just yet. High school is nothing like DI collegiate volleyball. Unless they’re KP type of talent their credentials are still in question. So much of these Future AA, sure-starter predictions. I understand these incoming recruits will be Raw, when it comes to collegiate volleyball. But they all have a solid base to work off of. If they all work hard, in the gym, and under the tutelage of Robyn and Angelica, I can see all of them attaining All-American status sometime during their career. But the key is, that want to. Wanting to become the best they can be, not afraid of working hard in the gym, to attain that goal. Not going to touch the claim that if someone wants to be an All American and works hard to do so, they can be an AA other than to say that I strongly disagree. But does anyone know if an entire women's indoor VB class has ever all been All Americans, esp if there are at least four of them (but even if <4 but >1)? That would be fun for that class. |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 6, 2018 0:17:33 GMT -5
You can't guarantee anything. Even Robyn can't guarantee improvement. Please, stop wth the nonsense. It is not nonsense. If a player does not improve, in one way, or another. That only means, she does not want to improve. That is something Robyn will have none of. To the point, that player will not be part of the Wahine team, one way, or another. Has Robyn cut any players from the roster or kicked anyone off in two years? Your premise is wrong. I have seen Robyn in the gym as a player many times. It's a mistake to think that every player is as self-directed as she is and to assume that that approach works for everyone. It's pretty clear to me that despite her tough exterior, Robyn has not adopted a "My way or the highway" approach with this team. It's obviously a very different thing to feel the burden of being completely responsible for the well being of a group of people, while developing and understanding her own experience and ability as a coach. You speak as if you know her--and you probably do--but perhaps you don't actually understand what she is doing or what she is going through herself. And whatever it is that you think you are doing, perhaps it's not working that way. So maybe give it a rest. |
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Post by coachcarrasco on Dec 6, 2018 0:36:12 GMT -5
You can't guarantee anything. Even Robyn can't guarantee improvement. Please, stop wth the nonsense. It is not nonsense. If a player does not improve, in one way, or another. That only means, she does not want to improve. That is something Robyn will have none of. To the point, that player will not be part of the Wahine team, one way, or another. When it comes to player "improvementt", it’s tough to create a program that has an optimum development environment when you have to start a lot of freshmen and sophomores. Ideally, you have a team that has a core of players that are juniors and seniors that will carry the team through competition and then have your freshmen and sophomores play utility roles as they develop in practice and limited competition roles. This keeps programs rolling better in the long term. Whenever you have to start too many freshmen and sophomores their first year its a stressful situation from a development stand point. Considering how fast seasons fly by if a freshman is starting the coach barely has time to develop the athlete and has to go straight to performance, essentially getting everything they can out of what they’ve got. It would be more fair to see what Robyn and Angelica can do with this 2019 class in the spring season of 2020 going into the 2020 regular season. This would be the real test to see how this 2019 crop turns out. After that time, I could see a coach like Robyn and Angelica parting ways with an athlete amicably if there wasn't a good fit. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 6, 2018 1:22:18 GMT -5
I understand these incoming recruits will be Raw, when it comes to collegiate volleyball. But they all have a solid base to work off of. If they all work hard, in the gym, and under the tutelage of Robyn and Angelica, I can see all of them attaining All-American status sometime during their career. But the key is, that want to. Wanting to become the best they can be, not afraid of working hard in the gym, to attain that goal. Not going to touch the claim that if someone wants to be an All American and works hard to do so, they can be an AA other than to say that I strongly disagree. But does anyone know if an entire women's indoor VB class has ever all been All Americans, esp if there are at least four of them (but even if <4 but >1)? That would be fun for that class. The most All-Americans the Wahine had on a team was 3, that happened 5 times. 1987 - Suzanne Eagye, Tee Williams, and Diana Jessie 1988 - Tee Williams, Martina Cincerova, and Anna Verwerk 1991 - Kee Williams, Maljin Fransson, and Cheri Boyer 2002 - Lily Kahumoku, Kim Willoughby, and Lauren Duggins 2003 - Lily Kahumoku, Kim Willoughby, and Kanoe Kamana'o So can it occur with this incoming class, maybe. only time will tell. |
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