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Post by wahinefan on Dec 6, 2018 1:28:44 GMT -5
Castaneda’s case wasn’t her fault. I wished Robyn played her more times this season. Just curious, why was it not Castaneda's fault, that Robyn did not play her much at all? |
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Post by Seahawks 1972 on Dec 6, 2018 1:42:20 GMT -5
You weren't either so what's your point. My point is, just by looking at Robyn's hand and arm gestures, she definitely was not talking about the setting. Most often then not she was talking to the hitters, or about the blocking. Hence the word "suspect" Now reel it in and try to respect what others post and not what you decipher it to be for whatever you want it to read. |
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Post by baytree on Dec 6, 2018 1:49:17 GMT -5
Not going to touch the claim that if someone wants to be an All American and works hard to do so, they can be an AA other than to say that I strongly disagree. But does anyone know if an entire women's indoor VB class has ever all been All Americans, esp if there are at least four of them (but even if <4 but >1)? That would be fun for that class. The most All-Americans the Wahine had on a team was 3, that happened 5 times. 1987 - Suzanne Eagye, Tee Williams, and Diana Jessie 1988 - Tee Williams, Martina Cincerova, and Anna Verwerk 1991 - Kee Williams, Maljin Fransson, and Cheri Boyer 2002 - Lily Kahumoku, Kim Willoughby, and Lauren Duggins 2003 - Lily Kahumoku, Kim Willoughby, and Kanoe Kamana'o So can it occur with this incoming class, maybe. only time will tell. Thanks for that but it doesn't answer my question. Was that the full class for any of those years? It wasn't for 2002 or 2003 but I don't know about the earlier years. I'm a Stanford fan. I know that a team can have multiple ppl who are AA. Just last season, there were five Stanford players plus one HM (if you count that). If you count Lutz's last season, she was the only senior on the Stanford team and she made AA but that doesn't seem like it would be rare bc it's a 1-person class. And if you look at the players who came in when she was a freshman, she was the only All American. I don't think it ever happened at Stanford but I'm not sure. I know that Hawaii has had several AAs as has Nebraska, UCLA, USC, Penn State, Texas and some other schools. If it ever happened, I think it would be energizing and fun for that class as well as interesting trivia. I think about that for Stanford bc the 2016 class has Plummer, Gray, Hentz, and Fitzmorris but Micheala Keefe and Caitlin Keefe haven't been AAs. In the 2012 Stanford class, Ajanaku, Burgess, Bugg, Howard were AA but I don't think McGehee was. |
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Post by raian13 on Dec 6, 2018 1:53:33 GMT -5
Castaneda’s case wasn’t her fault. I wished Robyn played her more times this season. Just curious, why was it not Castaneda's fault, that Robyn did not play her much at all? Castaneda might have wanted to play more but she was not given opportunity. Even if Robyn says she wasn’t ready at the D1 level, it’s not like they were deep in the roster. Even when they faced CSF twice, she never played a full set. You can’t blame a player for not being able to improve when she is not given chance to show it in an actual match. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 6, 2018 2:08:22 GMT -5
Just curious, why was it not Castaneda's fault, that Robyn did not play her much at all? Castaneda might have wanted to play more but she was not given opportunity. Even if Robyn says she wasn’t ready at the D1 level, it’s not like they were deep in the roster. Even when they faced CSF twice, she never played a full set. You can’t blame a player for not being able to improve when she is not given chance to show it in an actual match. A player proves they deserve playing time in a match during practice. A player also improves in practice, not so much in game situations. That goes for all sports. No respectable coach will just put in a player, just to give that player playing time. Not once did the PSU, Stanford, or even the Nebraska Head Coaches clear their bench just to give players playing time. Let me tell you, there were matches when they could have. Castaneda showed on those times when Robyn did put her in, she was not ready for D1 competition. She seemed quite lost. Castaneda is a player, that can be classified as a project. Then again, going through Spring Practice, she could surprise next year. I for one, would not be surprised, if she turns out to be one of the surprise players next year. |
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Post by kaipono on Dec 6, 2018 2:08:46 GMT -5
Just curious, why was it not Castaneda's fault, that Robyn did not play her much at all? Castaneda might have wanted to play more but she was not given opportunity. Even if Robyn says she wasn’t ready at the D1 level, it’s not like they were deep in the roster. Even when they faced CSF twice, she never played a full set. You can’t blame a player for not being able to improve when she is not given chance to show it in an actual match. Yeah, I sort of agree as well. I also think Sibley could have been played way earlier in some matches, and like in the UCSB match, she was brought in too late (I'm not saying we would have won if she came in earlier though). I do think that Robyn has done an overall great job with these girls, but Castaneda seemed to have the shortest leash of any player, and I have not really had the chance to see what she could do. I think that if any player were to make large strides in improvement, it will probably be Castaneda. Everyone else had practiced during the Spring as well, so I am not expecting a large amount of improvement on everyone else's part, but if Castaneda can make a jump as OH like Okino as a DS or Williams as a MB, I'll be happy. Odds are, if Hellvig and Wagoner are ahead of her next year, then she should probably consider transferring (although I thought the same about Sibley). The hype around these freshmen are somewhat justified, but I have no idea why All-American is being brought up at this point. To be honest, next season is still going to be a rebuilding/transitionary year because our team will be lacking experience. Excluding the possible transfers, we have the most experience with Iosia playing three seasons at setter, Sibley/Ross who have been off the bench OHs, Williams who has been off and on at MB for most of the season, and Okino playing as a DS in around half the rotations that Akiu play in. People before this season started thought that Castaneda could start at OH2, but it did not seem like she was able to (not entirely her fault), so what makes these freshmen any different? I will say that these freshmen "look better" than the previous recruiting classes, but that doesn't mean everything is going to pan out. I do like Westerberg's videos, and I have watched Akana play as well, but I have no idea how all of these players will transition into college level play, so I am keeping my expectations realistic. |
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Post by greenthumb on Dec 6, 2018 2:10:17 GMT -5
Just curious, why was it not Castaneda's fault, that Robyn did not play her much at all? Castaneda might have wanted to play more but she was not given opportunity. Even if Robyn says she wasn’t ready at the D1 level, it’s not like they were deep in the roster. Even when they faced CSF twice, she never played a full set. You can’t blame a player for not being able to improve when she is not given chance to show it in an actual match. She saw the court in three matches this season, according to her UH bio. They were Oregon (1 dig) and Riverside in September, and the away match we didn’t get to see against Fullerton (2 kills) in October. Is that enough spacing and late enough in the season that she can’t try for a redshirt for 2018? |
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Post by baytree on Dec 6, 2018 2:17:48 GMT -5
Castaneda might have wanted to play more but she was not given opportunity. Even if Robyn says she wasn’t ready at the D1 level, it’s not like they were deep in the roster. Even when they faced CSF twice, she never played a full set. You can’t blame a player for not being able to improve when she is not given chance to show it in an actual match. A player proves they deserve playing time in a match during practice. A player also improves in practice, not so much in game situations. That goes for all sports. No respectable coach will just put in a player, just to give that player playing time. Not once did the PSU, Stanford, or even the Nebraska Head Coaches clear their bench just to give players playing time. Let me tell you, there were matches when they could have. Castaneda showed on those times when Robyn did put her in, she was not ready for D1 competition. She seemed quite lost. Castaneda is a player, that can be classified as a project. Then again, going through Spring Practice, she could surprise next year. I for one, would not be surprised, if she turns out to be one of the surprise players next year. Hambly did when they played West Virginia in the pre-season and when they played Alabama State in the first round last week. In the game against Alabama State, in addition to playing all the players who rarely see action, he also had Fitz serve and hit from the back, which she rarely does. Fidelek (who has only played against W. Virginia and Alabama State this season) played all around even though she's an opposite and will probably not play in the back row if she ever comes in due to injury. (She's a lefty opposite and we have two excellent OHs coming in next season so she is very unlikely to ever play any other position. They want Formico to play back row so she has to come in for someone and it's not likely to be for McClure or Plummer.) He had Bowen play against Oregon State earlier this season (presumably for game experience) and that paid off when Alade got injured and Bowen had to play more often. |
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Post by pineappleexpress on Dec 6, 2018 2:42:41 GMT -5
There is going to be to be lots of building. Let's see what happens.
So if your were Robyn what would you like to see.
I'll keep notes.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 6, 2018 2:58:31 GMT -5
A player proves they deserve playing time in a match during practice. A player also improves in practice, not so much in game situations. That goes for all sports. No respectable coach will just put in a player, just to give that player playing time. Not once did the PSU, Stanford, or even the Nebraska Head Coaches clear their bench just to give players playing time. Let me tell you, there were matches when they could have. Castaneda showed on those times when Robyn did put her in, she was not ready for D1 competition. She seemed quite lost. Castaneda is a player, that can be classified as a project. Then again, going through Spring Practice, she could surprise next year. I for one, would not be surprised, if she turns out to be one of the surprise players next year. Hambly did when they played West Virginia in the pre-season and when they played Alabama State in the first round last week. In the game against Alabama State, in addition to playing all the players who rarely see action, he also had Fitz serve and hit from the back, which she rarely does. Fidelek (who has only played against W. Virginia and Alabama State this season) played all around even though she's an opposite and will probably not play in the back row if she ever comes in due to injury. (She's a lefty opposite and we have two excellent OHs coming in next season so she is very unlikely to ever play any other position. They want Formico to play back row so she has to come in for someone and it's not likely to be for McClure or Plummer.) He had Bowen play against Oregon State earlier this season (presumably for game experience) and that paid off when Alade got injured and Bowen had to play more often. Guessing, you should take over being the Head Coach of the Wahine. That way you can play every one on the roster every match. Never be concerned about winning, or losing a match. Just being able to play everyone on the roster, would be your main purpose as Head Coach. |
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Post by haw2991 on Dec 6, 2018 3:17:23 GMT -5
10 months away from the new season and the bickering already begins....
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Post by raian13 on Dec 6, 2018 3:21:16 GMT -5
Hambly did when they played West Virginia in the pre-season and when they played Alabama State in the first round last week. In the game against Alabama State, in addition to playing all the players who rarely see action, he also had Fitz serve and hit from the back, which she rarely does. Fidelek (who has only played against W. Virginia and Alabama State this season) played all around even though she's an opposite and will probably not play in the back row if she ever comes in due to injury. (She's a lefty opposite and we have two excellent OHs coming in next season so she is very unlikely to ever play any other position. They want Formico to play back row so she has to come in for someone and it's not likely to be for McClure or Plummer.) He had Bowen play against Oregon State earlier this season (presumably for game experience) and that paid off when Alade got injured and Bowen had to play more often. Guessing, you should take over being the Head Coach of the Wahine. That way you can play every one on the roster every match. Never be concerned about winning, or losing a match. Just being able to play everyone on the roster, would be your main purpose as Head Coach. Really, how deep was the Wahine’s roster this season that she opted not to use everyone on the bench even when the starters were playing at their worst? It seems as if she just wasted her redshirt year so that she has one less season left and get rid of her a year earlier? It’s like to the point of giving her a hint to just transfer out because her “recruiting class” is coming. Even Gong had more substantial playing time than her. |
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Post by dd2000 on Dec 6, 2018 6:30:09 GMT -5
Everyone calm down. Do not speak highly of these incoming recruits just yet. High school is nothing like DI collegiate volleyball. Unless they’re KP type of talent their credentials are still in question. So much of these Future AA, sure-starter predictions. I understand these incoming recruits will be Raw, when it comes to collegiate volleyball. But they all have a solid base to work off of. If they all work hard, in the gym, and under the tutelage of Robyn and Angelica, I can see all of them attaining All-American status sometime during their career. But the key is, that want to. Wanting to become the best they can be, not afraid of working hard in the gym, to attain that goal. You need a vacation. Get away. Relax. Take your mind off things. |
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Post by baytree on Dec 6, 2018 11:59:01 GMT -5
Hambly did when they played West Virginia in the pre-season and when they played Alabama State in the first round last week. In the game against Alabama State, in addition to playing all the players who rarely see action, he also had Fitz serve and hit from the back, which she rarely does. Fidelek (who has only played against W. Virginia and Alabama State this season) played all around even though she's an opposite and will probably not play in the back row if she ever comes in due to injury. (She's a lefty opposite and we have two excellent OHs coming in next season so she is very unlikely to ever play any other position. They want Formico to play back row so she has to come in for someone and it's not likely to be for McClure or Plummer.) He had Bowen play against Oregon State earlier this season (presumably for game experience) and that paid off when Alade got injured and Bowen had to play more often. Guessing, you should take over being the Head Coach of the Wahine. That way you can play every one on the roster every match. Never be concerned about winning, or losing a match. Just being able to play everyone on the roster, would be your main purpose as Head Coach. It seems like you're the one who thinks he should be the coach. You said something that I knew was incorrect. (The info about the other programs may be incorrect too but I don't follow those programs so I don't know.) I gave the correct info. As usual, you deflect and change the subject instead of admitting that you were wrong. Edit to add: You not only deflect, you try to insult me by using more made up stuff. Why make this personal? You made a mistake. Admit it and move on. |
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Post by madonna on Dec 6, 2018 12:54:43 GMT -5
I'll be curious at the beginning of the season (2019). Then I'll see where the Wahine takes me for the rest of the season. 2020 season is the one I am more anxious about.
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