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Post by Timeless on Dec 9, 2018 3:19:04 GMT -5
I hope RAMS was watching that BYU v Texas match. RJP reminds me of Danielson on ugh I’m sorry but no more 6’0 outsiders who can barely jump but rather have athletic freaks like RJP and presslt thar are teachable |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2018 3:57:32 GMT -5
Hanna Hellvig Highlights from the 2018 NEVZA championship match. From the footage, I can tell that she will start. She reminds me of Kalei Greeley. She can pass and hit from the back row. She needs to work on her passing and floor defense. Her shot selection needs work as she hit into the small block several times. I don't think I saw a lot of great finesse shots and she had zero line drives. I'm sure Robyn & Co can work on her shots and defense. Hellvig got tired and was yanked in the 2nd set, but I'm sure that she can work on her strength and conditioning at UH too. If you look at her 4th set, she was a beast! Looks like Robyn will have two Outside Hitters who can play all the way around, in Riley Wagoner, and Hanna Hellvig. That means, back row attacks will be an IN thing again, for the next 4 years. Riley Wagoner reminds me of Kalei Greeley, whereas Hanna Hellvig reminds me of Emily Hartong. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2018 4:19:23 GMT -5
I do not believe Robyn will be carrying that many DS/L like Dave did. Instead, I see Robyn filling those spots with OH/OPP's, and Middles. Cause it seems like Robyn is only going after OH/OPP's who are capable of playing all the way around.
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Post by raian13 on Dec 9, 2018 13:51:59 GMT -5
Hanna Hellvig Highlights from the 2018 NEVZA championship match. From the footage, I can tell that she will start. She reminds me of Kalei Greeley. She can pass and hit from the back row. She needs to work on her passing and floor defense. Her shot selection needs work as she hit into the small block several times. I don't think I saw a lot of great finesse shots and she had zero line drives. I'm sure Robyn & Co can work on her shots and defense. Hellvig got tired and was yanked in the 2nd set, but I'm sure that she can work on her strength and conditioning at UH too. If you look at her 4th set, she was a beast! Looks like Robyn will have two Outside Hitters who can play all the way around, in Riley Wagoner, and Hanna Hellvig. That means, back row attacks will be an IN thing again, for the next 4 years. Riley Wagoner reminds me of Kalei Greeley, whereas Hanna Hellvig reminds me of Emily Hartong. This doesnt confirm Hellvig’ commitment right? |
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Dec 9, 2018 14:32:41 GMT -5
I do not believe Robyn will be carrying that many DS/L like Dave did. Instead, I see Robyn filling those spots with OH/OPP's, and Middles. Cause it seems like Robyn is only going after OH/OPP's who are capable of playing all the way around. you do realize those were mainly walkon spots? |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Dec 9, 2018 15:01:04 GMT -5
I do not believe Robyn will be carrying that many DS/L like Dave did. Instead, I see Robyn filling those spots with OH/OPP's, and Middles. Cause it seems like Robyn is only going after OH/OPP's who are capable of playing all the way around. Traditionally, only a few libs were offered scholie's. Out of high school, Elizabeth Ka'aihu'e was the first lib a scholie was given too. And prior to the libero position, most DS's were given financial help through other types of scholie money. Now, the walk-on DS's otherwise are given the same type of stipend and training table allowances (it wasn't that way before). For most D1 players, the benefit in being on a team is about future networking and prestige to parlay a career from it. Even if you were a DS walk-on, there is a lot of opportunities to be had using that experience. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2018 15:26:09 GMT -5
I do not believe Robyn will be carrying that many DS/L like Dave did. Instead, I see Robyn filling those spots with OH/OPP's, and Middles. Cause it seems like Robyn is only going after OH/OPP's who are capable of playing all the way around. you do realize those were mainly walkon spots? Yes, I do. What I am thinking is, those walkon DS/L spots will be filled by project Middle, and OH/OPP Hitters, instead. Have those project Middle(s), and/or OH/OPP Hitters walkon, then when they can actually contribute to the team award them a scholarship. |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 9, 2018 15:49:19 GMT -5
you do realize those were mainly walkon spots? Yes, I do. What I am thinking is, those walkon DS/L spots will be filled by project Middle, and OH/OPP Hitters, instead. Have those project Middle(s), and/or OH/OPP Hitters walkon, then when they can actually contribute to the team award them a scholarship. Can you make up your mind (if you have one)? First you say that Robyn doesn't do projects, then you suggest she load up on middles and attackers who can't even earn a D1 scholarship. It's obvious that you don't really know anything about volleyball. |
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Post by baytree on Dec 9, 2018 15:49:52 GMT -5
It would be interesting if Robyn took Hawaii in the opposite direction of every other program which seems to value serve and serve receive very highly. Not having good DSes (serve receive and digs) and emphasizing hitters even more than most programs would set Hawaii apart from others. If I understand this correctly, you're kind of telling anyone who isn't at least 6' or 6'1" to not bother applying (except one libero every 3-4 years) regardless of how good a player she is, since many DSes are former OHs who were too short. I'd think you'd want at least 1 or 2 DSes just to be a backup in case the libero goes down. If you have two, that's pretty much what most programs do.
If your libero is excellent and stays healthy, no DS might work. It seems very risky, though.
Edit to add: I don't think there is always a huge difference between the defensive abilities of a DS and the opposite that she replaces. That's why it might work (assuming that everyone stays healthy). E.g., if Iosia had only been an opposite, I think she probably would have been ok in the back row. Okino was better but by how much? Fitzmorris was very good in the back row in high school (though not in D1 bc she lacks the experience there). Formico is better but if Fitz had always played all around at Stanford, how much better would Formico be? I do think that DSes are generally better at serve receive/floor defense than opposites, both bc they made the team bc of their digging and serve receive abilities (rather than blocking and hitting abilities) and bc that's all they focus on in college. But you do get an extra weapon by having your opposite play all the way around.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2018 15:55:55 GMT -5
Yes, I do. What I am thinking is, those walkon DS/L spots will be filled by project Middle, and OH/OPP Hitters, instead. Have those project Middle(s), and/or OH/OPP Hitters walkon, then when they can actually contribute to the team award them a scholarship. Can you make up your mind (if you have one)? First you say that Robyn doesn't do projects, then you suggest she load up on middles and attackers who can't even earn a D1 scholarship. It's obvious that you don't really know anything about volleyball. Do not believe, Robyn would give a scholarship to a project Middle, and/or OH/OPP, is what I mean. Robyn will only award scholarships to those who are capable of starting. |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 9, 2018 16:10:33 GMT -5
Can you make up your mind (if you have one)? First you say that Robyn doesn't do projects, then you suggest she load up on middles and attackers who can't even earn a D1 scholarship. It's obvious that you don't really know anything about volleyball. Do not believe, Robyn would give a scholarship to a project Middle, and/or OH/OPP, is what I mean. Robyn will only award scholarships to those who are capable of starting. Robyn is like every other coach. She will offer scholarships to the best players she can find that fit her criteria. She may be holding back a few scholarships right now so that she has one available for when the right player comes along or as she transitions to bringing in her own recruiting classes (she is entering her 3rd year now--she's actually a season behind the curve in that regard), but she won't be able to continue doing that much longer if she wants a smooth recruiting flow from class to class. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2018 16:25:07 GMT -5
What people have to remember, the majority of Robyn's volleyball career revolved around playing on the U.S. Olympic Team. The U.S. Olympic Teams she played on did not have many DS/L players. Those teams were made up of mostly Middles, and OH/OPP hitters. All those OH/OPP Hitters were able to play all the way around, so no real need to have many DS's, on the team. I know, all of you will say, those players were outstanding. But the logic, and team makeup, is what Robyn knows works. That is the team makeup, Robyn wants the Wahine team to have, in my opinion.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 9, 2018 16:31:34 GMT -5
What people have to remember, the majority of Robyn's volleyball career revolved around playing on the U.S. Olympic Team. The U.S. Olympic Teams she played on did not have many DS/L players. Those teams were made up of mostly Middles, and OH/OPP hitters. All those OH/OPP Hitters were able to play all the way around, so no real need to have many DS's, on the team. I know, all of you will say, those players were outstanding. But the logic, and team makeup, is what Robyn knows works. That is the team makeup, Robyn wants the Wahine team to have, in my opinion. What you have to remember is that the reason the team make-up of the international teams is like that (i.e. attackers needing to pass and play all the way around) is that there are far fewer substitutions allowed internationally than in the NCAA. Robyn is not going to model her roster on international rules when those rules don't apply in college. That would be dumb. |
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Post by baytree on Dec 9, 2018 16:34:44 GMT -5
What people have to remember, the majority of Robyn's volleyball career revolved around playing on the U.S. Olympic Team. The U.S. Olympic Teams she played on did not have many DS/L players. Those teams were made up of mostly Middles, and OH/OPP hitters. All those OH/OPP Hitters were able to play all the way around, so no real need to have many DS's, on the team. I know, all of you will say, those players were outstanding. But the logic, and team makeup, is what Robyn knows works. That is the team makeup, Robyn wants the Wahine team to have, in my opinion. That's what happens when you have different sub rules. If you have fewer substitutions allowed (like when Robyn played for the US team), you're going to use fewer DSes. In today's NCAA game, almost all coaches use a DS instead of an opposite or OH (less common but not rare). It's a way to maximize the likelihood of scoring points, at least in most coachs' opinion. If your DS is better at serve receive/digging than your opposite/OH (and if the probable points lost from having the opp/OH play all around instead of the DS exceeds the probable points from that opp/OH scoring from the back), it makes sense to let the DS play in the back instead of the opp/OH. It doesn't have that much to do with the opposite/OH being able to play all around, although it does encourage MBs and Opps to specialize and either ignore back row play or emphasize it less. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2018 16:49:00 GMT -5
What people have to remember, the majority of Robyn's volleyball career revolved around playing on the U.S. Olympic Team. The U.S. Olympic Teams she played on did not have many DS/L players. Those teams were made up of mostly Middles, and OH/OPP hitters. All those OH/OPP Hitters were able to play all the way around, so no real need to have many DS's, on the team. I know, all of you will say, those players were outstanding. But the logic, and team makeup, is what Robyn knows works. That is the team makeup, Robyn wants the Wahine team to have, in my opinion. That's what happens when you have different sub rules. If you have fewer substitutions allowed (like when Robyn played for the US team), you're going to use fewer DSes. In today's NCAA game, almost all coaches use a DS instead of an opposite or OH (less common but not rare). It's a way to maximize the likelihood of scoring points, at least in most coachs' opinion. If your DS is better at serve receive/digging than your opposite/OH (and if the probable points lost from having the opp/OH play all around instead of the DS exceeds the probable points from that opp/OH scoring from the back), it makes sense to let the DS play in the back instead of the opp/OH. It doesn't have that much to do with the opposite/OH being able to play all around, although it does encourage MBs and Opps to specialize and either ignore back row play or emphasize it less. On the other hand, when you have OH/OPP hitters that are capable of playing all the way around, it diversifies your offensive weapons. Now the "D" set comes into play, also the "pike" set, too. Whereas, when you sub in a DS for an OH, and/or OPP, those kinds of sets do not come into play, at all. The setter is limited to who she can set to. |
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