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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2018 17:37:43 GMT -5
Part of the reason I'd consider keeping Westerberg at opposite (if she shows capability there), is she may be our best terminator. If she were to stay in the middle, we'd lose her for three rotations on the bench. If she plays opposite she could be available to hit the D set and pipe set out of the back row, which means she's always an option, ala Nikky Taylor. Now, before all the critics here get upset, I am WELL-AWARE this is just assumptions. But as a player and coach at the HS and club, and overall fan of the game for years, I know a hitter when I see one, and Westerberg is someone hawaii may need on the floor for six-rotations. And no, she would not pass. In your last sentence, do you actually mean, receive, as in serve/receive. If she plays the back row, she will have to pass at some point. |
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Post by brooselee on Dec 9, 2018 17:47:10 GMT -5
Part of the reason I'd consider keeping Westerberg at opposite (if she shows capability there), is she may be our best terminator. If she were to stay in the middle, we'd lose her for three rotations on the bench. If she plays opposite she could be available to hit the D set and pipe set out of the back row, which means she's always an option, ala Nikky Taylor. Now, before all the critics here get upset, I am WELL-AWARE this is just assumptions. But as a player and coach at the HS and club, and overall fan of the game for years, I know a hitter when I see one, and Westerberg is someone hawaii may need on the floor for six-rotations. And no, she would not pass. In your last sentence, do you actually mean, receive, as in serve/receive. If she plays the back row, she will have to pass at some point. I don’t think that is necessarily true. You can play six rotation and not pass. Nicki Taylor never passed. Our OPP for our men’s team doesn’t pass. You definitely have to play defense and DIG balls but you don’t have to be in the passing rotation. If UH have Hellvig and Wagoner in the line up along with Okino, Westerberg does not have to pass. Both Wagoner and Hellvig are 6 rotation players so they will be in all rotations. Okino will leave the floor when the MB serve. Once that MB finishes her turn serving, Okino comes back in. No need for Westerberg to passing. Riobyn may even go to a two many passing rotation at times so I honestly don’t know see the need for Westerberg to pass. If I’m not mistaken, passing falls under an offensive stats. Digging is a defensive stats. A 6 rotation OPP doesn’t need to pass but does need to dig balls. |
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Post by practicesafesets on Dec 9, 2018 17:47:29 GMT -5
Thank you for the video on Hellvig, first I've seen. Love what I saw. I like that the highlights included even her "off" plays versus just her highlights (like the Westerberg one). Hellvig and Wagoner have the tools to play all six rotations. Good instincts from the back row... and they can pass, serve and play defense - HUGE. Hellvig seems to have more pop than Wagoner though. But I like these two outsides. I agree with the poster that compared them to Greeley (Wagoner) and Hartong (Hellvig). Not saying they are at that level, but the potential of their game seems to liken to those two. Hellvig really brings an exclamation point to the five recruits for me. She's a good one. You're Welcome! I have to admit, I did exclude Hellvig's shanked balls from the video, because Norway served her A LOT but her passing is still good. One thing that came to mind about Hellvig is her serving, she had an ace per set vs Norway and even aced their libero 2 or 3 times. With all of the footage of Hellvig, I have to conclude that she is the most likely freshman to start. I feel like I need a highlight of Riley Wagoner when she played Texas Advantage for a championship but that footage is old. |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 9, 2018 17:51:46 GMT -5
Hellvig is a nice player and good get, but it's too bad they don't have In-N-Out in Hawai'i cuz that girl needs a burger (or two).
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Post by kolohekeiki on Dec 9, 2018 17:51:55 GMT -5
Part of the reason I'd consider keeping Westerberg at opposite (if she shows capability there), is she may be our best terminator. If she were to stay in the middle, we'd lose her for three rotations on the bench. If she plays opposite she could be available to hit the D set and pipe set out of the back row, which means she's always an option, ala Nikky Taylor. Now, before all the critics here get upset, I am WELL-AWARE this is just assumptions. But as a player and coach at the HS and club, and overall fan of the game for years, I know a hitter when I see one, and Westerberg is someone hawaii may need on the floor for six-rotations. And no, she would not pass. In your last sentence, do you actually mean, receive, as in serve/receive. If she plays the back row, she will have to pass at some point. No a six rotation opposite does not need to pass at some point, there's always a way to shift or change up the passing pattern so your opposite does not need to pass |
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Post by baytree on Dec 9, 2018 17:53:52 GMT -5
In your last sentence, do you actually mean, receive, as in serve/receive. If she plays the back row, she will have to pass at some point. I don’t think that is necessarily true. You can play six rotation and not pass. Nicki Taylor never passed. Our OPP for our men’s team doesn’t pass. You definitely have to play defense and DIG balls but you don’t have to be in the passing rotation. If I’m not mistaken, passing falls under an offensive stats. Digging is a defensive stats. A 6 rotation OPP doesn’t need to pass but does need to dig balls. They don't have to but if they can't, you have to hide them and they can be targeted in serving. You also need a better libero (generally) bc she'll need to cover more of the court. That's easier in the men's game bc they have two liberos. It is a liability to have a back row player who can't pass. Whether their hitting makes it worth the trade-off obviously depends on the player (plus the other players on the team). |
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Post by brooselee on Dec 9, 2018 18:03:34 GMT -5
I don’t think that is necessarily true. You can play six rotation and not pass. Nicki Taylor never passed. Our OPP for our men’s team doesn’t pass. You definitely have to play defense and DIG balls but you don’t have to be in the passing rotation. If I’m not mistaken, passing falls under an offensive stats. Digging is a defensive stats. A 6 rotation OPP doesn’t need to pass but does need to dig balls. They don't have to but if they can't, you have to hide them and they can be targeted in serving. You also need a better libero (generally) bc she'll need to cover more of the court. That's easier in the men's game bc they have two liberos. It is a liability to have a back row player who can't pass. Whether their hitting makes it worth the trade-off obviously depends on the player (plus the other players on the team). I believe Riley can pass in a two many passing rotation. I have seen footage of her passing in that formation so that can be done. Of course, that is not ideal but if Westerberg cannot effectively pass, then it’s counterproductive to put her in the passing rotation just to fill the holes. Better off use a two man passing rotation and take your chance with that. |
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Post by baytree on Dec 9, 2018 18:14:46 GMT -5
They don't have to but if they can't, you have to hide them and they can be targeted in serving. You also need a better libero (generally) bc she'll need to cover more of the court. That's easier in the men's game bc they have two liberos. It is a liability to have a back row player who can't pass. Whether their hitting makes it worth the trade-off obviously depends on the player (plus the other players on the team). I believe Riley can pass in a two many passing rotation. I have seen footage of her passing in that formation so that can be done. Of course, that is not ideal but if Westerberg cannot effectively pass, then it’s counterproductive to put her in the passing rotation just to fill the holes. Better off use a two man passing rotation and take your chance with that. Depends on what you want to do and how bad Westerberg is. We don't know how well Riley can pass in college. If you're planning on having her play all 6 rotations all four years, it would probably be better to just take your lumps the first year and have her pass. It's going to be a young team anyway, not a "go deep in the tourney" team. Teams still take advantage of Kathryn Plummer even though she's a top beach player and her passing is good at this point but it's much better than when they hid her a lot. It will be exploitable (and, no offense, but I doubt Westerberg will be as good as KP). I'm in the "don't count your chickens" camp. Let's wait and see how all the players are once they start playing in college before we decide exactly where they're going to play, how many rotations they'll play, who will sub for them (or cover in the back row). |
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Post by brooselee on Dec 9, 2018 18:49:48 GMT -5
One thing I like about our two OH recruits are they are more well rounded. Trinity came into the program with a lot of offensive numbers but could not pass and never really saw many highlights of her hitting the piple. Riley and Hanna can both do that and also have better ball control.
If Trinity or any of the other OHs want to play, they are going to have to learn to pass. I don't think Robyn is going to go with one dimensional OHs anymore. If you can hit but cannot do much else, your role will be limited.
Being well rounded will keep you in the game. A well rounded player can struggle in phase of the game but can excel in another will remain on the court. One dimensional players who struggle at their one skill is useless to the team. If you can only hit and your hitting is not there, you basically hurting the team.
BTW...for a ""skinny girl" Hellvig hits pretty hard. Seems to have better skill set than Casey.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2018 18:54:31 GMT -5
If you people are talking passing, as in receiving a serve, I totally agree. You can hide the OPP behind those players that are situated to receive a serve. I thought you people were talking passing as it referred to as digging. My fault for misunderstanding. I always constituted receiving as receiving a serve, and passing, the same as digging.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2018 18:57:11 GMT -5
One thing I like about our two OH recruits are they are more well rounded. Trinity came into the program with a lot of offensive numbers but could not pass and never really saw many highlights of her hitting the piple. Riley and Hanna can both do that and also have better ball control. If Trinity or any of the other OHs want to play, they are going to have to learn to pass. I don't think Robyn is going to go with one dimensional OHs anymore. If you can hit but cannot do much else, your role will be limited. Being well rounded will keep you in the game. A well rounded player can struggle in phase of the game but can excel in another will remain on the court. One dimensional players who struggle at their one skill is useless to the team. If you can only hit and your hitting is not there, you basically hurting the team. If Trinity, cannot learn to pass then she better learn to play OPPOSITE, if she wants to see court time. Just like Sibley is supposedly doing. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2018 19:04:06 GMT -5
I believe Riley can pass in a two many passing rotation. I have seen footage of her passing in that formation so that can be done. Of course, that is not ideal but if Westerberg cannot effectively pass, then it’s counterproductive to put her in the passing rotation just to fill the holes. Better off use a two man passing rotation and take your chance with that. Depends on what you want to do and how bad Westerberg is. We don't know how well Riley can pass in college. If you're planning on having her play all 6 rotations all four years, it would probably be better to just take your lumps the first year and have her pass. It's going to be a young team anyway, not a "go deep in the tourney" team. Teams still take advantage of Kathryn Plummer even though she's a top beach player and her passing is good at this point but it's much better than when they hid her a lot. It will be exploitable (and, no offense, but I doubt Westerberg will be as good as KP). I'm in the "don't count your chickens" camp. Let's wait and see how all the players are once they start playing in college before we decide exactly where they're going to play, how many rotations they'll play, who will sub for them (or cover in the back row). Let me just add, Robyn and Angelica, have seen both players in action. If either of them did not believe either player could pass at the college level, from the very start, I do not believe they would have made offers to either one. So I am trusting both Robyn's and Angelica's insight on both players. For that matter even Westerberg and Akana, also. None of us have actually seen Hellvig, or Wagoner play, like Robyn and Angelica have. |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 9, 2018 19:07:02 GMT -5
If you people are talking passing, as in receiving a serve, I totally agree. You can hide the OPP behind those players that are situated to receive a serve. I thought you people were talking passing as it referred to as digging. My fault for misunderstanding. I always constituted receiving as receiving a serve, and passing, the same as digging. You pass a serve or a free ball, and you dig an attack (to target, hopefully, meaning close to the setter). |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2018 19:07:08 GMT -5
They don't have to but if they can't, you have to hide them and they can be targeted in serving. You also need a better libero (generally) bc she'll need to cover more of the court. That's easier in the men's game bc they have two liberos. It is a liability to have a back row player who can't pass. Whether their hitting makes it worth the trade-off obviously depends on the player (plus the other players on the team). I believe Riley can pass in a two many passing rotation. I have seen footage of her passing in that formation so that can be done. Of course, that is not ideal but if Westerberg cannot effectively pass, then it’s counterproductive to put her in the passing rotation just to fill the holes. Better off use a two man passing rotation and take your chance with that. Like others have mentioned, you can hide Westerberg, even in a 3 person passing formation. Stanford does that a lot with Plummer. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2018 19:09:27 GMT -5
If you people are talking passing, as in receiving a serve, I totally agree. You can hide the OPP behind those players that are situated to receive a serve. I thought you people were talking passing as it referred to as digging. My fault for misunderstanding. I always constituted receiving as receiving a serve, and passing, the same as digging. You pass a serve or a free ball, and you dig an attack (to target, hopefully, meaning close to the setter). Thank you for the explanation. But curious, why do they not call it serve/pass, instead of what they call it now, serve/receive? Just wondering. |
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