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Post by soljah808 on Dec 10, 2018 22:37:21 GMT -5
Westerberg looked slow of foot in that video, not much ability to better the ball if she didn't like the set. Not much OTT ability against the bigger block. She could hit hard but could still be dug, and didn't see her go high hands or try to tool. Didn't look like a good out of system option. She was blockable. In the middle, she was slow laterally and didn't see much vertical. There's potential, but may need a lot of hard work to realize it. Hope she reports in top condition, o/w predict those who do will see more court time next year. Got a kick out of the 'Academy' libero getting a yellow card in the third set after yelling 'C'mon!' at the up ref. A Westerberg bomb had been dug and then the "Thunder" back row had a loud double hit of a set from deep in the 1 zone to the OH. The Up Ref waved the libero over, made her raise her hand after issuing the yellow card, but then she walked away and kind of swagged and 'owned' it. Westerberg gave her some appreciation. i agree im not impressed Doesn't matter if she impresses you or not, it is ultimately Robyn's decision. And if I had to guess she is moving to Oppo. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 11, 2018 0:17:29 GMT -5
When you look at Westerberg, you have to look at her playing Middle, or Opposite. Disregard her defensive ability in the back row. Need to look at her potential Offensive, and Blocking, ability at both positions. Nikki Taylor was never an outstanding back row player, at most she was adequate. But she was an Outstanding Offensive, and Blocking, player. That is the way we have to look at Westerberg. Her potential Offensive and Blocking ability will out weigh her back row shortcomings. The same way, Dave Shoji overlooked Nikki Taylor's back row shortcomings.
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Post by pineappleexpress on Dec 11, 2018 1:27:47 GMT -5
Wow I can't believe what I'm reading!
The Thunder game was team loss.
In the carrier of a teenager that was a season ago.
Let's move forward.
I see a girl that took that loss and made it a way to get stronger better and become more fierce.
I personally can't wait to see the next level.
Praise Wahine Vball
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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 11, 2018 2:02:06 GMT -5
Nikki Taylor Senior > Nikki Taylor junior >>>>>>>> Nikki Taylor sophomore >> Nikki Taylor freshman Taylor made the biggest improvement from sophomore to junior year -- and it was an astounding improvement. I can barely remember Taylor as a freshman. Nikkis sophmore year was her “weakest” year, but that was that year she was getting better from her elbow injurt. Had she not been injured, she would of had a season like her junior year and been a 3 time AA |
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Post by goblin on Dec 11, 2018 17:40:17 GMT -5
My favorite memory of Nikki's freshman year was her very first match as a Wahine vs Texas. She hit for .500 with 10 kills and 6 blocks at OPP, Emily Hartong dropped 18 kills as the OH1. What a dynamic duo that was, they ended up winning that match in 4.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 11, 2018 23:58:52 GMT -5
My favorite memory of Nikki's freshman year was her very first match as a Wahine vs Texas. She hit for .500 with 10 kills and 6 blocks at OPP, Emily Hartong dropped 18 kills as the OH1. What a dynamic duo that was, they ended up winning that match in 4. That 2013 team had the potential to be SOOOO GOOOD. but I feel like those weird conference losses really got in their head and there was obvius chemistry issues |
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Post by raian13 on Dec 12, 2018 0:06:43 GMT -5
My favorite memory of Nikki's freshman year was her very first match as a Wahine vs Texas. She hit for .500 with 10 kills and 6 blocks at OPP, Emily Hartong dropped 18 kills as the OH1. What a dynamic duo that was, they ended up winning that match in 4. That 2013 team had the potential to be SOOOO GOOOD. but I feel like those weird conference losses really got in their head and there was obvius chemistry issues was it Croson’s last year as a Wahine? |
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Post by Seahawks 1972 on Dec 12, 2018 1:46:13 GMT -5
That 2013 team had the potential to be SOOOO GOOOD. but I feel like those weird conference losses really got in their head and there was obvius chemistry issues was it Croson’s last year as a Wahine? Jane was already gone by 2013. |
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Post by raian13 on Dec 12, 2018 2:03:46 GMT -5
was it Croson’s last year as a Wahine? Jane was already gone by 2013. Man I miss her pre-serve rituals and high toss. |
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Post by practicesafesets on Dec 12, 2018 2:33:10 GMT -5
That 2013 team had the potential to be SOOOO GOOOD. but I feel like those weird conference losses really got in their head and there was obvius chemistry issues was it Croson’s last year as a Wahine? It's been a while since Hawaii's had a top 10 recruit. I'm surprised that Iosia wasn't one. Iosia won the Andi Collins award for best senior HS setter. I like how Robyn & Co are going international to find good talent. One poster mentioned an international terminator hitter for 2020. |
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Post by 5100 on Dec 12, 2018 10:27:21 GMT -5
That's assuming your opposite is a Nikki Taylor-type who can consistently provide offense from the back row. I guess it all depends on your personnel. In 2002, Shoji used Hedder Ilustre to DS for Nohea Tano at OPP. Although Tano was an OK back row defender, UH's system then did not include the D-set, so there was no use letting her play all around with Ilustre available. I believe Iosia would have played all around if she was a full-time opposite. Looking at the past opposites and who were DSed out: 2017 - Koelsch (sometimes replaced by Ma'afala, sometimes played all around) 2014-2016 - Taylor (played all around) 2013 - Taylor (replaced by Mendoza) 2012 - Goodman/Kastl (replaced by Maeda) 2011 - Satele (replaced by Maeda) 2010 - Satele (played all around) 2007-2009 - Otineru (played all around) 2006 - Keefe/Kaufman (replaced by Duggins) 2005 - Boogaard (played all around) 2004 - Hittle (played all around) 2003 - Tano (played all around) 2002 - Tano/Boogaard (replaced by Ilustre) Besides the blake fiasco, wasnt maeda the full time libero in 2011? I believe Emily Maeda started more matches at Libero, but Blake was the starter for the majority of the conference season. IIRC, when Maeda was playing Libero, Satele was still subbed out for Alex Griffiths. |
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Post by 5100 on Dec 12, 2018 10:39:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the list. As to the highlighted, yes, it assumes that the opposite (or OH) is a back row weapon or else that she's better at passing/digging than the potential DS (plus the additional injury risk from more play time for your OH/opp is worth it). Otherwise, you'd use a DS. The real question here is whether you should go with no DSes (as proposed by wahinefan) and use all-around players instead. Would you get more points if you had good all-round players who could hit from anywhere or are you better off using DSes, even assuming that your OHes and Opp can play reasonably well in the back row (hitting or passing/digging). I don't think Hawaii has ever failed to use a DS in games but I have only been following for a few years. It would be very unconventional and, if you had 0 DSes, risky (bc what if your libero went down, was sick that game, etc.). I think it would be interesting to see it but only if you had players who were good in the back row as well as the front. I think that, for most teams, the DS would be better but I can envision teams that might be better off using no DS (though I would have at least one for a libero backup). If your DS is significantly better than your OHs, it makes sense to use a DS. If offense from the back row is a concern, perhaps you can train your DS to take swings from the back row, like McKenna Ross and the aforementioned Hedder Ilustre. A lot of DS were OHs in high school, anyway. Theoretically, if you had excellent all-around players, like in the international game, of course you use them all-around. But I would imagine that if the international game allowed for more subs, we'd see more DS. As for Hawai'i, their sub pattern depended on their personnel. There were seasons that they used a DS for three rotations, like we saw the past couple of years, and there were seasons when the DS was only used as a sub for the middle. |
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Post by raian13 on Dec 12, 2018 17:29:58 GMT -5
Kalei Greeley to Chaminade for grad school?
Will she play their too?
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Post by vballfreak808 on Dec 12, 2018 17:38:15 GMT -5
Kalei Greeley to Chaminade for grad school? Will she play their too? She has already been in grad school since she graduated from UH and she does not have anymore indoor eligibility leftover. |
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 12, 2018 17:40:57 GMT -5
Kalei Greeley must really love living in Hawaii.
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