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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Nov 20, 2019 10:20:56 GMT -5
still waiting on Brooklyn borum…. Virginia  umm.... whoa |
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Post by babybacksets on Nov 20, 2019 10:52:16 GMT -5
Not saying Miner doesn’t have the grades but there have definitely been recruits that have said no to that Stanford class load. Stanford gets the top STUDENT athletes I would imagine but there are definitely some players that are more athlete than student. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Stanford isn’t the Mecca of college volleyball. An underhand dig at a certain university, maybe? Not necessarily, I just don’t think Stanford is the end all be all for playing volleyball at a high level. They are a storied program and deserve all the accolades and then some, but let’s not pretend like haven’t had teams stacked with top recruits and still underperformed. Of grades and class load aren’t an issue for the athlete then yes Stanford should absolutely be the first choice, however it’s far from the “best choice” because that’s pretty subjective and won’t really be realized until the athlete is on campus and practicing. |
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Post by huskervolleyball on Nov 20, 2019 11:31:29 GMT -5
Damn did not see that coming from Borum. Good luck to her!
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Post by jcvball22 on Nov 20, 2019 11:51:16 GMT -5
Why the heck would you declare to be at UVA.....pretty much last in the ACC with Wake....guess their HC is trying to get some good recruits together. Good luck to them. Maybe because she likes the SCHOOL. You know, the reason they are going there. Crazy thought, I know. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Nov 20, 2019 11:54:44 GMT -5
An underhand dig at a certain university, maybe? Not necessarily, I just don’t think Stanford is the end all be all for playing volleyball at a high level. They are a storied program and deserve all the accolades and then some, but let’s not pretend like haven’t had teams stacked with top recruits and still underperformed. Of grades and class load aren’t an issue for the athlete then yes Stanford should absolutely be the first choice, however it’s far from the “best choice” because that’s pretty subjective and won’t really be realized until the athlete is on campus and practicing. Well, it's more than just volleyball. Not every athlete, in fact most athletes, are not going to have long professional careers as athletes when they graduate. But a degree from Stanford is going to take you a lot farther than most other schools. It opens doors. If a student athlete has the skills and academic ability, Stanford is a no-brainer. |
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Post by chisovnik on Nov 20, 2019 11:57:47 GMT -5
So the top 3 next year, in no particular order, are Orr, Miner, and...? Krause I find it very hard to believe that Francis won’t be top 3 in this class. |
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Post by vbstan123 on Nov 20, 2019 12:07:34 GMT -5
I find it very hard to believe that Francis won’t be top 3 in this class. I think Francis will almost certainly be top 5 but I think Krause is a bit higher. I think at this point in time she moves better and the fact that she can play 6 rotations is a plus over Francis. I also like Krause's college potential just a little bit more but both are great players. |
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Post by babybacksets on Nov 20, 2019 12:11:50 GMT -5
Not necessarily, I just don’t think Stanford is the end all be all for playing volleyball at a high level. They are a storied program and deserve all the accolades and then some, but let’s not pretend like haven’t had teams stacked with top recruits and still underperformed. Of grades and class load aren’t an issue for the athlete then yes Stanford should absolutely be the first choice, however it’s far from the “best choice” because that’s pretty subjective and won’t really be realized until the athlete is on campus and practicing. Well, it's more than just volleyball. Not every athlete, in fact most athletes, are not going to have long professional careers as athletes when they graduate. But a degree from Stanford is going to take you a lot farther than most other schools. It opens doors. If a student athlete has the skills and academic ability, Stanford is a no-brainer. Meh, I know quite a few underemployed Stanford grads so I’ve never bought into that statement that I see in hear a lot. I think connections get you satisfying careers and you can get connections anywhere. Maybe in the Boomer times a Stanford degree meant an automatic great career, but I am a firm believer that a students ability to make use of the academic and networking resources available to them at their respective school is what will lead them towards a fulfilling career. Luckily the good majority of Stanford students are smart and know this already so that discrepancy is not that easy to see. |
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Post by volleynerdmw on Nov 20, 2019 12:13:57 GMT -5
Why the heck would you declare to be at UVA.....pretty much last in the ACC with Wake....guess their HC is trying to get some good recruits together. Good luck to them. Maybe because she likes the SCHOOL. You know, the reason they are going there. Crazy thought, I know. UVA is high academics and a beautiful place so it's probably a great fit for her. UVA has a kid just like Brooklyn coming in 2020 OH Shaffer. Could be building something (can only go up) |
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Post by jcvball22 on Nov 20, 2019 12:21:28 GMT -5
Well, it's more than just volleyball. Not every athlete, in fact most athletes, are not going to have long professional careers as athletes when they graduate. But a degree from Stanford is going to take you a lot farther than most other schools. It opens doors. If a student athlete has the skills and academic ability, Stanford is a no-brainer. Meh, I know quite a few underemployed Stanford grads so I’ve never bought into that statement that I see in hear a lot. I think connections get you satisfying careers and you can get connections anywhere. Maybe in the Boomer times a Stanford degree meant an automatic great career, but I am a firm believer that a students ability to make use of the academic and networking resources available to them at their respective school is what will lead them towards a fulfilling career. Luckily the good majority of Stanford students are smart and know this already so that discrepancy is not that easy to see. I mean, I work with students every day on academic planning, undergraduate and graduate admissions, and long-term career and academic outcomes. Your "I know a few underemployed Stanford grads" ad hominem is not indicative of the likely outcomes or trends of gradautes. Stanford graduates have some of the highest employment upon graduation rates and earnings at the midpoint of their career of any school in the nation. And, as you put it, making use of resources on campus will lead to a great career, no kidding. But the networking and resources available at Stanford are absolutely incredible. Not to mention, an entire student population of the best, brightest, and most inspired students from around the world. Certainly makes a difference. But I just do this for a living. What do I know? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 12:22:49 GMT -5
Why the heck would you declare to be at UVA.....pretty much last in the ACC with Wake....guess their HC is trying to get some good recruits together. Good luck to them. Maybe because she likes the SCHOOL. You know, the reason they are going there. Crazy thought, I know. Virginia is a top 25 school for academics and is incredibly hard to get in to. Who wouldn't want to go there is the better question? Did you miss out on the whole "scandal" where rich parents were paying $500,000 just to get their kids into USC/WF etc? People value a great college education. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 12:28:06 GMT -5
Well, it's more than just volleyball. Not every athlete, in fact most athletes, are not going to have long professional careers as athletes when they graduate. But a degree from Stanford is going to take you a lot farther than most other schools. It opens doors. If a student athlete has the skills and academic ability, Stanford is a no-brainer. Meh, I know quite a few underemployed Stanford grads so I’ve never bought into that statement that I see in hear a lot. I think connections get you satisfying careers and you can get connections anywhere. Maybe in the Boomer times a Stanford degree meant an automatic great career, but I am a firm believer that a students ability to make use of the academic and networking resources available to them at their respective school is what will lead them towards a fulfilling career. Luckily the good majority of Stanford students are smart and know this already so that discrepancy is not that easy to see. If you had attended Stanford (and graduated) the statistics course that you were required to take would have explained to you why the statement above would make you appear foolish. "know quite a few" Pick any group of 220,000 people and make a broad statement about them because you "know quite a few".... |
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Post by babybacksets on Nov 20, 2019 13:31:06 GMT -5
Meh, I know quite a few underemployed Stanford grads so I’ve never bought into that statement that I see in hear a lot. I think connections get you satisfying careers and you can get connections anywhere. Maybe in the Boomer times a Stanford degree meant an automatic great career, but I am a firm believer that a students ability to make use of the academic and networking resources available to them at their respective school is what will lead them towards a fulfilling career. Luckily the good majority of Stanford students are smart and know this already so that discrepancy is not that easy to see. If you had attended Stanford (and graduated) the statistics course that you were required to take would have explained to you why the statement above would make you appear foolish. "know quite a few" Pick any group of 220,000 people and make a broad statement about them because you "know quite a few".... So statistically that puts me in the minority but that doesn’t mean that I said something false. Not denying Stanford is a great university and I’m sure if you are a grad you are well within your rights to your bias for your alma mater. Im just saying Stanford is not the only Mecca for volleyball and athletics. Please refrain from letting your “fanpersonism” get you all bent out of shape and calling people outside of their name/Volleytalk handle. Agree to disagree but don’t be a d!ck |
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Post by babybacksets on Nov 20, 2019 13:41:59 GMT -5
Meh, I know quite a few underemployed Stanford grads so I’ve never bought into that statement that I see in hear a lot. I think connections get you satisfying careers and you can get connections anywhere. Maybe in the Boomer times a Stanford degree meant an automatic great career, but I am a firm believer that a students ability to make use of the academic and networking resources available to them at their respective school is what will lead them towards a fulfilling career. Luckily the good majority of Stanford students are smart and know this already so that discrepancy is not that easy to see. I mean, I work with students every day on academic planning, undergraduate and graduate admissions, and long-term career and academic outcomes. Your "I know a few underemployed Stanford grads" ad hominem is not indicative of the likely outcomes or trends of gradautes. Stanford graduates have some of the highest employment upon graduation rates and earnings at the midpoint of their career of any school in the nation. And, as you put it, making use of resources on campus will lead to a great career, no kidding. But the networking and resources available at Stanford are absolutely incredible. Not to mention, an entire student population of the best, brightest, and most inspired students from around the world. Certainly makes a difference. But I just do this for a living. What do I know? Not sure what point you’re trying to make with detailing your knowledge via your career to me when all I see is a user on Volleytalk. Again I said “underemployed” not “unemployed”, I am not dismissing the worth of a Stanford education, I am saying that it IS possible for a player to get just as valuable of an education and athletic experience elsewhere in the country. Lol im sure the past few years Volleyball wise , Stanford fans are going to feel like they are the gold standard for athletic+academic experience+post grad opportunities but how much of that is truth and how much of that is conflated group ego 🤔🤔🤔 Either way it’s a non factor imo, players should go play where they want to play. Pursue what they want to pursue. Anything you or I say in favor or not of their choices is just nonsense VT banter and makes zero impact on the athletes decision and frankly doesn’t matter at all in the grand scheme of things. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Nov 20, 2019 13:52:49 GMT -5
I mean, I work with students every day on academic planning, undergraduate and graduate admissions, and long-term career and academic outcomes. Your "I know a few underemployed Stanford grads" ad hominem is not indicative of the likely outcomes or trends of gradautes. Stanford graduates have some of the highest employment upon graduation rates and earnings at the midpoint of their career of any school in the nation. And, as you put it, making use of resources on campus will lead to a great career, no kidding. But the networking and resources available at Stanford are absolutely incredible. Not to mention, an entire student population of the best, brightest, and most inspired students from around the world. Certainly makes a difference. But I just do this for a living. What do I know? Not sure what point you’re trying to make with detailing your knowledge via your career to me when all I see is a user on Volleytalk. Again I said “underemployed” not “unemployed”, I am not dismissing the worth of a Stanford education, I am saying that it IS possible for a player to get just as valuable of an education and athletic experience elsewhere in the country. Lol im sure the past few years Volleyball wise , Stanford fans are going to feel like they are the gold standard for athletic+academic experience+post grad opportunities but how much of that is truth and how much of that is conflated group ego 🤔🤔🤔 Either way it’s a non factor imo, players should go play where they want to play. Pursue what they want to pursue. Anything you or I say in favor or not of their choices is just nonsense VT banter and makes zero impact on the athletes decision and frankly doesn’t matter at all in the grand scheme of things. The point of my answer was that your assertion that it doesn't matter or that a degree from Stanford doesn't hold as much value as people think is incorrect. Of course, students are going to choose schools for a variety of reasons. However, rarely does a student that has the skills and academic ability to go to Stanford turn it down. Because the long-term outcomes are significant. I am a fan of a lot of programs. I didn't attend Stanford, but I do know what the outcomes look like for students that attend the school. |
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