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Post by n00b on Sept 8, 2020 15:27:40 GMT -5
Obviously, Stanford is a different beast in this regard, whether that is due to investment in their athletics, historic proximity to talent, or whatever the case may be. Maybe as Power 5, highly regarded private schools, Notre Dame, Duke, Northwestern and Vanderbilt should do much better in recruiting for volleyball than they do. They could, in theory, all be Stanford-light. I have always liked some players on Northwestern, just not enough of them in any given year. Duke does great in men's hoops and lacrosse, but I am not sure what else. Notre Dame lives and breathes football. So, it obviously CAN be done at those schools. Of course, to play Devil's Advocate (as I like to do...deal with it)....aren't we really splitting hairs on academic prestige when you compare the privates like Duke, Northwestern , Notre Dame and Vanderbilt to highly regarded publics like UCLA, UC-Berkley, Michigan, UVa, Wisconsin, Illinois, UNC, etc? Those schools can really bring it academically. Especially when we are talking about undergraduate education. Ask me about post-grad, Med School, Law School, etc. and I may have a different take. I think the whole academic prestige part hits it square on the nose. Undergrad doesn't really matter, especially in 2020. There are pretty much a handful of truly name brand schools that carry a bit higher "wow" factor when it comes to undergrad, but Duke, Northwestern, Notre Dame, and Vanderbilt aren't among them. I have a number of friends in recruiting for both Amazon and Microsoft and all have said that undergrad degrees don't really matter much across top 50 schools or so when it comes to their recruiting. Growing up, Duke and Notre Dame absolutely had a wow factor that big state schools didn't to me. Along with Stanford, they were THE schools that were both big time athletics and big time academics. Might depend on where you grow up. |
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 8, 2020 15:28:58 GMT -5
I think the whole academic prestige part hits it square on the nose. Undergrad doesn't really matter, especially in 2020. There are pretty much a handful of truly name brand schools that carry a bit higher "wow" factor when it comes to undergrad, but Duke, Northwestern, Notre Dame, and Vanderbilt aren't among them. I have a number of friends in recruiting for both Amazon and Microsoft and all have said that undergrad degrees don't really matter much across top 50 schools or so when it comes to their recruiting. Growing up, Duke and Notre Dame absolutely had a wow factor that big state schools didn't to me. Along with Stanford, they were THE schools that were both big time athletics and big time academics. Might depend on where you grow up. And when. I think Stanford still has the Wow factor pretty much nationally, Duke and Notre Dame, not so much. That's not to say that these aren't good schools (obviously they are), but I just don't think that people born after 1980 put those schools on as much of a pedestal as the prior generation. And, with good reason. There is nothing special about pretty much any of the schools, when compared to each other, for undergrad. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 8, 2020 15:32:28 GMT -5
Obviously, Stanford is a different beast in this regard, whether that is due to investment in their athletics, historic proximity to talent, or whatever the case may be. Maybe as Power 5, highly regarded private schools, Notre Dame, Duke, Northwestern and Vanderbilt should do much better in recruiting for volleyball than they do. They could, in theory, all be Stanford-light. I have always liked some players on Northwestern, just not enough of them in any given year. Duke does great in men's hoops and lacrosse, but I am not sure what else. Notre Dame lives and breathes football. So, it obviously CAN be done at those schools. Of course, to play Devil's Advocate (as I like to do...deal with it)....aren't we really splitting hairs on academic prestige when you compare the privates like Duke, Northwestern , Notre Dame and Vanderbilt to highly regarded publics like UCLA, UC-Berkley, Michigan, UVa, Wisconsin, Illinois, UNC, etc? Those schools can really bring it academically. Especially when we are talking about undergraduate education. Ask me about post-grad, Med School, Law School, etc. and I may have a different take. I think the whole academic prestige part hits it square on the nose. Undergrad doesn't really matter, especially in 2020. There are pretty much a handful of truly name brand schools that carry a bit higher "wow" factor when it comes to undergrad, but Duke, Northwestern, Notre Dame, and Vanderbilt aren't among them. I have a number of friends in recruiting for both Amazon and Microsoft and all have said that undergrad degrees don't really matter much across top 50 schools or so when it comes to their recruiting. According to the USN&WR ranking, only 25 of the top 50 ranked universities play D1 scholarship volleyball. Of those, Northwestern, Duke and Notre Dame are literally #2, #3 and #4 after Stanford. If Vanderbilt played VB they would be tied for #4. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 8, 2020 15:35:44 GMT -5
Ha. Just goes to show how little I pay attention to all but maybe 3 SEC schools in volleyball. I honestly did not even know that  I just assumed they were lousy like about 10 other SEC teams. Undefeated last season, though. So there's that. Didn't win a single conference match against those 10 lousy teams, though. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.  |
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 8, 2020 15:36:15 GMT -5
I think the whole academic prestige part hits it square on the nose. Undergrad doesn't really matter, especially in 2020. There are pretty much a handful of truly name brand schools that carry a bit higher "wow" factor when it comes to undergrad, but Duke, Northwestern, Notre Dame, and Vanderbilt aren't among them. I have a number of friends in recruiting for both Amazon and Microsoft and all have said that undergrad degrees don't really matter much across top 50 schools or so when it comes to their recruiting. According to the USN&WR ranking, only 25 of the top 50 ranked universities play D1 scholarship volleyball. Of those, Northwestern, Duke and Notre Dame are literally #2, #3 and #4 after Stanford. If Vanderbilt played VB they would be tied for #4. are you sure that number is right? that seems way too low. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 8, 2020 15:39:36 GMT -5
According to the USN&WR ranking, only 25 of the top 50 ranked universities play D1 scholarship volleyball. Of those, Northwestern, Duke and Notre Dame are literally #2, #3 and #4 after Stanford. If Vanderbilt played VB they would be tied for #4. are you sure that number is right? that seems way too low. 6 Stanford 9 Northwestern 10 Duke 15 Notre Dame 15 Vanderbilt Edit to add: Obviously different rankings have different results and people will argue at length why one is better than another. I picked USN&WR because it is well known and I could access the latest version for free. I just thought it was funny in regards to the 4 schools you named! |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 8, 2020 16:31:32 GMT -5
are you sure that number is right? that seems way too low. 6 Stanford 9 Northwestern 10 Duke 15 Notre Dame 15 Vanderbilt Edit to add: Obviously different rankings have different results and people will argue at length why one is better than another. I picked USN&WR because it is well known and I could access the latest version for free. I just thought it was funny in regards to the 4 schools you named! Those privates actually do have a national "wow" brand factor. Tech recruiting is a little different than other areas of the economy, so that may be why AY has the impression he does. I think people do overestimate the reach of their state school's reputation, even for highly ranked schools. Apart from Cal/UCLA/Michigan and maybe UVA (who do have a national academic brand) they are all very regional. I'm always a little surprised when I see rankings for schools like UNC / Wisconsin / Illinois so high. In major markets outside their region, they are not treated differently the way a Duke or NW or Vandy would be, and may be viewed as lesser than Local State Flagship. |
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 8, 2020 17:04:40 GMT -5
are you sure that number is right? that seems way too low. 6 Stanford 9 Northwestern 10 Duke 15 Notre Dame 15 Vanderbilt Edit to add: Obviously different rankings have different results and people will argue at length why one is better than another. I picked USN&WR because it is well known and I could access the latest version for free. I just thought it was funny in regards to the 4 schools you named! I meant the part of you saying that only 25 of the top 50 playing D1 volleyball. But I see you also included scholarship in your calculations so I suppose that could be right, especially given that the entire Ivy League don't give scholarships. |
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Post by Disc808 on Sept 8, 2020 17:33:27 GMT -5
I wouldn’t go so far out as to say undergrad doesn’t really matter. For IB/PE/etc. and consulting, if you attend a “target” school or “semi-target” school you’re going to have a leg up over the competition. For tech, it’s definitely a lot more about skill but it may be the case that on average, graduates from MIT, Stanford, etc. are going to excel more in interviews compared to state schools or wherever. So probably college prestige can help with great connections and getting your foot in the door but not super impactful for most career paths.
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 8, 2020 19:50:18 GMT -5
2020 Best National University Rankings6 Stanford 9 Northwestern 10 Duke 15 Notre Dame 15 Vanderbilt Edit to add: Obviously different rankings have different results and people will argue at length why one is better than another. I picked USN&WR because it is well known and I could access the latest version for free. I just thought it was funny in regards to the 4 schools you named! I meant the part of you saying that only 25 of the top 50 playing D1 volleyball. But I see you also included scholarship in your calculations so I suppose that could be right, especially given that the entire Ivy League don't give scholarships. Mea Culpa. There are 4 in the top 50 that I didn't realize were D1. Purely to save them embarrassment, I won't list them.  Yes, I included the Ivies since they are non-scholarship. The bulk of the non-scholarship D1 schools are from the Ivy League and the UAA, which each have all 8 members in the top 50, easily making them the #1 and #2 academic conferences. Outside of those 2 conferences, it is the Brain Bowl (MIT vs CIT, beaver on beaver violence), Johns Hopkins, Tufts and Rensselaer. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Sept 8, 2020 20:08:27 GMT -5
I meant the part of you saying that only 25 of the top 50 playing D1 volleyball. But I see you also included scholarship in your calculations so I suppose that could be right, especially given that the entire Ivy League don't give scholarships. Mea Culpa. There are 4 in the top 50 that I didn't realize were D1. Purely to save them embarrassment, I won't list them. Yes, I included the Ivies since they are non-scholarship. The bulk of the non-scholarship D1 schools are from the Ivy League and the UAA, which each have all 8 members in the top 50, easily making them the #1 and #2 academic conferences. Outside of those 2 conferences, it is the Brain Bowl (MIT vs CIT, beaver on beaver violence), Johns Hopkins, Tufts and Rensselaer. Just a minor point of clarification (and it may just be how you worded it), but the UAA is a Division 3 conference. Not non-scholarship D1. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 8, 2020 20:30:01 GMT -5
Mea Culpa. There are 4 in the top 50 that I didn't realize were D1. Purely to save them embarrassment, I won't list them. Yes, I included the Ivies since they are non-scholarship. The bulk of the non-scholarship D1 schools are from the Ivy League and the UAA, which each have all 8 members in the top 50, easily making them the #1 and #2 academic conferences. Outside of those 2 conferences, it is the Brain Bowl (MIT vs CIT, beaver on beaver violence), Johns Hopkins, Tufts and Rensselaer. Just a minor point of clarification (and it may just be how you worded it), but the UAA is a Division 3 conference. Not non-scholarship D1. Yes, I said that really poorly. I meant to say that (now 21) of the top 50 are somewhere below the scholarship D1 level. |
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I just assumed they were lousy like about 10 other SEC teams. Undefeated last season, though. So there's that.
