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Post by yupyupyup on Oct 19, 2018 11:25:50 GMT -5
Not sure if it’s Sullivan or more the system created at Texas. Texas doesn’t develop all around players. They will usually DS one or both OHs, and DS the RS. This leaves a high ball to the outside oos since that’s the only option. The reason they are competitive year in and year out is due to the caliber of athletes on the team, not because of their ability to develop within their system. Or maybe it's who they recruit and where they are with regard to those skills. White is as good as Foecke in the back row. Two big bangers...neither particularly skilled back row players when they started. Both progressed, but they're not Annika A because they never needed to be. I really don't think that TX and Sullivan couldn't develop passers...it's just not a skill every player possesses or can develop. Well back to the original question of who could be a possible future opposite and the op’s suggestion of Brionne Butler. Although, not in a serve receive rotation, the opppsite needs to have ball handling, defense, and passing skills to play at the next level. Does Brionne have that? According to SportyBucky, you either have it or you don’t. From what I’ve seen and the little sample size, Brionne has little ball control and passing skills. To me, Brionne is a middle and hopefully she will be kept there. I think Kathryn Plummer and Karsta Lowe should be considered the top 2 opposites with the most potential now. Would love Destinee back in there... but dead horse.
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Post by volleylbc on Oct 19, 2018 12:16:20 GMT -5
Or maybe it's who they recruit and where they are with regard to those skills. White is as good as Foecke in the back row. Two big bangers...neither particularly skilled back row players when they started. Both progressed, but they're not Annika A because they never needed to be. I really don't think that TX and Sullivan couldn't develop passers...it's just not a skill every player possesses or can develop. Well back to the original question of who could be a possible future opposite and the op’s suggestion of Brionne Butler. Although, not in a serve receive rotation, the opppsite needs to have ball handling, defense, and passing skills to play at the next level. Does Brionne have that? According to SportyBucky, you either have it or you don’t. From what I’ve seen and the little sample size, Brionne has little ball control and passing skills. To me, Brionne is a middle and hopefully she will be kept there. I think Kathryn Plummer and Karsta Lowe should be considered the top 2 opposites with the most potential now. Would love Destinee back in there... but dead horse. AMEN AMEN AMEN!!!!!!
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Post by VolleyTX on Oct 19, 2018 12:17:44 GMT -5
Watching the highlights of the Italy/China match...... I couldn't help but think that Karch threw away our own Egonu. We will never know the full extent to which Hooker "broke team rules", etc. Part of being a leader is finding a way to maneuver through difficult personalities. You are the leader.... you set the example..... you don't make your life easier by only selecting those that are "easy" to coach.
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Post by donut on Oct 19, 2018 12:20:21 GMT -5
I really don't understand this refusal to admit extraordinary players are just that. Do we go around asking why we don't have more Lebron Jameses? You put together the best team you can, develop the players as best you can, and then you play countries that are doing THE EXACT SAME THING. The USA is never going to dominate in volleyball. The rest of the world is too good. But, sure. Keep leaning on that panic button. Because NCAA stars (still in college or one year out) are the answer. And if only Plum was our setter ... etc. etc. This only bothers me because it denigrates the talented athletes busting their buns to medal for our country. I still don't understand why you're so sensitive about this. The fact all of us our spending our time tracking international volleyball matches assumes that we think they are phenomenal athletes - if we didn't, we wouldn't be watching the sport. Do we really need to qualify every criticism with "Lloyd is an outstanding athlete (do you remember when she was the 2010 NPOY omg?!) and works so hard and is a good blocker BUT..."? Seriously, trying to understand how to make you happy here. BTW, where are you in all of the college threads when posters are saying "Crouch is horrible," "Shook is overrated," "Densberger needs to be benched," "Pittman looks slower," etc. How are these critiques any different? I will speak for most posters here that we love USA volleyball. But these are grown women professionally playing this sport. Why shouldn't we evaluate their game or their coaches' strategy? Regardless if we are expected to "dominate," failing to make the final 4 of the tournament that we literally have been talking about since before the VNL (remember, that's why we took those vets there because we thought consistency and continuity was our key to winning the WCH?), when you are supposedly number 2 in the world, shouldn't warrant an "oh well." Hell, there wouldn't be much discussion if everyone took your approach - "it is what it is." This isn't a parent's booster "rah rah" club - it's a forum dedicated to volleyball.
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Post by kokyu on Oct 19, 2018 12:51:13 GMT -5
Or maybe it's who they recruit and where they are with regard to those skills. White is as good as Foecke in the back row. Two big bangers...neither particularly skilled back row players when they started. Both progressed, but they're not Annika A because they never needed to be. I really don't think that TX and Sullivan couldn't develop passers...it's just not a skill every player possesses or can develop. Well back to the original question of who could be a possible future opposite and the op’s suggestion of Brionne Butler. Although, not in a serve receive rotation, the opppsite needs to have ball handling, defense, and passing skills to play at the next level. Does Brionne have that? According to SportyBucky, you either have it or you don’t. From what I’ve seen and the little sample size, Brionne has little ball control and passing skills. To me, Brionne is a middle and hopefully she will be kept there. I think Kathryn Plummer and Karsta Lowe should be considered the top 2 opposites with the most potential now. Would love Destinee back in there... but dead horse. Why would you take 'advantage' of your sock account so soon? We deserve better trolling than this.
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Post by VolleyTX on Oct 19, 2018 12:52:15 GMT -5
I really don't understand this refusal to admit extraordinary players are just that. Do we go around asking why we don't have more Lebron Jameses? You put together the best team you can, develop the players as best you can, and then you play countries that are doing THE EXACT SAME THING. The USA is never going to dominate in volleyball. The rest of the world is too good. But, sure. Keep leaning on that panic button. Because NCAA stars (still in college or one year out) are the answer. And if only Plum was our setter ... etc. etc. This only bothers me because it denigrates the talented athletes busting their buns to medal for our country. I still don't understand why you're so sensitive about this. The fact all of us our spending our time tracking international volleyball matches assumes that we think they are phenomenal athletes - if we didn't, we wouldn't be watching the sport. Do we really need to qualify every criticism with "Lloyd is an outstanding athlete (do you remember when she was the 2010 NPOY omg?!) and works so hard and is a good blocker BUT..."? Seriously, trying to understand how to make you happy here. BTW, where are you in all of the college threads when posters are saying "Crouch is horrible," "Shook is overrated," "Atherton needs to be benched," "Pittman looks slower," etc. How are these critiques any different? I will speak for most posters here that we love USA volleyball. But these are grown women professionally playing this sport. Why shouldn't we evaluate their game or their coaches' strategy? Regardless if we are expected to "dominate," failing to make the final 4 of the tournament that we literally have been talking about since before the VNL (remember, that's why we took those vets there because we thought consistency and continuity was our key to winning the WCH?), when you are supposedly number 2 in the world, shouldn't warrant an "oh well." Hell, there wouldn't be much discussion if everyone took your approach - "it is what it is." This isn't a parent's booster "rah rah" club - it's a forum dedicated to volleyball. This times 1000! I tire so easily of all those posters just looking for a reason to get offended.
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Post by kokyu on Oct 19, 2018 12:53:29 GMT -5
]You've had your mind made up on Butler, so what was the point of this thread? No real discussion to be had with you on the OPP position. Agreed on Karch comments. RIF, CIF, and IQIF. I didn't know Butler's touch, and relative to Hooker's, till a Texas fan reminded me in this thread.
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 19, 2018 13:03:13 GMT -5
Or maybe it's who they recruit and where they are with regard to those skills. White is as good as Foecke in the back row. Two big bangers...neither particularly skilled back row players when they started. Both progressed, but they're not Annika A because they never needed to be. I really don't think that TX and Sullivan couldn't develop passers...it's just not a skill every player possesses or can develop. Well back to the original question of who could be a possible future opposite and the op’s suggestion of Brionne Butler. Although, not in a serve receive rotation, the opppsite needs to have ball handling, defense, and passing skills to play at the next level. Does Brionne have that? According to SportyBucky, you either have it or you don’t. From what I’ve seen and the little sample size, Brionne has little ball control and passing skills. To me, Brionne is a middle and hopefully she will be kept there. I think Kathryn Plummer and Karsta Lowe should be considered the top 2 opposites with the most potential now. Would love Destinee back in there... but dead horse. Don't put words in my mouth that I never said. I said you could develop them but not out of thin air. To expand, if you don't have basics, you don't develop later in life from scratch. Brionne does not have ball handling or defensive ability whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 13:17:07 GMT -5
I’d rather be where we’re at now with our team, than what’s going on at USA Gymnastics. This makes zero sense. No one is advocating for an abusive environment so that the team could win more. That isn't the choice here.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 19, 2018 13:17:59 GMT -5
I’d rather be where we’re at now with our team, than what’s going on at USA Gymnastics. This makes zero sense. No one is advocating for an abusive environment so that the team could win more. That isn't the choice here. Exactly. False dichotomies.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 19, 2018 13:19:12 GMT -5
I really don't understand this refusal to admit extraordinary players are just that. Do we go around asking why we don't have more Lebron Jameses? You put together the best team you can, develop the players as best you can, and then you play countries that are doing THE EXACT SAME THING. The USA is never going to dominate in volleyball. The rest of the world is too good. But, sure. Keep leaning on that panic button. Because NCAA stars (still in college or one year out) are the answer. And if only Plum was our setter ... etc. etc. This only bothers me because it denigrates the talented athletes busting their buns to medal for our country. I still don't understand why you're so sensitive about this. The fact all of us our spending our time tracking international volleyball matches assumes that we think they are phenomenal athletes - if we didn't, we wouldn't be watching the sport. Do we really need to qualify every criticism with "Lloyd is an outstanding athlete (do you remember when she was the 2010 NPOY omg?!) and works so hard and is a good blocker BUT..."? Seriously, trying to understand how to make you happy here. BTW, where are you in all of the college threads when posters are saying "Crouch is horrible," "Shook is overrated," "Atherton needs to be benched," "Pittman looks slower," etc. How are these critiques any different? I will speak for most posters here that we love USA volleyball. But these are grown women professionally playing this sport. Why shouldn't we evaluate their game or their coaches' strategy? Regardless if we are expected to "dominate," failing to make the final 4 of the tournament that we literally have been talking about since before the VNL (remember, that's why we took those vets there because we thought consistency and continuity was our key to winning the WCH?), when you are supposedly number 2 in the world, shouldn't warrant an "oh well." Hell, there wouldn't be much discussion if everyone took your approach - "it is what it is." This isn't a parent's booster "rah rah" club - it's a forum dedicated to volleyball. ... And we're not asking why we don't have more LeBron's, we're asking why our coaching staff thought it wasn't important to have a LeBron and didn't realize the job was to get the best talent to work together.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 13:20:12 GMT -5
Not sure if it’s Sullivan or more the system created at Texas. Texas doesn’t develop all around players. They will usually DS one or both OHs, and DS the RS. This leaves a high ball to the outside oos since that’s the only option. The reason they are competitive year in and year out is due to the caliber of athletes on the team, not because of their ability to develop within their system. White is as good as Foecke in the back row. No.
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 19, 2018 14:05:58 GMT -5
White is as good as Foecke in the back row. No. Maybe not, but it's not like either is good. Sun is better than Foecke and White was better than Sun. Transitive property, White is better than Foecke.
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Post by yupyupyup on Oct 19, 2018 14:29:44 GMT -5
Well back to the original question of who could be a possible future opposite and the op’s suggestion of Brionne Butler. Although, not in a serve receive rotation, the opppsite needs to have ball handling, defense, and passing skills to play at the next level. Does Brionne have that? According to SportyBucky, you either have it or you don’t. From what I’ve seen and the little sample size, Brionne has little ball control and passing skills. To me, Brionne is a middle and hopefully she will be kept there. I think Kathryn Plummer and Karsta Lowe should be considered the top 2 opposites with the most potential now. Would love Destinee back in there... but dead horse. Why would you take 'advantage' of your sock account so soon? We deserve better trolling than this. You think this is trolling? It’s more of a question on the realistic development potential of Brionne to play the opposite position. It’s brought up, so now we are talking about it. Should we just list athletes with incredible physical capabilities and that be the end of it? Is that all you think is required of an opposite? If you think Brionne could develop the necessary ball handling skills required of an international opposite, where do you think she will get that training? It won’t be Texas.
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Post by memorybankrupt on Oct 19, 2018 14:41:56 GMT -5
Has Butler trained at OPP? She jumps really high and hits super hard, but does she have range, the right arm swing, does she have the coordination to take OOS swings?
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