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Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 28, 2004 21:30:00 GMT -5
ok ok i'll give you that, however they aer hosting the regional which is even better. Let's be exact, they (Minn) does have a break somewhere along the path.
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Post by Gorf on Nov 28, 2004 21:37:36 GMT -5
ok ok i'll give you that, however they aer hosting the regional which is even better. Let's be exact, they (Minn) does have a break somewhere along the path. Since the regional sites were pre-selected you really can't use that as an advantage that wasn't already known before the the selections were announced. That past two years Hawaii was a top 4 seed and was allowed to host all four rounds before the finals. Minnesota is a top 4 seed in name only, just like Washington is the #7 seed in name only. The committee gave teams seeding that matches up with their self-imposed travel restrictions. I won't dispute that Hawaii earned the right to host the 1st / 2nd rounds. OTOH: The travel restriction issues were discussed in here before the selections were made so Hawaii be shipped out for those rounds though disheartening for the Wahine isn't really a total surprise.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 28, 2004 21:40:43 GMT -5
so about money, Hawaii will never jhost 1st and 2nds rounds again ever since NCAA won't spend the money to have three teams travel? That is bogus and you know it. They pull they money argument when convenient. Hawaii hosted 1st and 2nd rounds before. So itsnot like the NCAA couldnt already allow for that cost as they have had to do in past seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2004 21:42:28 GMT -5
Bash, bash, bash...
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Post by Gorf on Nov 28, 2004 21:44:27 GMT -5
I guess you'll have to get a Hawaii petition created, signed, and sent to the NCAA with your complaints.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 28, 2004 21:50:20 GMT -5
in Hawaii its called "shibai". When you are being lied to, to your face. Passing it off as the truth.
Of course its based on the belief that honesty and respectfulness is the bases in treatment for all.
Then again that's more of an eastern philosophy than western.
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Post by Gorf on Nov 29, 2004 7:24:02 GMT -5
in Hawaii its called "shibai". When you are being lied to, to your face. Passing it off as the truth. Of course its based on the belief that honesty and respectfulness is the bases in treatment for all. Then again that's more of an eastern philosophy than western. I find it amazing that you feel that everyone in the world is bashing Hawaii and feel the need to complain about it. then you spout "honesty and respectfulness is the bas(i)s in treatment for all", after doing your own share of bashing others on the board and the committee. Who was lied to by anyone? Was Hawaii given some sort of under the table deal before the selections were made that promised them they would be playing at home for the 1st / 2nd rounds? I somehow doubt that. If you're being lied to it is you telling yourself lies. Sure, the Wahine probably ought to have been allowed to host their 1st / 2nd round matches but it is highly unlikely that they were told by anyone other than themseves that they would host those round.
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Post by getarealitycheck on Nov 29, 2004 11:05:03 GMT -5
So it doesn't matter how strong a season schedule you set as a coach!
So - if I was stting up a schedule (not to include confer. games) I would set up the easiest teams I could get on my schedule to make it look like I have a awesome record.
selection comm. joke
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Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 29, 2004 12:03:07 GMT -5
ok for the dumbasses out there.
You think a team is goingto strive for a perfect season and not complain when they achieve it? Tell me bright one what would any team do? What makes you think that a team thats seeded say #12 should host a 1st and 2nd round over a team that is seeded #3? If you say its about money... fine, but if a team like Hawaii, which draws the most revenue would bid for the 1st and 2nd round, you still think that's unreasonable? And for the last time you moron. Hawaii had its schedule set at least a year in advance. on paper, the likes of Arizona and UCLA and even Pepperdine in one season doesnt scream cake walk to me regardless of where they played, also having two games scheduled away from home right after playing in your conferences' tournament without much of a break? And you think its about complaining?
No, its about rewarding.
You know anyone can see that there was no reward.
And if thats the case then why even strive for busting your ass?
If you honestly think the committee members' even know about Volleyball youre mistaken. They are adminstrator's who are responsible for women's sports of their institutions. For the most part its politics.
The point i'm making is, don't call it anything but the truth. Saying its a budget thing is stupid since Hawaii hosted sub regionals before, so the NCAA had to come up with some way for it to happen then.
And saying its their record...well being undefeated and ranked #1 plus a very high RKPI says it all.
If youre going to snub a team at least be honest about it.
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Post by GatorVball on Nov 29, 2004 12:21:19 GMT -5
So, I've had more time to think about it and look at the facts. The committee, plain and simple, is made up of f'n retards. There is no way, no matter how "bad" a season Florida has had, that they shouldn't be a top 16 seed and/or hosting. 27-4, all 4 losses came to top 12 seeds(in 5 at #4 Minnesota, in 4 vs. #6 Texas and in 5, twice, vs. #12 Tennessee). They went 8-0 against other teams in the field. Their RKPI is top 5, their conference RKPI is top 3. What, exactly, did they base the decision to not seed Florida on? What did they do wrong? Mary gave a pc answer, but you can tell she's royally pissed off about this. There is no justification for them not being seeded or at least hosting(have you seen FAMU's gym?), esp. when Wisconsin, Missouri and UCLA are seeds. It's total horsesh!t and I feel for other teams like Hawaii, Stanford and FAMU who got the royal shaft as well. F the stupid committee.
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Post by WahineHuskyFan on Nov 29, 2004 13:10:03 GMT -5
There is no way, no matter how "bad" a season Florida has had, that they shouldn't be a top 16 seed and/or hosting. 27-4, all 4 losses came to top 12 seeds(in 5 at #4 Minnesota, in 4 vs. #6 Texas and in 5, twice, vs. #12 Tennessee). They went 8-0 against other teams in the field. Their RKPI is top 5, their conference RKPI is top 3. What, exactly, did they base the decision to not seed Florida on? What did they do wrong? Mary gave a pc answer, but you can tell she's royally pissed off about this. There is no justification for them not being seeded or at least hosting(have you seen FAMU's gym?), esp. when Wisconsin, Missouri and UCLA are seeds. It's total horsesh!t and I feel for other teams like Hawaii, Stanford and FAMU who got the royal shaft as well. F the stupid committee. I hate to agree with a Gator fan but I can't find any points to argue against. Especially with Florida A&M hosting. I am out to say the NCAA has to get rid of their rule trying to regionalize the first and second rounds. In 2001 it was a necessity with the WTC attack and the nation on alert status traveling short distances made sense. Now three years later air travel has increased and passenger safety (the main reason for this rule) is starting to reach pre 9/11 levels. What’s wrong with rewarding the top 16 seeds the right or opportunity to host? If they can reach a minimum requirement for average attendance then give them the first two rounds. This way the NCAA knows how much to expect in ticket revenues. 3 schools that got shafted (in no particular order): 1. Hawaii - possible 2nd round vs. CSU ranked 8 (could’ve made this list). 2. Florida – not hosting, playing against the host in the 1st round, then Stanford next. 3. Stanford – shipped out to Florida, possible matchup with Florida in 2nd round. 3 schools who got gifts: 1. Minnesota – Ohio St. could be on this list as well. Easiest road to the Final 4. 2. USC – Easy road to the 8 and they are hosting in their crappy gym. 3. UCLA, Wisconsin, Missouri. ALL 3 have debatable seeds and easy roads into the Sweet 16. If any of them loses proves they shouldn’t have been seeded.
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Post by diamond on Nov 29, 2004 18:26:28 GMT -5
In past years it was all about who didn't get in and that unfairness! Now it is about the seeds/brackets. I suspect the committeee is doing it's mission and work as intended. Let the games begin!
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Nov 30, 2004 5:27:22 GMT -5
In past years it was all about who didn't get in and that unfairness! Now it is about the seeds/brackets. I suspect the committeee is doing it's mission and work as intended. Let the games begin! Hmm, yes -- an interesting observation that many of us have failed to make. No real stink this year on teams that got snubbed completely. Was there any team(s) who was wrongly denied an invite to the big dance? (I mean they did go 6 deep into the Big West, which shocked the hell out of a lot of us ... ) Or are we preoccupied with ... um ... other "more pressing" matters? ;D
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 30, 2004 8:14:16 GMT -5
Hmm, yes -- an interesting observation that many of us have failed to make. No real stink this year on teams that got snubbed completely. Was there any team(s) who was wrongly denied an invite to the big dance? (I mean they did go 6 deep into the Big West, which shocked the hell out of a lot of us ... ) Or are we preoccupied with ... um ... other "more pressing" matters? ;D There is the possibility that the teams that got snubbed are not ones that have much of a voice on this forum. Not a lot of Western Michigan or Duke fans here to raise a stink.
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Nov 30, 2004 9:00:18 GMT -5
"In 2001 it was a necessity with the WTC attack and the nation on alert status traveling short distances made sense. "
I don't believe it was ever about 9/11. At the same time they were claiming this, football and basketball teams were traveling all over and there was never a mention of 9/11 safety travel issues with these revenue producing sports. Like many other things, 9/11 was just an excuse to cut down on volleyball costs.
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