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Post by gophervbfan on Oct 6, 2021 0:52:54 GMT -5
Julia Hanson, Natalie Glenn, Alyssa Goehner and Hailey Cowles all have a couple of things in common. They all have been listed at 5'10". They were all outside hitters in high school. That is a 'difficult' height to be an outside hitter for an upper level B1G team. Most likely position is DS with an occasional back row attack. Well all of these players except one seem like easy calls to be Minnesota recruits regardless if they start or not. It's probably not very difficult to get talented locals that aren't quite the blue chip recruits that the other elite programs are begging to commit to them (of which Hanson, Goehner and Cowles are) to accept a scholarship to play at an elite school where a bunch of their high school friends are likely attending and family can go watch. OTOH, Natalie Glenn going to Minnesota to ride the bench seems like an odd choice given the way Minnesota recruits, but perhaps she tired of the Texas weather and wanted some freezing temps in her life? Natalie Glenn and Jenna Wenaas played for the same club just outside of Dallas so there is that connection.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Oct 6, 2021 7:10:36 GMT -5
Julia Hanson, Natalie Glenn, Alyssa Goehner and Hailey Cowles all have a couple of things in common. They all have been listed at 5'10". They were all outside hitters in high school. That is a 'difficult' height to be an outside hitter for an upper level B1G team. Most likely position is DS with an occasional back row attack. Well all of these players except one seem like easy calls to be Minnesota recruits regardless if they start or not. It's probably not very difficult to get talented locals that aren't quite the blue chip recruits that the other elite programs are begging to commit to them (of which Hanson, Goehner and Cowles are) to accept a scholarship to play at an elite school where a bunch of their high school friends are likely attending and family can go watch. OTOH, Natalie Glenn going to Minnesota to ride the bench seems like an odd choice given the way Minnesota recruits, but perhaps she tired of the Texas weather and wanted some freezing temps in her life? I'm pretty sure Hanson did not accept a scholarship so that she could ride the bench. Also as much as height is being made a big deal of here, people seem to forget that it's the height of your jump that plays a significant factor. imo Kayla Caffey would be considered woefully undersized for a B1G TEN middle but has been very successful this season (also helps that she added 3 inches to her vertical over the summer)
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Post by hipsterfilth on Oct 6, 2021 7:19:11 GMT -5
Well all of these players except one seem like easy calls to be Minnesota recruits regardless if they start or not. It's probably not very difficult to get talented locals that aren't quite the blue chip recruits that the other elite programs are begging to commit to them (of which Hanson, Goehner and Cowles are) to accept a scholarship to play at an elite school where a bunch of their high school friends are likely attending and family can go watch. OTOH, Natalie Glenn going to Minnesota to ride the bench seems like an odd choice given the way Minnesota recruits, but perhaps she tired of the Texas weather and wanted some freezing temps in her life? I'm pretty sure Hanson did not accept a scholarship so that she could ride the bench. Also as much as height is being made a big deal of here, people seem to forget that it's the height of your jump that plays a significant factor. imo Kayla Caffey would be considered woefully undersized for a B1G TEN middle but has been very successful this season (also helps that she added 3 inches to her vertical over the summer) I don’t think any player takes a scholarship thinking they’ll ride the bench. But every high school outside hitter thinks they’re clearly the best and that they can’t get beat out at the next level. But the fact remains: you only need 3 pins to play the game, yet most teams have 6-7 on the roster. Someone’s gotta sit. I think Berty at Stanford is a great example. First team all-american, California player of the year, &c &c. Struggles to hit .150 and looks slow as molasses on defense at the next level. Her game doesn’t transfer to the majority of PAC/B1G programs. It happens.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Oct 6, 2021 8:09:39 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Hanson did not accept a scholarship so that she could ride the bench. Also as much as height is being made a big deal of here, people seem to forget that it's the height of your jump that plays a significant factor. imo Kayla Caffey would be considered woefully undersized for a B1G TEN middle but has been very successful this season (also helps that she added 3 inches to her vertical over the summer) I don’t think any player takes a scholarship thinking they’ll ride the bench. But every high school outside hitter thinks they’re clearly the best and that they can’t get beat out at the next level. But the fact remains: you only need 3 pins to play the game, yet most teams have 6-7 on the roster. Someone’s gotta sit. I think Berty at Stanford is a great example. First team all-american, California player of the year, &c &c. Struggles to hit .150 and looks slow as molasses on defense at the next level. Her game doesn’t transfer to the majority of PAC/B1G programs. It happens. One hundred percent agree, I also happen to think that the U wouldn't offer a scholarship for an athlete that wouldn't figure into their plans. Plenty of local girls would be quite content to be a walk on and sit. I just don't see what benefit the school has investing money in a player that they don't plan to use.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Oct 6, 2021 8:24:33 GMT -5
I don’t think any player takes a scholarship thinking they’ll ride the bench. But every high school outside hitter thinks they’re clearly the best and that they can’t get beat out at the next level. But the fact remains: you only need 3 pins to play the game, yet most teams have 6-7 on the roster. Someone’s gotta sit. I think Berty at Stanford is a great example. First team all-american, California player of the year, &c &c. Struggles to hit .150 and looks slow as molasses on defense at the next level. Her game doesn’t transfer to the majority of PAC/B1G programs. It happens. One hundred percent agree, I also happen to think that the U wouldn't offer a scholarship for an athlete that wouldn't figure into their plans. Plenty of local girls would be quite content to be a walk on and sit. I just don't see what benefit the school has investing money in a player that they don't plan to use. I think it goes both ways though. Coaches can’t possibly tell who is going to get court time until they’re in the gym. If Hambly knew Berty wasn’t going to pan out, she probably wouldn’t have been offered. But how can he, or Hugh, know how anyone is going to pan out?
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Oct 6, 2021 8:48:49 GMT -5
I tend to agree with those who are skeptical about Hanson and how her height may limit her effectiveness in Division I. I've seen her listed more often at 5'11" FWIW. I really like her hitting approach and technique. And yes, she's got some major ups. If she's smart, fast, can pass a decent ball, and can jump out the gym...she could absolutely start (although likely not until she's a junior with our current roster). It's relative. If she can jump two inches higher than Wucherer, they'll contact the ball at the same height. Let's not forget that Taylor Morgan was very effective in the MIDDLE at only 6'. Her leaping and explosiveness were a big part of what secured her spot, and she deserved it.
Another FWIW, I suspect Natalie Glenn may be closer to 5'8" than 5'10".
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Post by courtwatchers on Oct 6, 2021 8:50:35 GMT -5
As of now, the pins to get playing time next season, will probably be whoever can develop a connection with the setter. Right now it appears Shaffmaster will be the only setter on the 2022-2023 roster, with Kilkelly as backup. Scholorship may or may not be a factor, when it comes to playing time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 8:55:54 GMT -5
Minnesota, like a lot of other top schools, will use the portal to improve their roster for 2022.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Oct 6, 2021 9:42:06 GMT -5
One hundred percent agree, I also happen to think that the U wouldn't offer a scholarship for an athlete that wouldn't figure into their plans. Plenty of local girls would be quite content to be a walk on and sit. I just don't see what benefit the school has investing money in a player that they don't plan to use. I think it goes both ways though. Coaches can’t possibly tell who is going to get court time until they’re in the gym. If Hambly knew Berty wasn’t going to pan out, she probably wouldn’t have been offered. But how can he, or Hugh, know how anyone is going to pan out? Obviously nothing is ever 100 percent but coaches of Hugh's calibre have a ton of experience and can usually tell who has a good shot of working out. When I look at the timing of when Hanson was offered I get the sense that Hugh saw something worth spending the money on. Especially with her being local.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Oct 6, 2021 11:01:12 GMT -5
I tend to agree with those who are skeptical about Hanson and how her height may limit her effectiveness in Division I. I've seen her listed more often at 5'11" FWIW. I really like her hitting approach and technique. And yes, she's got some major ups. If she's smart, fast, can pass a decent ball, and can jump out the gym...she could absolutely start (although likely not until she's a junior with our current roster). It's relative. If she can jump two inches higher than Wucherer, they'll contact the ball at the same height. Let's not forget that Taylor Morgan was very effective in the MIDDLE at only 6'. Her leaping and explosiveness were a big part of what secured her spot, and she deserved it. Another FWIW, I suspect Natalie Glenn may be closer to 5'8" than 5'10". I just assume that everyone on every team is actually two inches shorter than their listed height (with the possible exception of the super-talls but once you get to 6-6, what are a few inches between friends?).
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Oct 6, 2021 11:39:29 GMT -5
I tend to agree with those who are skeptical about Hanson and how her height may limit her effectiveness in Division I. I've seen her listed more often at 5'11" FWIW. I really like her hitting approach and technique. And yes, she's got some major ups. If she's smart, fast, can pass a decent ball, and can jump out the gym...she could absolutely start (although likely not until she's a junior with our current roster). It's relative. If she can jump two inches higher than Wucherer, they'll contact the ball at the same height. Let's not forget that Taylor Morgan was very effective in the MIDDLE at only 6'. Her leaping and explosiveness were a big part of what secured her spot, and she deserved it. Another FWIW, I suspect Natalie Glenn may be closer to 5'8" than 5'10". I just assume that everyone on every team is actually two inches shorter than their listed height (with the possible exception of the super-talls but once you get to 6-6, what are a few inches between friends?). I tend to think it's less necessary to "cushion" height stats when somebody is actually tall. Like, Jenna Wenaas may very well be 6'1". There's not really a ton of value in listing her at 6'2". 6'1" is a very reasonable height for an elite OH, especially if she can jump, which Wenaas can. Listing someone at 5'8" as a hitter, however, is sort of no-go. They'll always round up if your actual height seems short for the position you're expected to believably be able to fill. Not necessarily so if you're within the "usual" range.
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Post by gophsstudent on Oct 6, 2021 12:41:18 GMT -5
I just assume that everyone on every team is actually two inches shorter than their listed height (with the possible exception of the super-talls but once you get to 6-6, what are a few inches between friends?). I tend to think it's less necessary to "cushion" height stats when somebody is actually tall. Like, Jenna Wenaas may very well be 6'1". There's not really a ton of value in listing her at 6'2". 6'1" is a very reasonable height for an elite OH, especially if she can jump, which Wenaas can. Listing someone at 5'8" as a hitter, however, is sort of no-go. They'll always round up if your actual height seems short for the position you're expected to believably be able to fill. Not necessarily so if you're within the "usual" range. I’ve seen her around campus and can confirm she is definitely at least 6 feet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 17:34:16 GMT -5
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Post by gophsstudent on Oct 6, 2021 17:42:41 GMT -5
What do we know about Chloe Ng? I wonder if this will change anything for Stella Swenson?
She may have very well committed just to be a backup. She’s 5’9. Might just be to replace Bayley.
Either way that’s good to know we won’t have to use Kilkelly as a backup next year.
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Post by gophsstudent on Oct 6, 2021 17:57:24 GMT -5
Maybe someone that can better evaluate setters can tell me what they see here:
Assuming Hugh is still planning to go for Stella in 24, I think Chloe could fill in nicely behind Shaff once McMen is gone.
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