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Post by gogophers on Nov 4, 2022 15:40:59 GMT -5
It's been said that Hugh and the AD announced his departure when they did, mid-season, as a matter of integrity and being fair with recruits. And I don't question that, although none of us casual fans truly can know what went on behind the scenes. My question is this: do the Volleytalkers think that most other prominent coaches (whatever you think prominent means; I mean coaches of well known programs whose names are known to most ardent fans) would have done the same? Given notice in advance of NIL day to give recruits time to think over their commitments? I'm not asking if it was the right or wrong decision; just whether it's one that others in comparable situations would make as a matter of course. And I'm not trying to make this into a referendum on the scruples of a certain Big10 coach who has been attacked/defended umpteen times on this board. Putting him aside . . .
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Post by dodger on Nov 4, 2022 15:49:48 GMT -5
Well sir/mam you are categorically wrong here. You have a personal ax to grind? He is risk averse? au contraire mon bon ami’: he was coaching men national team and accepted position coaching womens team: risking all: he left professional ranks and took the NCAA coaching route a step down: a risk: he a few years past with injuries had a MB run his offense and they continued to win: risky!! He runs the riskiest (fastest potential for high error) offense in the BIg: maybe the country. Je steps away from what has been his career for decade's and is paid extremely well and risks it all bt changing jobs at the height of a coaches prime- riskiest move yet: so what : gopher fan (real fan is doubtful) is tour definition of risk averse? You sir are risk averse: cowardly attempting to diminish a good mans reputation and accomplishments. You with your ax to grind only make yourself less whole and less reliable. I assume you will counter with lies by opinion, rhetoric laced with stats and your deluded sense of right wrong win and lose. But rest assured your charade is uncovered and although you write no one truly cares or listens. So flagellate away. We are all noses. And we see you for who you are! Thou doth protest too much, Lady Macbeth. Pointing out that he didn't win an NCAA National Champion, and offering an explanation why isn't per se an attempt to diminish him--it's about understanding the limitations of his approach and abilities. Hugh did quite well in his time at Minnesota, and in fact, he succeeded in recruiting athletes beyond what initial expectations were for him imo. Even so, discussing the inability to bring home the hardware (or even advance to a Final) is a legitimate topic, and the obvious discomfort you feel is really your problem, not mine. Your definition of risk is, shall we say, interesting. He moved from the Men's NT to the Women's NT within the same organization. He moved to the college game with a 1 year advance promise. He leaves as Minnesota's head coach with a sweetheart deal from the AD. What risk was there in any of these moves? Inserting a middle because there is no viable alternative option is not about assuming risk, it is about necessity. The question to you is: what in his character is “risk averse”? I knew you’d rhetoricalize your opinion to make it sound useful and smart when its just angry and again your deluded sense of right and wrong! I await your next delusional angry repose
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 4, 2022 16:04:43 GMT -5
Thou doth protest too much, Lady Macbeth. Pointing out that he didn't win an NCAA National Champion, and offering an explanation why isn't per se an attempt to diminish him--it's about understanding the limitations of his approach and abilities. Hugh did quite well in his time at Minnesota, and in fact, he succeeded in recruiting athletes beyond what initial expectations were for him imo. Even so, discussing the inability to bring home the hardware (or even advance to a Final) is a legitimate topic, and the obvious discomfort you feel is really your problem, not mine. Your definition of risk is, shall we say, interesting. He moved from the Men's NT to the Women's NT within the same organization. He moved to the college game with a 1 year advance promise. He leaves as Minnesota's head coach with a sweetheart deal from the AD. What risk was there in any of these moves? Inserting a middle because there is no viable alternative option is not about assuming risk, it is about necessity. The question to you is: what in his character is “risk averse”? I knew you’d rhetoricalize your opinion to make it sound useful and smart when its just angry and again your deluded sense of right and wrong! I await your next delusional angry repose Why are you characterizing the description of someone as risk-averse or behaviorally conservative as right or wrong? Are you an actuary? Your distress and outrage seems mis-placed.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Nov 4, 2022 16:22:14 GMT -5
I'm not going to begrudge Hugh for taking an opportunity that he probably didn't know existed 10 months before. And even if he did know, he applied, he waited for the outcome, and in the meantime made arrangements to shore up his immediate future and provide stability for his family. Is there a problem with that? You think he applied for this job? This job was obviously created just for Hugh. The only question is why. I could have gone either way with that. I went applying for the job, only because it would indeed seem strange to sign him to a contract extension and them create a separate position for him. 🤷🏾♂️
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Nov 4, 2022 16:26:04 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I agree that we probably possibly would have lost Choboy, even if McCutcheon had remained the head coach. Probably? What is that based on? Why would she have verbally committed to Minn in the first place if she didn't really mean it? I don't recall anyone saying she would de-commit prior to Hugh's announcement. Am I remembering wrong? Well, I admit, possibly would have been a better choice of words. I base that on rumors that Choboy wanted Nebraska originally but they did not offer a 4-year scholarship at the time but that now they have a 4-year offer for her. Minnesota, if rumor is correct, was a second choice then.
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Post by gogophers on Nov 4, 2022 16:26:55 GMT -5
didn't know that. good answer
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Post by dodger on Nov 4, 2022 16:37:57 GMT -5
The question to you is: what in his character is “risk averse”? I knew you’d rhetoricalize your opinion to make it sound useful and smart when its just angry and again your deluded sense of right and wrong! I await your next delusional angry repose Why are you characterizing the description of someone as risk-averse or behaviorally conservative as right or wrong? Are you an actuary? Your distress and outrage seems mis-placed. Hugh’s approach to coaching, and to life, is to stick to fundamentals and be risk-averse. The difference between winning a Championship, and not, is a drive and energy that Hugh is personally uncomfortable with. Above is your quote: coaches approach to “life” blah blah and be “risk averse” So my question is : what in his approach (tactics / fundamentals) is risk averse? And thwn the character assessment: drive and energy? Really: And he is : and i quote you: he is personally uncomfortable with?? How in this world do you get to this? He’s got a gold and a silver plus many other awards for winning: so where does this little rhetorical gem come from. God bless hugh for being gopher coach with fans like you they dont even need enemies
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 4, 2022 16:41:05 GMT -5
Why are you characterizing the description of someone as risk-averse or behaviorally conservative as right or wrong? Are you an actuary? Your distress and outrage seems mis-placed. Hugh’s approach to coaching, and to life, is to stick to fundamentals and be risk-averse. The difference between winning a Championship, and not, is a drive and energy that Hugh is personally uncomfortable with. Above is your quote: coaches approach to “life” blah blah and be “risk averse” So my question is : what in his approach (tactics / fundamentals) is risk averse? And thwn the character assessment: drive and energy? Really: And he is : and i quote you: he is personally uncomfortable with?? How in this world do you get to this? He’s got a gold and a silver plus many other awards for winning: so where does this little rhetorical gem come from. God bless hugh for being gopher coach with fans like you they dont even need enemies You don't know anything, do you?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 16:48:18 GMT -5
Probably? What is that based on? Why would she have verbally committed to Minn in the first place if she didn't really mean it? I don't recall anyone saying she would de-commit prior to Hugh's announcement. Am I remembering wrong? Well, I admit, possibly would have been a better choice of words. I base that on rumors that Choboy wanted Nebraska originally but they did not offer a 4-year scholarship at the time but that now they have a 4-year offer for her. Minnesota, if rumor is correct, was a second choice then. Definitely could see this being true. She’ll probably be happier there then, sucks we’ll have to see her on the other side of the net though.
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Post by dodger on Nov 4, 2022 16:48:39 GMT -5
Hugh’s approach to coaching, and to life, is to stick to fundamentals and be risk-averse. The difference between winning a Championship, and not, is a drive and energy that Hugh is personally uncomfortable with. Above is your quote: coaches approach to “life” blah blah and be “risk averse” So my question is : what in his approach (tactics / fundamentals) is risk averse? And thwn the character assessment: drive and energy? Really: And he is : and i quote you: he is personally uncomfortable with?? How in this world do you get to this? He’s got a gold and a silver plus many other awards for winning: so where does this little rhetorical gem come from. God bless hugh for being gopher coach with fans like you they dont even need enemies You don't know anything, do you? So tell me why is HM all fundamentals and risk averse and without the energy and drive to win a championship?? Come on! You can do it? Don't start name calling so quickly: you got more wise and useful opinions gopher fan if you really are one that is! Don't give up belittling your coach so quickly!! I know there is more useless opinion in there! Come on bare yourself to your gopher mates how completely you dont support your program or its coaches!! Or maybe volleyguy is not a gopher fan?? Is this my error: preauming you to be a gopher fan??
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 4, 2022 16:50:09 GMT -5
You don't know anything, do you? So tell me why is HM all fundamentals and risk averse and without the energy and drive to win a championship?? Come on! You can do it? Don't start name calling so quickly: you got more wise and useful opinions gopher fan if you really are one that is! Don't give up belittling your coach so quickly!! I know there is more useless opinion in there! Come on bare yourself to your gopher mates how completely you dont support your program or its coaches!! Or maybe volleyguy is not a gopher fan?? Is this my error: preauming you to be a gopher fan?? Now you're catching on, dodgy.
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Post by vollectator on Nov 4, 2022 17:14:04 GMT -5
It's been said that Hugh and the AD announced his departure when they did, mid-season, as a matter of integrity and being fair with recruits. And I don't question that, although none of us casual fans truly can know what went on behind the scenes. My question is this: do the Volleytalkers think that most other prominent coaches (whatever you think prominent means; I mean coaches of well known programs whose names are known to most ardent fans) would have done the same? Given notice in advance of NIL day to give recruits time to think over their commitments? I'm not asking if it was the right or wrong decision; just whether it's one that others in comparable situations would make as a matter of course. And I'm not trying to make this into a referendum on the scruples of a certain Big10 coach who has been attacked/defended umpteen times on this board. Putting him aside . . . don't know enough about the circumstances to answer your question. the timing of the retirement announcement felt compelled rather than by choice out of integrity or what not, tbh.
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Post by endersgame on Nov 4, 2022 17:18:04 GMT -5
Could easily see one of the many DS’s on OSU’s bench transferring to Minnesota. Not sure they’d be CC McGraw quality from the get go though.
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Post by dodger on Nov 4, 2022 20:40:06 GMT -5
So tell me why is HM all fundamentals and risk averse and without the energy and drive to win a championship?? Come on! You can do it? Don't start name calling so quickly: you got more wise and useful opinions gopher fan if you really are one that is! Don't give up belittling your coach so quickly!! I know there is more useless opinion in there! Come on bare yourself to your gopher mates how completely you dont support your program or its coaches!! Or maybe volleyguy is not a gopher fan?? Is this my error: preauming you to be a gopher fan?? Now you're catching on, dodgy. I really had high hopes for you: after your carefully crafted condescending opinion on a coach i thought that kind of deep thought would have more of a nuanced response: instead 2 single sentences of surrender! Tell me this how many championships do you have ? As a player ? As a coach any level? Any sport?? Pickleball!!
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 4, 2022 21:12:20 GMT -5
Now you're catching on, dodgy. I really had high hopes for you: after your carefully crafted condescending opinion on a coach i thought that kind of deep thought would have more of a nuanced response: instead 2 single sentences of surrender! Tell me this how many championships do you have ? As a player ? As a coach any level? Any sport?? Pickleball!! This response is so bush league, but at least you didn't disappoint me. I never had high hopes for you. I have zero doubt that I am better connected than you are to high level NCAA and international volleyball.
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