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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 12:38:43 GMT -5
The only people that I can seriously see transferring are Wenaas, Davis, Ng, and Hanson. I just don’t see the other ones at all. Davis should either be the starter for the rest of the season, or get serious playing time split between the three. She brings too much energy to keep off the court. And Gros is a one and done in Minneapolis, so the spot is Davis's next year. Why would she transfer?
Also also, she just transferred here. Rules be damned, she should not be eligible to play next year if she transfers right away again. Short of extreme circumstances like her immediate family getting sick, then yes a waiver is warranted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 12:40:12 GMT -5
There are a plethora of gopher comments about your coach and the natty: (outcome) but you dont know your coach: he is process guy who see’s the win in bigger terms than most gopher fans. And this mentor, integrity, humane approach to coaching is a big (bigger reason) Hugh has been excellent recruiter: All previous Gopher coaches; Schluder, Hebert and now McCutcheon are from that cloth. And all the present gopher players should hope they find another coach of the same “grit”! Attached please find a little serving of who your gopher coach is and be proud of the “big win”!!💪🏽 Most Gopher fans know this and appreciate Hugh and the program for that exact reason. However there’s a few bad lemons out there, who are unfortunately the most vocal, that forget that and only want to win. Minnesota has done everything there is to be done ... other than win a natty.
Lack of that, is a failure. If Wisconsin can do it, there is zero reason Minnesota can't.
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Post by dodger on Nov 4, 2022 12:40:44 GMT -5
There are a plethora of gopher comments about your coach and the natty: (outcome) but you dont know your coach: he is process guy who see’s the win in bigger terms than most gopher fans. And this mentor, integrity, humane approach to coaching is a big (bigger reason) Hugh has been excellent recruiter: All previous Gopher coaches; Schluder, Hebert and now McCutcheon are from that cloth. And all the present gopher players should hope they find another coach of the same “grit”! Attached please find a little serving of who your gopher coach is and be proud of the “big win”!!💪🏽 Everywhere else, this type of rationalization is either called losing or disappointment. If you get lemons, make lemonade. Hugh’s approach to coaching, and to life, is to stick to fundamentals and be risk-averse. The difference between winning a Championship, and not, is a drive and energy that Hugh is personally uncomfortable with. Well sir/mam you are categorically wrong here. You have a personal ax to grind? He is risk averse? au contraire mon bon ami’: he was coaching men national team and accepted position coaching womens team: risking all: he left professional ranks and took the NCAA coaching route a step down: a risk: he a few years past with injuries had a MB run his offense and they continued to win: risky!! He runs the riskiest (fastest potential for high error) offense in the BIg: maybe the country. Je steps away from what has been his career for decade's and is paid extremely well and risks it all bt changing jobs at the height of a coaches prime- riskiest move yet: so what : gopher fan (real fan is doubtful) is tour definition of risk averse? You sir are risk averse: cowardly attempting to diminish a good mans reputation and accomplishments. You with your ax to grind only make yourself less whole and less reliable. I assume you will counter with lies by opinion, rhetoric laced with stats and your deluded sense of right wrong win and lose. But rest assured your charade is uncovered and although you write no one truly cares or listens. So flagellate away. We are all noses. And we see you for who you are!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 12:41:56 GMT -5
(unless she grad transfers) No, I don't believe you can "double dip" in this way. Nor should you be able to. One free transfer, for any reason you want. After that, you sit, unless you apply for and get a waiver. Makes it clean and simple for all.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Nov 4, 2022 12:52:08 GMT -5
(unless she grad transfers) No, I don't believe you can "double dip" in this way. Nor should you be able to. One free transfer, for any reason you want. After that, you sit, unless you apply for and get a waiver. Makes it clean and simple for all. a lot of schools won’t have the exact grad program a student wants. happened to us (arizona) with Merle Weidt. transferred here from Rutgers, but then we didn’t have her grad program, so she went to Denver. I don’t think it would’ve been fair to make her sit. plus, you would then have way more 6th and 7th year players across the NCAA which just seems unfair. (plus I’m not sure, but aren’t you allowed to transfer and have immediate eligibility if your coach leaves? would that apply to Davis here too?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 12:59:58 GMT -5
No, I don't believe you can "double dip" in this way. Nor should you be able to. One free transfer, for any reason you want. After that, you sit, unless you apply for and get a waiver. Makes it clean and simple for all. a lot of schools won’t have the exact grad program a student wants. happened to us (arizona) with Merle Weidt. transferred here from Rutgers, but then we didn’t have her grad program, so she went to Denver. I don’t think it would’ve been fair to make her sit. plus, you would then have way more 6th and 7th year players across the NCAA which just seems unfair. (plus I’m not sure, but aren’t you allowed to transfer and have immediate eligibility if your coach leaves? would that apply to Davis here too?) I don't know if there is an explicit rule about when a coach leaves, but you could certainly try to use that as justification for a waiver.
If I was on the waiver committee, I'd vote that down. You commit to a school, a program, and community. Not a coach.
Grad programs is a weak excuse that will (and likely has) been exploited. "Oh, see ... they didn't have that master's in underwater basket weaving! That has always been my dream!! I need a waiver!"
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Post by courtwatchers on Nov 4, 2022 13:08:38 GMT -5
If the Houks remain here in Minnesota as coaches, can someone please explain to me what we can "EXPECT" in improvement when it pertains to our back court (digging/passing), serving and setting? We MN fans have seen the program in these areas for years and I for one would not exactly say we have seen them "IMPROVE". I am adding that it is my understanding that the Houks are the coaches over these positons of Gopher volleyball.
In all seriousness I really would like to hear about all the skills in recruiting and developing players that they bring and offer to our MN Volleyball Program. There are a lot of fans in Matt's corner for our next HC. If measuring the development of our players is not a fair way of accomplishing that, then what is?
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 4, 2022 13:08:58 GMT -5
Everywhere else, this type of rationalization is either called losing or disappointment. If you get lemons, make lemonade. Hugh’s approach to coaching, and to life, is to stick to fundamentals and be risk-averse. The difference between winning a Championship, and not, is a drive and energy that Hugh is personally uncomfortable with. Well sir/mam you are categorically wrong here. You have a personal ax to grind? He is risk averse? au contraire mon bon ami’: he was coaching men national team and accepted position coaching womens team: risking all: he left professional ranks and took the NCAA coaching route a step down: a risk: he a few years past with injuries had a MB run his offense and they continued to win: risky!! He runs the riskiest (fastest potential for high error) offense in the BIg: maybe the country. Je steps away from what has been his career for decade's and is paid extremely well and risks it all bt changing jobs at the height of a coaches prime- riskiest move yet: so what : gopher fan (real fan is doubtful) is tour definition of risk averse? You sir are risk averse: cowardly attempting to diminish a good mans reputation and accomplishments. You with your ax to grind only make yourself less whole and less reliable. I assume you will counter with lies by opinion, rhetoric laced with stats and your deluded sense of right wrong win and lose. But rest assured your charade is uncovered and although you write no one truly cares or listens. So flagellate away. We are all noses. And we see you for who you are! Thou doth protest too much, Lady Macbeth. Pointing out that he didn't win an NCAA National Champion, and offering an explanation why isn't per se an attempt to diminish him--it's about understanding the limitations of his approach and abilities. Hugh did quite well in his time at Minnesota, and in fact, he succeeded in recruiting athletes beyond what initial expectations were for him imo. Even so, discussing the inability to bring home the hardware (or even advance to a Final) is a legitimate topic, and the obvious discomfort you feel is really your problem, not mine. Your definition of risk is, shall we say, interesting. He moved from the Men's NT to the Women's NT within the same organization. He moved to the college game with a 1 year advance promise. He leaves as Minnesota's head coach with a sweetheart deal from the AD. What risk was there in any of these moves? Inserting a middle because there is no viable alternative option is not about assuming risk, it is about necessity.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Nov 4, 2022 13:16:27 GMT -5
(unless she grad transfers) No, I don't believe you can "double dip" in this way. Nor should you be able to. One free transfer, for any reason you want. After that, you sit, unless you apply for and get a waiver. Makes it clean and simple for all. If you can’t double dip like that, then how is Adanna Rollins playing at Kentucky this year?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 13:22:27 GMT -5
No, I don't believe you can "double dip" in this way. Nor should you be able to. One free transfer, for any reason you want. After that, you sit, unless you apply for and get a waiver. Makes it clean and simple for all. If you can’t double dip like that, then how is Adanna Rollins playing at Kentucky this year? Waiver, because Russ retired, is my guess.
I would have voted that waiver down, if I was on the committee.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 13:40:46 GMT -5
Well she certainly didn’t waste any time. Have fun playing 3 ro’s.
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Post by gogophers on Nov 4, 2022 13:50:39 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I agree that we probably would have lost Choboy, even if McCutcheon had remained the head coach. Probably? What is that based on? Why would she have verbally committed to Minn in the first place if she didn't really mean it? I don't recall anyone saying she would de-commit prior to Hugh's announcement. Am I remembering wrong?
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Post by GoGophs on Nov 4, 2022 13:53:40 GMT -5
Most Gopher fans know this and appreciate Hugh and the program for that exact reason. However there’s a few bad lemons out there, who are unfortunately the most vocal, that forget that and only want to win. Minnesota has done everything there is to be done ... other than win a natty.
Lack of that, is a failure. If Wisconsin can do it, there is zero reason Minnesota can't.
I don’t know how you can be a MN fan with that type of thinking. Of course we all want a Natty but it’s definitely not a “failure” if you don’t win one. Do you know how hard it is to win the whole thing? Ask Mary Wise. The success in MN lies in the amount of All Americans and pro level players we’ve produced and the awesome human beings that are improving the volleyball community, PARTICULARLY in the state of MN. When I was growing up in MN I idolized those players and so do all of the younger players now. Winning the Natty is a bonus but not the end all be all, Hugh and Hebert produced great role models and made a huge impact in growing the sport and inspiring young girls. That’s success.
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Post by mnsports255 on Nov 4, 2022 14:14:49 GMT -5
I’ll take Choboy for her word across multiple platforms that the reason she de-committed was due to Hugh’s departure. I don’t blame her either tbh; it’s important to know who your head coach is before committing somewhere for 4 years.
Doesn’t change the fact that i despise Nebraska vb though. People are too kind regarding rival programs to project bitter hatred in the college volleyball realm. I want passionate disdain and pure rivalry just like there exists in every other sport. Nebraska is that program for many of us. I will root for them to lose every match they play in because why wouldn’t you?! (Spare for maybe Texas, I could understand that) Why would you willingly choose to root for Goliath over David, or root for a super team that is built on top 10 recruits and blue chip transfers? That’s no fun! Unless you’re already a Husker fan, what reason would you have to root for a team that’s herding top recruits like cattle and stealing top talent away from likely a team you root for? I’ve felt this way for years but I’m officially on the record saying I hate Nebraska! (Texas too!) If you’re rooting for their success, you’re rooting against your own program assuming you’re connected with a top 20-30-40ish program.
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Post by ugopher on Nov 4, 2022 14:24:33 GMT -5
Everywhere else, this type of rationalization is either called losing or disappointment. If you get lemons, make lemonade. Hugh’s approach to coaching, and to life, is to stick to fundamentals and be risk-averse. The difference between winning a Championship, and not, is a drive and energy that Hugh is personally uncomfortable with. Well sir/mam you are categorically wrong here. You have a personal ax to grind? He is risk averse? au contraire mon bon ami’: he was coaching men national team and accepted position coaching womens team: risking all: he left professional ranks and took the NCAA coaching route a step down: a risk: he a few years past with injuries had a MB run his offense and they continued to win: risky!! He runs the riskiest (fastest potential for high error) offense in the BIg: maybe the country. Je steps away from what has been his career for decade's and is paid extremely well and risks it all bt changing jobs at the height of a coaches prime- riskiest move yet: so what : gopher fan (real fan is doubtful) is tour definition of risk averse? You sir are risk averse: cowardly attempting to diminish a good mans reputation and accomplishments. You with your ax to grind only make yourself less whole and less reliable. I assume you will counter with lies by opinion, rhetoric laced with stats and your deluded sense of right wrong win and lose. But rest assured your charade is uncovered and although you write no one truly cares or listens. So flagellate away. We are all noses. And we see you for who you are! Hugh didn't take the MN job because he was looking for a new challenge. He took the MN job because he thought it would give him more time to be with his family. At the national level, he may be away from home on another country for 2-3 weeks at a time. He took the college job because he would only be gone for a night or two. Perhaps he was already getting burned out from coaching after the Olympics and thought the college game would recharge him. And, maybe it did for a couple of years. College coaching is a grind and can be tougher than the national team - constant recruiting of young people, limits on practice time, fundraising, etc.. May have been more than he bargained for.
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