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Post by oldunc on Nov 6, 2018 19:35:21 GMT -5
If beating those teams got Wisconsin into the top ten, then "being undefeated" got Pitt into the top ten. "Undefeated" is an easy label to lose, three wins against top ten competition is a lot harder to erase. I would also add that a "cause-and-effect" view of the rankings is dangerous. I.e. I beat a team ranked higher than me, I move up X spots, I lose to a team lower than me, I move down Y spots. It's naturally self-defeating. 642fiddi , the simplest way I can explain it is using pictures. The top squares are the Pittsburghs and Cal Polys of the NCAA world. The bottom squares are the Wisconsins. Both have 1 yellow square (a loss to an unranked team) and red squares (wins against ranked teams). However, in the top squares, that yellow square is much much much more significant, because there's a lot less individual red squares. That's why Pitt/Cal Poly fall further - their yellow square losses take up a larger % of their overall resume. I'm a little confused- does Wisconsin really have 239 wins against ranked teams?
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Post by donut on Nov 6, 2018 19:36:55 GMT -5
I would also add that a "cause-and-effect" view of the rankings is dangerous. I.e. I beat a team ranked higher than me, I move up X spots, I lose to a team lower than me, I move down Y spots. It's naturally self-defeating. 642fiddi , the simplest way I can explain it is using pictures. The top squares are the Pittsburghs and Cal Polys of the NCAA world. The bottom squares are the Wisconsins. Both have 1 yellow square (a loss to an unranked team) and red squares (wins against ranked teams). However, in the top squares, that yellow square is much much much more significant, because there's a lot less individual red squares. That's why Pitt/Cal Poly fall further - their yellow square losses take up a larger % of their overall resume. I'm a little confused- does Wisconsin really have 239 wins against ranked teams? Lol no, just using fake numbers to make my point.
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 6, 2018 20:22:26 GMT -5
I'm a little confused- does Wisconsin really have 239 wins against ranked teams? Lol no, just using fake numbers to make my point. I think we should turn to mikegarrison for a ruling on fake numbers.
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Post by donut on Nov 6, 2018 20:26:51 GMT -5
Lol no, just using fake numbers to make my point. I think we should turn to mikegarrison for a ruling on fake numbers. I wanted to use a square because it was easy to illustrate two spaces of the same size (i.e. two bodies of work). Top image is "few big wins, 1 bad loss" and bottom image is "lots of big wins, 1 bad loss." Still would have worked with only 9 or 12 squares in the bottom image but I live for the drama, what can I say.
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 7, 2018 9:15:18 GMT -5
Add BYU to that list. They aren't any better than those teams...just had a great night at home against Stanford early. Yawn. Same old, same old. BYU has won 18 of their 23 matches by sweeps. Only went 5 once, against Stanford, and won. Only dropped a set to Duke, Marquette, San Diego and San Diego. Night after night, they've had to be on their game against every team trying to knock off #1. They haven't had the kind of wild swings that Wisconsin has had. They have to have "a great night" every match they play. If they had lost to Stanford, it would be a different conversation. But so far, they are the only team in the country to have beaten Stanford, though Colorado came mighty close. Yawnx2. Play a grinding, competitive schedule like a Big Ten team and they'd have 4 losses...easily. Duke? I also didn't know there were two schools named San Diego. I'm learning a lot from your posts. Keep 'em coming.
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Post by oldunc on Nov 7, 2018 9:29:48 GMT -5
Three- UC San Diego, San Diego State, and University of San Diego. Only one in the WCC, though.
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Post by davebrake38 on Nov 7, 2018 11:23:03 GMT -5
Who or what is JT-prep?
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Post by n00b on Nov 7, 2018 11:29:26 GMT -5
John Tawa (JT) runs PrepVolleyball.com.
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Post by davebrake38 on Nov 7, 2018 11:35:57 GMT -5
Thanks. David
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Post by bayarea on Nov 7, 2018 11:43:19 GMT -5
Yawn. Same old, same old. BYU has won 18 of their 23 matches by sweeps. Only went 5 once, against Stanford, and won. Only dropped a set to Duke, Marquette, San Diego and San Diego. Night after night, they've had to be on their game against every team trying to knock off #1. They haven't had the kind of wild swings that Wisconsin has had. They have to have "a great night" every match they play. If they had lost to Stanford, it would be a different conversation. But so far, they are the only team in the country to have beaten Stanford, though Colorado came mighty close. Yawnx2. Play a grinding, competitive schedule like a Big Ten team and they'd have 4 losses...easily. Duke? I also didn't know there were two schools named San Diego. I'm learning a lot from your posts. Keep 'em coming. You are falling asleep in class, @sportybucky. They played San Diego twice, dropping a set each time, thus you get "San Diego and San Diego". Pay attention. There will be a quiz.
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 7, 2018 11:46:48 GMT -5
Yawnx2. Play a grinding, competitive schedule like a Big Ten team and they'd have 4 losses...easily. Duke? I also didn't know there were two schools named San Diego. I'm learning a lot from your posts. Keep 'em coming. You are falling asleep in class, @sportybucky. They played San Diego twice, dropping a set each time, thus you get "San Diego and San Diego". Pay attention. There will be a quiz. I understood that. Hard to convey sarcasm in a post but I'll practice and promise to improve.
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Post by bayarea on Nov 7, 2018 11:48:55 GMT -5
You are falling asleep in class, @sportybucky. They played San Diego twice, dropping a set each time, thus you get "San Diego and San Diego". Pay attention. There will be a quiz. I understood that. Hard to convey sarcasm in a post but I'll practice and promise to improve. I keep looking for an eye rolling emoji, but haven't found it yet. That would probably work.
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 7, 2018 11:56:38 GMT -5
I understood that. Hard to convey sarcasm in a post but I'll practice and promise to improve. I keep looking for an eye rolling emoji, but haven't found it yet. That would probably work.
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Post by vbprisoner on Nov 7, 2018 12:05:50 GMT -5
I understood that. Hard to convey sarcasm in a post but I'll practice and promise to improve. I keep looking for an eye rolling emoji, but haven't found it yet. That would probably work. bayarea as much as you are on this board you HAVE to know SportyBucky is the resident Wisconsin / sometimes Texas smarta$$! LOL
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Post by yupyupyup on Nov 7, 2018 12:12:16 GMT -5
Yawn. Same old, same old. BYU has won 18 of their 23 matches by sweeps. Only went 5 once, against Stanford, and won. Only dropped a set to Duke, Marquette, San Diego and San Diego. Night after night, they've had to be on their game against every team trying to knock off #1. They haven't had the kind of wild swings that Wisconsin has had. They have to have "a great night" every match they play. If they had lost to Stanford, it would be a different conversation. But so far, they are the only team in the country to have beaten Stanford, though Colorado came mighty close. Yawnx2. Play a grinding, competitive schedule like a Big Ten team and they'd have 4 losses...easily. Duke? I also didn't know there were two schools named San Diego. I'm learning a lot from your posts. Keep 'em coming. BYU would have 4 losses ‘easily’ if they played in Big 10. Maybe. But is it possible they would be undefeated in Big 10? Maybe. The thing is, no one knows because they aren’t in the Big 10! Y’all have the same conversations every year and state these hypotheticals as if they are fact. ‘Easily?’ Please.
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