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Post by 642fiddi on Nov 7, 2018 12:12:22 GMT -5
I'm a little confused- does Wisconsin really have 239 wins against ranked teams? Lol no, just using fake numbers to make my point. I think I see the Virgin of Guadalupe in that Matrix
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Post by donut on Nov 7, 2018 12:20:36 GMT -5
Lol no, just using fake numbers to make my point. I think I see the Virgin of Guadalupe in that Matrix lol ok You're still wrong.
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 7, 2018 13:11:02 GMT -5
Yawn. Same old, same old. BYU has won 18 of their 23 matches by sweeps. Only went 5 once, against Stanford, and won. Only dropped a set to Duke, Marquette, San Diego and San Diego. Night after night, they've had to be on their game against every team trying to knock off #1. They haven't had the kind of wild swings that Wisconsin has had. They have to have "a great night" every match they play. If they had lost to Stanford, it would be a different conversation. But so far, they are the only team in the country to have beaten Stanford, though Colorado came mighty close. Yawnx2. Play a grinding, competitive schedule like a Big Ten team and they'd have 4 losses...easily. Duke? I also didn't know there were two schools named San Diego. I'm learning a lot from your posts. Keep 'em coming. At 4 losses in B1G, that would put BYU on par with Purdue and Penn State. I think they are more on a par with Minnesota; but we shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 13:16:55 GMT -5
Yawnx2. Play a grinding, competitive schedule like a Big Ten team and they'd have 4 losses...easily. Duke? I also didn't know there were two schools named San Diego. I'm learning a lot from your posts. Keep 'em coming. BYU would have 4 losses ‘easily’ if they played in Big 10. Maybe. But is it possible they would be undefeated in Big 10? Maybe. The thing is, no one knows because they aren’t in the Big 10! Y’all have the same conversations every year and state these hypotheticals as if they are fact. ‘Easily?’ Please. No disrespect, but it is easy to pick on a BYU for something like this because they have only played 3 games against Top25 teams. None as true road games and none since mid September. It is hypothetical, and no one does really know. But the Big10 plays a lot of Friday/Saturday back to back in the conference play, and it is easy to say BYU would not have more losses when they don’t have to play in Madison against Wisconsin on a Friday night and then come back Saturday and play at Minnesota.
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Post by yupyupyup on Nov 7, 2018 13:34:20 GMT -5
BYU would have 4 losses ‘easily’ if they played in Big 10. Maybe. But is it possible they would be undefeated in Big 10? Maybe. The thing is, no one knows because they aren’t in the Big 10! Y’all have the same conversations every year and state these hypotheticals as if they are fact. ‘Easily?’ Please. No disrespect, but it is easy to pick on a BYU for something like this because they have only played 3 games against Top25 teams. None as true road games and none since mid September. It is hypothetical, and no one does really know. But the Big10 plays a lot of Friday/Saturday back to back in the conference play, and it is easy to say BYU would not have more losses when they don’t have to play in Madison against Wisconsin on a Friday night and then come back Saturday and play at Minnesota. Very true! I find it funny when these people make these proclamations as fact.
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 7, 2018 13:40:40 GMT -5
No disrespect, but it is easy to pick on a BYU for something like this because they have only played 3 games against Top25 teams. None as true road games and none since mid September. It is hypothetical, and no one does really know. But the Big10 plays a lot of Friday/Saturday back to back in the conference play, and it is easy to say BYU would not have more losses when they don’t have to play in Madison against Wisconsin on a Friday night and then come back Saturday and play at Minnesota. Very true! I find it funny when these people make these proclamations as fact. There will be some pudding available in December, where one can find some proof.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 14:33:03 GMT -5
Very true! I find it funny when these people make these proclamations as fact. There will be some pudding available in December, where one can find some proof. Not sure what proof - it's not like BYU gets to play a Big10 (or Pac12, for that matter) type schedule in December. If they win it all - then their record is validated - no doubt. But earlier you mentioned that 4 losses in Big10 put them with Purdue and Penn State, and you thought they were better. So compare the remaining schedules below (current RPI in parenthesis). Really hard to make these comparisons.
BYU: (3) 11/8 vs Santa Clara (224) 11/10 vs San Fran (181) 11/15 @ St. Marys (42) 11/17 @ Pacific (142) 11/20 @ Loyola Martmount (63)
So only 2 games vs teams in Top 100, and average of the 5 is 130. Also, no back-to-back games
Purdue: (12) 11/9 @ Wisconsin (7) 11/10 @ Minnesota (4) 11/16 Nebraska (14) 11/17 Iowa (73) 11/21 @ Indiana (57) 11/24 @ Illinois (2)
3 in the Top 10, 4 in the Top 14. Two sets of back to backs. On the road for 3 games against teams in the Top 7.
Penn State: (17) 11/9 @ Northwestern (56) 11/10 @ Illinois (2) 11/14 Michigan (13) 11/17 Northwestern (56) 11/23 Minnesota (4) 11/24 Wisconsin (7)
3 in the Top 10, 4 in the Top 13. Two sets of back to backs.
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 7, 2018 14:50:09 GMT -5
No disrespect, but it is easy to pick on a BYU for something like this because they have only played 3 games against Top25 teams. None as true road games and none since mid September. It is hypothetical, and no one does really know. But the Big10 plays a lot of Friday/Saturday back to back in the conference play, and it is easy to say BYU would not have more losses when they don’t have to play in Madison against Wisconsin on a Friday night and then come back Saturday and play at Minnesota. Very true! I find it funny when these people make these proclamations as fact. Since it's me I can say that no one made the proclamation as fact. It's a statement based on opinion...my opinion. Disagree if you like.
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 7, 2018 15:14:12 GMT -5
There will be some pudding available in December, where one can find some proof. Not sure what proof - it's not like BYU gets to play a Big10 (or Pac12, for that matter) type schedule in December. If they win it all - then their record is validated - no doubt. But earlier you mentioned that 4 losses in Big10 put them with Purdue and Penn State, and you thought they were better. So compare the remaining schedules below (current RPI in parenthesis). Really hard to make these comparisons.
BYU: (3) 11/8 vs Santa Clara (224) 11/10 vs San Fran (181) 11/15 @ St. Marys (42) 11/17 @ Pacific (142) 11/20 @ Loyola Martmount (63)
So only 2 games vs teams in Top 100, and average of the 5 is 130. Also, no back-to-back games
Purdue: (12) 11/9 @ Wisconsin (7) 11/10 @ Minnesota (4) 11/16 Nebraska (14) 11/17 Iowa (73) 11/21 @ Indiana (57) 11/24 @ Illinois (2)
3 in the Top 10, 4 in the Top 14. Two sets of back to backs. On the road for 3 games against teams in the Top 7.
Penn State: (17) 11/9 @ Northwestern (56) 11/10 @ Illinois (2) 11/14 Michigan (13) 11/17 Northwestern (56) 11/23 Minnesota (4) 11/24 Wisconsin (7)
3 in the Top 10, 4 in the Top 13. Two sets of back to backs.
Very nice work you compiled there. Unfortunately, all the matches you listed take place in November. I referenced December. In other words, post season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 15:29:29 GMT -5
Not sure what proof - it's not like BYU gets to play a Big10 (or Pac12, for that matter) type schedule in December. If they win it all - then their record is validated - no doubt. But earlier you mentioned that 4 losses in Big10 put them with Purdue and Penn State, and you thought they were better. So compare the remaining schedules below (current RPI in parenthesis). Really hard to make these comparisons.
BYU: (3) 11/8 vs Santa Clara (224) 11/10 vs San Fran (181) 11/15 @ St. Marys (42) 11/17 @ Pacific (142) 11/20 @ Loyola Martmount (63)
So only 2 games vs teams in Top 100, and average of the 5 is 130. Also, no back-to-back games
Purdue: (12) 11/9 @ Wisconsin (7) 11/10 @ Minnesota (4) 11/16 Nebraska (14) 11/17 Iowa (73) 11/21 @ Indiana (57) 11/24 @ Illinois (2)
3 in the Top 10, 4 in the Top 14. Two sets of back to backs. On the road for 3 games against teams in the Top 7.
Penn State: (17) 11/9 @ Northwestern (56) 11/10 @ Illinois (2) 11/14 Michigan (13) 11/17 Northwestern (56) 11/23 Minnesota (4) 11/24 Wisconsin (7)
3 in the Top 10, 4 in the Top 13. Two sets of back to backs.
Very nice work you compiled there. Unfortunately, all the matches you listed take place in November. I referenced December. In other words, post season. I understand that. That is why I said they were the remaining schedules below. You want to talk post season, and that is OK. BYU will get 4 Home matches in the higher elevation to get to the Final 4. Get to the Final 4 and everyone will say it validates their record. My point, along with several others, is that if BYU had to go through this type of schedule week in and week out, would you be in that same Top 4 position. As I said, it is all hpypothetical. But the schedule and level of competition is night and day.
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Post by donut on Nov 7, 2018 15:33:55 GMT -5
Very nice work you compiled there. Unfortunately, all the matches you listed take place in November. I referenced December. In other words, post season. I understand that. That is why I said they were the remaining schedules below. You want to talk post season, and that is OK. BYU will get 4 Home matches in the higher elevation to get to the Final 4. Get to the Final 4 and everyone will say it validates their record. My point, along with several others, is that if BYU had to go through this type of schedule week in and week out, would you be in that same Top 4 position. As I said, it is all hpypothetical. But the schedule and level of competition is night and day. The "proof" he is referring to is the NCAA tournament - i.e. how they fare against other Top 10 teams. He's saying, if they lose in December before the Final (or Final Four idk), they're overrated. If they win it all, their ranking will be validated. I think he's probably predicting the former Also I have no idea what the bolded above is supposed to mean.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 15:51:57 GMT -5
I understand that. That is why I said they were the remaining schedules below. You want to talk post season, and that is OK. BYU will get 4 Home matches in the higher elevation to get to the Final 4. Get to the Final 4 and everyone will say it validates their record. My point, along with several others, is that if BYU had to go through this type of schedule week in and week out, would you be in that same Top 4 position. As I said, it is all hpypothetical. But the schedule and level of competition is night and day. The "proof" he is referring to is the NCAA tournament - i.e. how they fare against other Top 10 teams. He's saying, if they lose in December before the Final (or Final Four idk), they're overrated. If they win it all, their ranking will be validated. I think he's probably predicting the former Also I have no idea what the bolded above is supposed to mean. The boldest is in reference to the remaining conference schedules, showing that BYU’s path to a Top4 seed is much easier than some of the other teams that were brought up in earlier posts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 15:52:37 GMT -5
I understand that. That is why I said they were the remaining schedules below. You want to talk post season, and that is OK. BYU will get 4 Home matches in the higher elevation to get to the Final 4. Get to the Final 4 and everyone will say it validates their record. My point, along with several others, is that if BYU had to go through this type of schedule week in and week out, would you be in that same Top 4 position. As I said, it is all hpypothetical. But the schedule and level of competition is night and day. The "proof" he is referring to is the NCAA tournament - i.e. how they fare against other Top 10 teams. He's saying, if they lose in December before the Final (or Final Four idk), they're overrated. If they win it all, their ranking will be validated. I think he's probably predicting the former Also I have no idea what the bolded above is supposed to mean. The bolded is in reference to the remaining conference schedules, showing that BYU’s path to a Top4 seed is much easier than some of the other teams that were brought up in earlier posts.
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 7, 2018 21:57:54 GMT -5
One of my worst errors in evaluating teams this year was with Michigan. I have had them in the Top 10 for most of the year, until 2-3 weeks ago. What was I thinking? Obviously thought they were much better than they are. Next week I will still have them in Top 25, but not by much.
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Post by vbprisoner on Nov 8, 2018 11:43:31 GMT -5
One of my worst errors in evaluating teams this year was with Michigan. I have had them in the Top 10 for most of the year, until 2-3 weeks ago. What was I thinking? Obviously thought they were much better than they are. Next week I will still have them in Top 25, but not by much. I had Michigan early on in the 20-25 range, and then as high as 16, but they had not played anyone of significance their first 10 matches so it was more a rise through other teams ranked 16-25 losing. I also think Purdue has gotten the same unwarranted love this season and they are not a top 15 team IMO but many voters like them and I saw them ranked as high as #8 in one ballot this past week. SMH. I had Michigan ranked 17 and Purdue 18 this past week.
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