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Post by vup on Mar 15, 2019 18:51:48 GMT -5
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Post by vup on Mar 15, 2019 18:53:13 GMT -5
Great shot in that first photo by the way 👍
And nice panorama view in the last tweet 😍
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Post by trollhunter on Mar 16, 2019 12:12:38 GMT -5
Curious why Nebraska calls Chaminade a scrimmage, when they list other exhibitions as wins on their schedule.
It appears that Concordia Irvine (NCAA D2) is their only countable match so far.
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Post by smb4 on Mar 16, 2019 17:20:36 GMT -5
Anyone know why Jazz isn't playing today. She's been paired with Knuckles in their previous matches, but based on the live stats it looks like Davis is playing with Knuckles today.
Edit: Never mind - now Sweet is playing (according to the live stats).
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Post by ilikecorn on Mar 18, 2019 12:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by diskprotek on Mar 18, 2019 15:24:51 GMT -5
Curious why Nebraska calls Chaminade a scrimmage, when they list other exhibitions as wins on their schedule. It appears that Concordia Irvine (NCAA D2) is their only countable match so far. curious as to why Nebraska even claims to play beach volleyball. I’m thinking it’s a recruiting perk for indoor players - hey, we take a trip to Hawaii every spring 😏 |
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Post by finalthoughts on Mar 18, 2019 16:00:28 GMT -5
Curious why Nebraska calls Chaminade a scrimmage, when they list other exhibitions as wins on their schedule. It appears that Concordia Irvine (NCAA D2) is their only countable match so far. curious as to why Nebraska even claims to play beach volleyball. I’m thinking it’s a recruiting perk for indoor players - hey, we take a trip to Hawaii every spring 😏 I would say that they "claim to play beach volleyball" because they are a Division 1 program, as approved by the NCAA. It's not like they don't have a schedule of matches, play them, and, at times, receive votes for the top 20 rankings. Why they play, is probably the better question. Sure a trip to Hawaii is a fun thing, but there is absolutely an advantage to cross training indoor players. Players who would not get the conditioning required to play in the sand or the defensive/passing reps in an indoor spring practice or game setting, are two of, but not the only, reasons why it is beneficial. |
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Post by diskprotek on Mar 18, 2019 16:51:28 GMT -5
curious as to why Nebraska even claims to play beach volleyball. I’m thinking it’s a recruiting perk for indoor players - hey, we take a trip to Hawaii every spring 😏 I would say that they "claim to play beach volleyball" because they are a Division 1 program, as approved by the NCAA. It's not like they don't have a schedule of matches, play them, and, at times, receive votes for the top 20 rankings. Why they play, is probably the better question. Sure a trip to Hawaii is a fun thing, but there is absolutely an advantage to cross training indoor players. Players who would not get the conditioning required to play in the sand or the defensive/passing reps in an indoor spring practice or game setting, are two of, but not the only, reasons why it is beneficial. Let's look at that schedule: Missouri Baptist - does not participate in NCAA (NAIA) Concordia - NCAA Division 2 Grossmont College - a junior college West Valley - a junior college Rio Hondo - a junior college Mira Costa - a junior college San Diego Mesa - a junior college West Valley (again) - a junior college Ottawa College - Kansas - does not participate in NCAA (NAIA) Ottawa College (again) - does not participate in NCAA (NAIA) Park University (Mo) - does not participate in NCAA (NAIA) Chaminade - NCAA Division 2 - but hey, its an "exhibition" b/c Chaminade doesn't even have a beach volleyball team (ugh) Westcliff - Not affiliated with NCAA or NAIA Irvine Valley - a junior college Colorado Mesa - NCAA division 2 Now they do play a smattering of NCAA Division 1 teams - a grand total of 3 not in Hawaii. And all of Nebraska's Division 1 games are played during Nebraska's spring break. So they play Division 1 beach volleyball for roughly 10 days. So, ya, I think it's pretty fair to say that Nebraska's program is a joke. It has maybe three purposes: (1) extra touches for the indoor players; (2) double counting the girls who play beach for Title IX purposes; and (3) recruiting benefit - hey, come play at Nebraska, and in addition to being at a top indoor program, we go to Hawaii every spring break. If Nebraska receives any votes for the top 20, it comes from the Nebraska coaching staff. |
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Post by trollhunter on Mar 18, 2019 16:57:06 GMT -5
curious as to why Nebraska even claims to play beach volleyball. I’m thinking it’s a recruiting perk for indoor players - hey, we take a trip to Hawaii every spring 😏 I would say that they "claim to play beach volleyball" because they are a Division 1 program, as approved by the NCAA. It's not like they don't have a schedule of matches, play them, and, at times, receive votes for the top 20 rankings. Why they play, is probably the better question. Sure a trip to Hawaii is a fun thing, but there is absolutely an advantage to cross training indoor players. Players who would not get the conditioning required to play in the sand or the defensive/passing reps in an indoor spring practice or game setting, are two of, but not the only, reasons why it is beneficial. My main gripe is that Nebraska (and a few others) list non-counting matches as wins on their record. That is certainly not NCAA approved. You never see this for indoor volleyball exhibitions, scrimmages, alumni games, foreign tours, spring games, etc. It probably looks worse since Nebraska Beach is playing so many of them. They count toward minimum/maximum dates of competition, but not toward your record. The rule for this is identical for indoor volleyball, so "didn't know" doesn't really wash. "BYLAW 31.3.3.1 – COUNTABLE COMPETITION For NCAA team-championship selection purposes, competition is countable only when the teams played are varsity intercollegiate teams of four-year, degree-granting institutions that conduct a majority of their competition in that team sport against varsity intercollegiate teams (see Constitution 3.2.4.5) of United States four-year, degree-granting institutions. Competition against service teams, professional teams, semiprofessional teams, amateur teams, two-year colleges and club teams shall be excluded." JuCo matches are specifically excluded. NAIA does not recognize Beach as a varsity sport, so those are club teams (same as Chaminade). There was a provision that you could count one (1) NAIA match when it was an emerging sport, not sure if that still exists. Many other teams play weak schedules, somewhat shortened seasons, limited travel, etc - so that kinda stuff doesn't bug me. But claiming NCAA wins in non-counting matches is another story. |
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Post by yupyupyup on Mar 18, 2019 17:07:25 GMT -5
I would say that they "claim to play beach volleyball" because they are a Division 1 program, as approved by the NCAA. It's not like they don't have a schedule of matches, play them, and, at times, receive votes for the top 20 rankings. Why they play, is probably the better question. Sure a trip to Hawaii is a fun thing, but there is absolutely an advantage to cross training indoor players. Players who would not get the conditioning required to play in the sand or the defensive/passing reps in an indoor spring practice or game setting, are two of, but not the only, reasons why it is beneficial. Let's look at that schedule: Missouri Baptist - does not participate in NCAA (NAIA) Concordia - NCAA Division 2 Grossmont College - a junior college West Valley - a junior college Rio Hondo - a junior college Mira Costa - a junior college San Diego Mesa - a junior college West Valley (again) - a junior college Ottawa College - Kansas - does not participate in NCAA (NAIA) Ottawa College (again) - does not participate in NCAA (NAIA) Park University (Mo) - does not participate in NCAA (NAIA) Chaminade - NCAA Division 2 - but hey, its an "exhibition" b/c Chaminade doesn't even have a beach volleyball team (ugh) Westcliff - Not affiliated with NCAA or NAIA Irvine Valley - a junior college Colorado Mesa - NCAA division 2 Now they do play a smattering of NCAA Division 1 teams - a grand total of 3 not in Hawaii. And all of Nebraska's Division 1 games are played during Nebraska's spring break. So they play Division 1 beach volleyball for roughly 10 days. So, ya, I think it's pretty fair to say that Nebraska's program is a joke. It has maybe three purposes: (1) extra touches for the indoor players; (2) double counting the girls who play beach for Title IX purposes; and (3) recruiting benefit - hey, come play at Nebraska, and in addition to being at a top indoor program, we go to Hawaii every spring break. If Nebraska receives any votes for the top 20, it comes from the Nebraska coaching staff. Nebraska is known for developing their players to be complete volleyball players and playing beach is part of that development for the indoor team. Instead of saying that Nebraska’s program is a complete joke, maybe have a different perspective of them paving a way for other top indoor teams to creating a beach program and growing the game of beach volleyball. Here we are saying a program is a joke, and the other hand we’re complaining why beach volleyball is not more prevalent. |
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Post by finalthoughts on Mar 18, 2019 17:11:17 GMT -5
I would say that they "claim to play beach volleyball" because they are a Division 1 program, as approved by the NCAA. It's not like they don't have a schedule of matches, play them, and, at times, receive votes for the top 20 rankings. Why they play, is probably the better question. Sure a trip to Hawaii is a fun thing, but there is absolutely an advantage to cross training indoor players. Players who would not get the conditioning required to play in the sand or the defensive/passing reps in an indoor spring practice or game setting, are two of, but not the only, reasons why it is beneficial. My main gripe is that they (and a few others) list non-counting matches as wins on their record. That is certainly not NCAA approved. You never see this for indoor volleyball exhibitions, scrimmages, alumni games, foreign tours, spring games, etc. It probably looks worse since Nebraska Beach is playing so many of them. They count toward minimum/maximum dates of competition, but not toward your record. The rule for this is identical for indoor volleyball, so "didn't know" doesn't really wash. "BYLAW 31.3.3.1 – COUNTABLE COMPETITION For NCAA team-championship selection purposes, competition is countable only when the teams played are varsity intercollegiate teams of four-year, degree-granting institutions that conduct a majority of their competition in that team sport against varsity intercollegiate teams (see Constitution 3.2.4.5) of United States four-year, degree-granting institutions. Competition against service teams, professional teams, semiprofessional teams, amateur teams, two-year colleges and club teams shall be excluded." JuCo matches are specifically excluded. NAIA does not recognize Beach as a varsity sport, so those are club teams. There was a provision that you could count one (1) NAIA match when it was an emerging sport, but I don't see it anymore. Many other teams play weak schedules, somewhat shortened seasons, limited travel, etc. But claiming NCAA wins in non-counting matches is another story. You definitely raise some good points here and I am not expert enough to dispute many of them. One point that comes to mind though is fact that Nebraska hasn't sent pairs in the past, if eligible, to the championships (where the rule you posted applies) due to the timing of their final exams. Knowing that you aren't going to play for NCAA championships does alter the mindset in terms of scheduling, I'm sure. While I can't say that I'm truly for or against that move, or the schedule choices on the whole, for sake of growing the beach game (just look at how few programs there are outside of the southeast and CA), I'd rather have a team play this, for lack of a better term, modified schedule than none at all. If Nebraska having some sort of beach program is what prompts or provides credibility to other schools in the non-hotbed areas or conferences to start a program, go for it. |
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Post by trollhunter on Mar 18, 2019 17:19:23 GMT -5
My main gripe is that they (and a few others) list non-counting matches as wins on their record. That is certainly not NCAA approved. You never see this for indoor volleyball exhibitions, scrimmages, alumni games, foreign tours, spring games, etc. It probably looks worse since Nebraska Beach is playing so many of them. They count toward minimum/maximum dates of competition, but not toward your record. The rule for this is identical for indoor volleyball, so "didn't know" doesn't really wash. "BYLAW 31.3.3.1 – COUNTABLE COMPETITION For NCAA team-championship selection purposes, competition is countable only when the teams played are varsity intercollegiate teams of four-year, degree-granting institutions that conduct a majority of their competition in that team sport against varsity intercollegiate teams (see Constitution 3.2.4.5) of United States four-year, degree-granting institutions. Competition against service teams, professional teams, semiprofessional teams, amateur teams, two-year colleges and club teams shall be excluded." JuCo matches are specifically excluded. NAIA does not recognize Beach as a varsity sport, so those are club teams. There was a provision that you could count one (1) NAIA match when it was an emerging sport, but I don't see it anymore. Many other teams play weak schedules, somewhat shortened seasons, limited travel, etc. But claiming NCAA wins in non-counting matches is another story. You definitely raise some good points here and I am not expert enough to dispute many of them. One point that comes to mind though is fact that Nebraska hasn't sent pairs in the past, if eligible, to the championships (where the rule you posted applies) due to the timing of their final exams. Knowing that you aren't going to play for NCAA championships does alter the mindset in terms of scheduling, I'm sure. While I can't say that I'm truly for or against that move, or the schedule choices on the whole, for sake of growing the beach game (just look at how few programs there are outside of the southeast and CA), I'd rather have a team play this, for lack of a better term, modified schedule than none at all. If Nebraska having some sort of beach program is what prompts or provides credibility to other schools in the non-hotbed areas or conferences to start a program, go for it. Good points yourself and I agree about them playing this modified schedule for your reasons - just don't spin it into something it's not by claiming "wins" on your record for JuCo / NAIA. List exhibition or scrimmage like they did for Chaminade. Counting D2 is fine. Even D3 is fine. The pairs event was actually when Beach (Sand) was not yet a NCAA varsity sport (Emerging), and was run by the AVCA, not NCAA sanctioned. AVCA does *not* list NAIA teams as varsity, so can't even blame them. |
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Post by vup on Mar 18, 2019 23:05:25 GMT -5
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Mar 18, 2019 23:17:28 GMT -5
I’m glad the weather was nice and the Huskers were able to enjoy their experience on Oahu. They haven’t had much success (from a win/loss perspective) but they play hard and are a likeable group (unlike Cal’s team.)
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Post by kalihifc on Mar 19, 2019 0:23:27 GMT -5
Curious why Nebraska calls Chaminade a scrimmage, when they list other exhibitions as wins on their schedule. It appears that Concordia Irvine (NCAA D2) is their only countable match so far. I walked by Queen's on Friday morning while they were competing. There were no refs, and one male suited up for Chaminade. The teams also seemed to play multiple pairs, but I'm not sure about the part because I didn't stay long. |
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