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Apr 10, 2019 11:09:27 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 11:09:27 GMT -5
This is not really an issue. No one seems to be able to cite any instances at all. And it is just creating people to polarize. Sorry I asked.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 10, 2019 11:23:48 GMT -5
Isn’t there a Brazilian player who is transgendered who was putting up some insane numbers?
As someone who is apart of the lgbtq community, even I can see why people might be hesitant to allow this.
I’m a firm believer that even before ANY surgery is done, if you want to be addressed as male or female, I fully will support that and use the pronouns that you want me to use. I will fight for your rights, and march for you. I will always stand up against prejudice and injustive. but with sports; especially MTF, when does it become “fair” (I really don’t know what word to use). Is it when testotorone levels start to match what the average female has? Is it when gender assignment surgery is fully complete? Or do we allow it whenever they want? In the instance of the last one, is that really fair to the competition? It’s a situation that is going to have so many different opinions that not everyone will agree upon, and is always going to cause conflict but IMO needs to be addressed.
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Post by donut on Apr 10, 2019 11:29:53 GMT -5
This is going to go well... again.
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Apr 10, 2019 11:34:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 11:34:57 GMT -5
I think you have to separate adults from teens. Adults that are transitioning or have already transitioned may not have that large of an advantage if the studies (I know studies are biased to the side funding) are correct and the drugs have taken away any natural advantage (height is hard to take away though). I also think there is no advantage in 10-14 year olds since girls mature faster and a 14 year old girl likely is better than a good majority of 14 year old boys (maybe 13 is a better cut off). But at 16/17/18/19 I do not think there can really be a debate about whether a male fully past puberty is stronger/faster/taller than the average female. That is where the most "advantage" would be seen I think. And most of the stories on sprinting, running and wrestling have been at this age range. Maybe the number is so small it is completely unnoticed and VB is a team sport whereas the sports highlighted are one athlete beating another (and the implications that spin from that).
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Apr 10, 2019 11:35:48 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 11:35:48 GMT -5
Isn’t there a Brazilian player who is transgendered who was putting up some insane numbers? As someone who is apart of the lgbtq community, even I can see why people might be hesitant to allow this. I’m a firm believer that even before ANY surgery is done, if you want to be addressed as male or female, I fully will support that and use the pronouns that you want me to use. I will fight for your rights, and march for you. I will always stand up against prejudice and injustive. but with sports; especially MTF, when does it become “fair” (I really don’t know what word to use). Is it when testotorone levels start to match what the average female has? Is it when gender assignment surgery is fully complete? Or do we allow it whenever they want? In the instance of the last one, is that really fair to the competition? It’s a situation that is going to have so many different opinions that not everyone will agree upon, and is always going to cause conflict but IMO needs to be addressed. Tiffany Perreira. She plays for Sesi-Bauru. In a QFinal game she scored 28 points and eliminated Sesc-Rio. This was the first time ever Sesc-Rio did not reach the semis.
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Apr 10, 2019 11:42:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 11:42:03 GMT -5
This is going to go well... again. Why? Are you going to take it on a tangent to debate a settled issue by USA Volleyball? The question is why don't you see this happening in VB? There are over 400,000 girls playing HS and club in the US. What is the percentage of transgendered by best guesses? There must be 100s if not 1000s of transgendered teens playing volleyball? Surely you are mature enough to resist posting immature jokes about it?
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Apr 10, 2019 12:24:13 GMT -5
Post by Brutus Buckeye on Apr 10, 2019 12:24:13 GMT -5
This won't have much of an effect on men's sports, but will be a pretty big issue regarding women's sports going forward.
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Apr 10, 2019 12:34:06 GMT -5
Post by jcvball22 on Apr 10, 2019 12:34:06 GMT -5
This won't have much of an effect on men's sports, but will be a pretty big issue regarding women's sports going forward. Why would it be an issue regarding women's sports moving forward?
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Post by ciscokeed on Apr 10, 2019 12:37:58 GMT -5
A lot of thoughtful posts here...my heart and my head are at odds on this one. My heart says let them play. My head says it’s not fair competition... the llbgt community has already gone through so much. It’s going to take the wisdom of Solomon to figure this one out.
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Apr 10, 2019 12:57:55 GMT -5
Post by pepperbrooks on Apr 10, 2019 12:57:55 GMT -5
This won't have much of an effect on men's sports, but will be a pretty big issue regarding women's sports going forward. Why would it be an issue regarding women's sports moving forward? Because transitioning women (I think that's the right term) will probably have a decided physiological advantage over women born women.
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Apr 10, 2019 12:59:18 GMT -5
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Apr 10, 2019 12:59:18 GMT -5
My heart and my head both say the same thing: Who cares? Is this really worth discussing?
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Post by jcvball22 on Apr 10, 2019 13:10:27 GMT -5
Why would it be an issue regarding women's sports moving forward? Because transitioning women (I think that's the right term) will probably have a decided physiological advantage over women born women. Are you sure about that? There have been policies in place for years on transitioning athletes. There are several competing in the sport at a variety of levels. Outside of one athlete in Brazil, how big of an impact have transgender athletes had on the sport so far? Are you expecting a land rush of athletes suddenly transitioning to play... women's volleyball?
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Apr 10, 2019 13:13:27 GMT -5
Post by stevehorn on Apr 10, 2019 13:13:27 GMT -5
Recently there have been stories in local and (sometimes) national news about transgendered teens competing (and dominating) in sports. It appears to be at the high school and the club level. Most of the stories I have read or seen have been Track and Field (runners mostly) and Wrestling. I can see why those would be the sports most affected given muscle mass considerations and where 15-18 year old boys could dominated girls sports. Why is volleyball not affected in the same way? Is the height difference of a teen boy not as significant as the muscle mass advantage? Or are there just not that many transgendered teens competing in HS and club volleyball yet? I would suggest a couple of reasons. First, volleyball is a team sport. You compete as an individual in track and wrestling. I would guess that acclimating yourself mentally into a team is likely a daunting challenge.
Second I'm going to assume that a transgender boy plays the sports as a youngster that the other boys are playing. In most parts of the country, there are limited opportunities for a boy to play and learn volleyball so he would be starting out at a skill and experience disadvantage.
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Apr 10, 2019 13:13:31 GMT -5
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Post by vbjustice on Apr 10, 2019 13:13:31 GMT -5
A lot of thoughtful posts here...my heart and my head are at odds on this one. My heart says let them play. My head says it’s not fair competition... the llbgt community has already gone through so much. It’s going to take the wisdom of Solomon to figure this one out. Same.
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Apr 10, 2019 13:15:13 GMT -5
Post by boh on Apr 10, 2019 13:15:13 GMT -5
My heart and my head both say the same thing: Who cares? Is this really worth discussing? In all things sports the issue of fairness should come up. Is it fair to have a ref on the stand that will only call ball handling errors on one team and not the other? Is it fair if one team gets 7 on the court and the other gets 6? Is it fair to have a male transitioning to (I apologize if this is not the correct terminology) a female playing against females? The first two questions the answer is obvious, but the 3rd one is hard to answer. Fairness is worth discussing, and my guess would be if you were coaching or playing in the first two scenarios I mentioned you would care...so that is why people care about the third. I wish I had an answer. I think ciscokeed put it into words best, my heart says one thing and my head says another. The answer is probably somewhere between.
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