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Post by Badger Alum on May 21, 2019 14:10:21 GMT -5
I think John Cook is truly an exceptional coach. He makes a difference. I did not feel that Nebraska had close to the talent of Minnesota or even Illinois (and possibly even Wisconsin) last year. And yet, there was Nebraska back in the Finals and competing really well. If Sun wasn't so bad in the Final Four, they might have won it all. I thought Minnesota was clearly the most talented team in the Big 10 last year. I think their shocking early exit from the tournament and all the transfers has me scratching my head as to what is really going on there. Doesn't make sense to me. But one thing I know is that Cook will have his team ready and they will likely over-achieve. Nebraska is always a very talented team. There can be variances in youth and inexperience, but always among the most talented teams. Cook is a great coach, but let us not kid ourselves into thinking he is winning with something less than elite talent. Minnesota - their exit last year shouldn't be shocking (it was disappointing given how good they were for the season). In the big picture - the transfers out of the system looks like a complete non-issue for this team going forward. The program still looks like they are on the cusp of being among the other top 4 programs in the country. The pipeline is rich. I just don't see any bad years in the foreseeable future and each year they are/should be in contention for a NC. One unfortunately timed match last year in the tournament changes nothing for the future (so I think). I agree Nebraska is very talented. Always has been under Cook (and before). But my point was last year, his team wasn't as talented as Minnesota nor Illinois. And they certainly didn't have the talent of Stanford. And yet they played for the NC and if Sun was halfway decent, they could have won the NC. And don't misunderstand, I don't like Cook. There are things he does that I'm not a fan of. But I certainly respect his ability to coach and get his teams ready to play. Last year's NCAA tournament is a great example of that. |
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Post by bluepenquin on May 21, 2019 14:33:05 GMT -5
Nebraska is always a very talented team. There can be variances in youth and inexperience, but always among the most talented teams. Cook is a great coach, but let us not kid ourselves into thinking he is winning with something less than elite talent. Minnesota - their exit last year shouldn't be shocking (it was disappointing given how good they were for the season). In the big picture - the transfers out of the system looks like a complete non-issue for this team going forward. The program still looks like they are on the cusp of being among the other top 4 programs in the country. The pipeline is rich. I just don't see any bad years in the foreseeable future and each year they are/should be in contention for a NC. One unfortunately timed match last year in the tournament changes nothing for the future (so I think). I agree Nebraska is very talented. Always has been under Cook (and before). But my point was last year, his team wasn't as talented as Minnesota nor Illinois. And they certainly didn't have the talent of Stanford. And yet they played for the NC and if Sun was halfway decent, they could have won the NC. And don't misunderstand, I don't like Cook. There are things he does that I'm not a fan of. But I certainly respect his ability to coach and get his teams ready to play. Last year's NCAA tournament is a great example of that. And this, I don't agree with you. But I could easily be wrong. |
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Post by huskerjen on May 21, 2019 14:39:40 GMT -5
I agree Nebraska is very talented. Always has been under Cook (and before). But my point was last year, his team wasn't as talented as Minnesota nor Illinois. And they certainly didn't have the talent of Stanford. And yet they played for the NC and if Sun was halfway decent, they could have won the NC. And don't misunderstand, I don't like Cook. There are things he does that I'm not a fan of. But I certainly respect his ability to coach and get his teams ready to play. Last year's NCAA tournament is a great example of that. And this, I don't agree with you. But I could easily be wrong. I guess it depends on how talent is defined. Going by your black ink method, it seems Nebraska's starting lineup was more talented than Minneosta's or Illinois', but I would need to go back and look at their ratings to verify. |
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Post by TuesdayGone on May 21, 2019 15:19:30 GMT -5
Foecke, Stiverns, Maloney would start for every team in country
The real strength in Nebraska last year (other than Foecke) is Nebraska's serving.
They were the best serving team i saw in the country last year, which is what lead to their defense being the best defense
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Post by Disc808 on May 21, 2019 15:24:13 GMT -5
Foecke, Stiverns, Maloney would start for every team in country The real strength in Nebraska last year (other than Foecke) is Nebraska's serving. They were the best serving team i saw in the country last year, which is what lead to their defense being the best defense Disagree on Maloney starting on every team in country |
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Post by WahineFan44 on May 21, 2019 15:38:27 GMT -5
Foecke, Stiverns, Maloney would start for every team in country The real strength in Nebraska last year (other than Foecke) is Nebraska's serving. They were the best serving team i saw in the country last year, which is what lead to their defense being the best defense Disagree about Maloney. Agree 1000 percent about Foecke and Stivrins. I was shocked at first when I saw stivrins on the first team, but upon further reflection, She definitely deserved it. Such a special player. |
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Post by TuesdayGone on May 21, 2019 16:35:35 GMT -5
Foecke, Stiverns, Maloney would start for every team in country The real strength in Nebraska last year (other than Foecke) is Nebraska's serving. They were the best serving team i saw in the country last year, which is what lead to their defense being the best defense Disagree on Maloney starting on every team in country Not just libero...but she would for sure d/s and serve (even at stanford) Maloney is a great server...and great passer. I heard she had the 2nd best passing numbers in country. |
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Jun 4, 2019 6:17:57 GMT -5
I finally voted in the poll. I believe the upcoming season will be Wisconsin's, due to 3 factors, Rettke, Rettke, and Rettke at MB. She also has a noteworthy supporting cast in Hilley (setter), and passers (Clark & Barnes). Minnesota and Nebraska should follow in either order, Purdue and Illinois after that in either order, and Penn State after that rounding out the top 6.
I have posted this before, however, I am particularly curious to see how the conference order of finish shakes out, to measure the coaching ability of the top volleyball coaches' conference in the country. Wisconsin's Sheffield has done a terrific job of recruiting (particularly in raiding Illinois talent from the suburbs of Chicago). I do not believe his on-court success has matched his dogged recruiting efforts. This should be his year. (And perhaps the year after that). I remember Rettke's freshman season when almost every week she was being named Freshman of the Week in B1G. I think it is a pretty safe bet that we will be seeing Rettke's name almost every week in one category or another...she could/should be that dominant.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 10:31:39 GMT -5
I finally voted in the poll. I believe the upcoming season will be Wisconsin's, due to 3 factors, Rettke, Rettke, and Rettke at MB. She also has a noteworthy supporting cast in Hilley (setter), and passers (Clark & Barnes). Minnesota and Nebraska should follow in either order, Purdue and Illinois after that in either order, and Penn State after that rounding out the top 6. I have posted this before, however, I am particularly curious to see how the conference order of finish shakes out, to measure the coaching ability of the top volleyball coaches' conference in the country. Wisconsin's Sheffield has done a terrific job of recruiting (particularly in raiding Illinois talent from the suburbs of Chicago). I do not believe his on-court success has matched his dogged recruiting efforts. This should be his year. (And perhaps the year after that). I remember Rettke's freshman season when almost every week she was being named Freshman of the Week in B1G. I think it is a pretty safe bet that we will be seeing Rettke's name almost every week in one category or another...she could/should be that dominant. Rettke is a 3.5 rotation player. As Minnesota proved last year in their 2nd match, Wisconsin can't win with Rettke alone. Wisconsin still has huge question marks at OH, which seems to be a staple of that program. They also have a talented, but raw middle to go along with Rettke. Sheffield may have been doing a great job recruiting on paper, but where someone was ranked on a senior aces list is immaterial to me. They have one OH who is still trying to get back to her form from 2016 and another who is a bit up and down. Potential is there, but until their left side weakness is resolved, I'll stick with picking Minnesota and Nebraska in the B1G. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 10:38:12 GMT -5
Foecke is the most underrated player in college vb. SHE is the reason Nebraska went to 4 straight final 4’s Everyone will see how underrated she was this year without her. Who on earth underrated Foecke hahahha I’m pretty sure everyone thinks she is incredible, the announcers certainly don’t shy away from it Clearly you didn't spend much time in the thread discussing NPOY candidates. Seemed there were Huskers fans deeply sensitive to the idea that someone other than Foecke might win NPOY and that not winning it was a sign of deep disrespect to Foecke and Nebraska. Or some nonsense. I honestly think I saw a Nebraska fan trying to play the "No Respect" card about the entire program.  To be fair, that may have just been that holidayhusker character who stirred things up so much that it seemed like it was 3 or 4 of them. Foecke proved to much better than I thought she was through her first 2 years at Nebraska. And I really like what she showed at the VNL and hope that she sticks with volleyball long-term and works her way up the ladder with the national team. |
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Post by FreeBall on Jun 4, 2019 10:42:05 GMT -5
Who on earth underrated Foecke hahahha I’m pretty sure everyone thinks she is incredible, the announcers certainly don’t shy away from it I honestly think I saw a Nebraska fan trying to play the "No Respect" card about the entire program. To be fair, that may have just been that holidayhusker character who stirred things up so much that it seemed like it was 3 or 4 of them. Exactly! |
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Post by huskerjen on Jun 4, 2019 12:42:31 GMT -5
Who on earth underrated Foecke hahahha I’m pretty sure everyone thinks she is incredible, the announcers certainly don’t shy away from it Clearly you didn't spend much time in the thread discussing NPOY candidates. Seemed there were Huskers fans deeply sensitive to the idea that someone other than Foecke might win NPOY and that not winning it was a sign of deep disrespect to Foecke and Nebraska. Or some nonsense. I honestly think I saw a Nebraska fan trying to play the "No Respect" card about the entire program. To be fair, that may have just been that holidayhusker character who stirred things up so much that it seemed like it was 3 or 4 of them. Foecke proved to much better than I thought she was through her first 2 years at Nebraska. And I really like what she showed at the VNL and hope that she sticks with volleyball long-term and works her way up the ladder with the national team. Foecke's development at Nebraska was remarkable. I know some may be incredulous regarding that statement since she won the FF MOP her freshman year, but she went from being a one shot/one gear player to being a true elite 6-rotation OH who just happens to play her best during the biggest moments. I'm glad she signed a 2-year contract. I think she'll find that she won't be able to give up the game with so much professional and USNT potential. I cannot wait to see the 2024 quad with all these young players which includes her. I hope that Plummer doesn't immediately go to beach, I want to see her on the same court with Foecke and either Poulter or Carlini setting them. That's not to mention all the other high-potential young players right now. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jun 4, 2019 12:48:23 GMT -5
Clearly you didn't spend much time in the thread discussing NPOY candidates. Seemed there were Huskers fans deeply sensitive to the idea that someone other than Foecke might win NPOY and that not winning it was a sign of deep disrespect to Foecke and Nebraska. Or some nonsense. I honestly think I saw a Nebraska fan trying to play the "No Respect" card about the entire program. To be fair, that may have just been that holidayhusker character who stirred things up so much that it seemed like it was 3 or 4 of them. Foecke proved to much better than I thought she was through her first 2 years at Nebraska. And I really like what she showed at the VNL and hope that she sticks with volleyball long-term and works her way up the ladder with the national team. Foecke's development at Nebraska was remarkable. I know some may be incredulous regarding that statement since she won the FF MOP her freshman year, but she went from being a one shot/one gear player to being a true elite 6-rotation OH who just happens to play her best during the biggest moments. I'm glad she signed a 2-year contract. I think she'll find that she won't be able to give up the game with so much professional and USNT potential. I cannot wait to see the 2024 quad with all these young players which includes her. I hope that Plummer doesn't immediately go to beach, I want to see her on the same court with Foecke and either Poulter or Carlini setting them. That's not to mention all the other high-potential young players right now. I wouldn’t call in “remarkable”. Cook definitely has a knack for developing 6 rotation players but foecke was a #2 senior ace and pretty highly touted amongst even non avid volleyball fans. Did she develop? Yes. But I think anyone could have saw her having the success she had. She definitely is one of the best post season players ever though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 12:58:27 GMT -5
Why does everyone forget that Foecke was a middle for nearly all of her prep career and for youth/junior USAV teams
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jun 4, 2019 14:04:44 GMT -5
Why does everyone forget that Foecke was a middle for nearly all of her prep career and for youth/junior USAV teams I didn't forget... I just plain didn't know that. |
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To be fair, that may have just been that holidayhusker character who stirred things up so much that it seemed like it was 3 or 4 of them. 