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Post by Not Me on May 29, 2019 15:17:37 GMT -5
You'd be better off with Pele, the soccer legend. Why would anyone pray to a living person? That Shiite don’t fly in my house. Pele is still alive?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 15:25:51 GMT -5
Ok, let's pretend some player was being paid, not that we know that is the issue. Who would be doing the paying, and through what vessel? There's not exactly a booster club or the "programs" that CFB teams have illicitly used. Somebody implied earlier in this thread that an athlete may have been paid well above the going rate for working Iowa camps. I find this more likely than the previous post about phony flights through a recruiting budget (which could also be fraud and potential legal troubles). No, that post was talking about paying a volunteer coach an amount of money that essentially would be equivalent to being a paid assistant coach, all in one go for working a camp. You might be right about possible legal implications of doing what I suggested. So maybe not. I guess it would all depend on the amount of "discretion" that the coach has to use the money. At Minnesota, the former AD was caught in a scandal with a local reporter, part of which there are texts saying he could fly her out to games "in style". I'm assuming he actually did something like that, and I don't recall him facing any legal troubles for fraudulent spending of athletic dept dollars.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 15:26:59 GMT -5
Regarding the "root of the problem". It all comes back to winning, of course. How does a program like Iowa, clearly outside the top 25, ever expect to be able to boot-strap itself up into the top 25, consistently? It seems like too much of a barrier to entry to overcome? Without spending considerable amounts of money it is tough, assuming the spending is done according to NCAA rules. The money would be spent on a well known head coach (who you might have to entice from another institution), assistants, and infrastructure (training facilities, new volleyball venue, etc). The new coaching staff and assistants will then be able to recruit top level talent and bootstrap the program. It would take several years -- it doesn't happen overnight. Right. OR maybe you go the "under the table" route and try to Cam Newton a top athlete into your program? That's the gist I was getting at, as far as the "root of the problem" goes.
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 29, 2019 16:06:01 GMT -5
Somebody implied earlier in this thread that an athlete may have been paid well above the going rate for working Iowa camps. I find this more likely than the previous post about phony flights through a recruiting budget (which could also be fraud and potential legal troubles). No, that post was talking about paying a volunteer coach an amount of money that essentially would be equivalent to being a paid assistant coach, all in one go for working a camp. You might be right about possible legal implications of doing what I suggested. So maybe not. I guess it would all depend on the amount of "discretion" that the coach has to use the money. At Minnesota, the former AD was caught in a scandal with a local reporter, part of which there are texts saying he could fly her out to games "in style". I'm assuming he actually did something like that, and I don't recall him facing any legal troubles for fraudulent spending of athletic dept dollars. Duffle bags full of cash. Unmarked bills, non-sequential.
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Post by huskerjen on May 29, 2019 16:32:20 GMT -5
Iowa is paying for their recruits? Nothing against those athletes, but you'd think in volleyball you could easily get top 5 classes without spending an exorbitant amount. This isn't football or basketball. I don't know about "easily." It's pretty tough to line up that good a class for a LOT of schools. If they're paying players though (aside from scholarship money and ancillary compensation related to the scholarship). Maybe they just didn't pay enough. I'm sure Iowa could land top 5 classes if they were dropping off bags of cash to recruits. Sure, the attraction of going to a bluelood is strong, but there are probably quite a few projected top 20 senior aces each year that would go to a lesser school contingent on some under-the-table cash.
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Post by n00b on May 29, 2019 16:58:04 GMT -5
No, that post was talking about paying a volunteer coach an amount of money that essentially would be equivalent to being a paid assistant coach, all in one go for working a camp. See below Heard it could have possibly been paying someone working camps a little extra money to pay for tuition. A LOT extra. Like, didn’t have a scholarship for a high profile transfer extra.
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Post by trollhunter on May 29, 2019 17:30:46 GMT -5
Ok, let's pretend some player was being paid, not that we know that is the issue. Who would be doing the paying, and through what vessel? There's not exactly a booster club or the "programs" that CFB teams have illicitly used. Somebody implied earlier in this thread that an athlete may have been paid well above the going rate for working Iowa camps. I find this more likely than the previous post about phony flights through a recruiting budget (which could also be fraud and potential legal troubles). This was my first thought also - thanks for saving me the trouble of finding and posting it.
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Post by bigfan on May 29, 2019 18:59:42 GMT -5
.........................there are probably quite a few projected top 20 senior aces each year that would go to a lesser school contingent on some under-the-table cash. Going rate about $50,000.
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Post by notwvb on May 29, 2019 19:52:08 GMT -5
I don't know about "easily." It's pretty tough to line up that good a class for a LOT of schools. If they're paying players though (aside from scholarship money and ancillary compensation related to the scholarship). Maybe they just didn't pay enough. I'm sure Iowa could land top 5 classes if they were dropping off bags of cash to recruits. Sure, the attraction of going to a bluelood is strong, but there are probably quite a few projected top 20 senior aces each year that would go to a lesser school contingent on some under-the-table cash.Marking this for 2019 Biggest Turkey Award material. Will do all I can to help you regain the crown.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 21:54:31 GMT -5
No, that post was talking about paying a volunteer coach an amount of money that essentially would be equivalent to being a paid assistant coach, all in one go for working a camp. See below A LOT extra. Like, didn’t have a scholarship for a high profile transfer extra. Thanks! I was thinking of the below post, but upon reading it more closely, it seems to confirm the idea that someone was paid some serious impermissible money for working an Iowa camp. I think the money paid to a player was in lieu of a scholarship - essentially they had 13 paid players on the floor which is a no-no. It's okay to pay your volunteer coaches an entire year's salary for working a summer camp; but you can't give a walkon athlete the same type of deal.
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Post by huskerjen on May 29, 2019 22:13:47 GMT -5
If they're paying players though (aside from scholarship money and ancillary compensation related to the scholarship). Maybe they just didn't pay enough. I'm sure Iowa could land top 5 classes if they were dropping off bags of cash to recruits. Sure, the attraction of going to a bluelood is strong, but there are probably quite a few projected top 20 senior aces each year that would go to a lesser school contingent on some under-the-table cash.Marking this for 2019 Biggest Turkey Award material. Will do all I can to help you regain the crown.
Thanks.
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Post by jayj79 on May 29, 2019 22:29:24 GMT -5
You'd be better off with Pele, the soccer legend. Why would anyone pray to a living person? That Shiite don’t fly in my house. many people pray to who they believe is a living person. But I won't elaborate as I don't want to break the "no religious discussion" rule
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Post by hammer on May 30, 2019 0:28:06 GMT -5
Why would anyone pray to a living person? That Shiite don’t fly in my house. many people pray to who they believe is a living person. But I won't elaborate as I don't want to break the "no religious discussion" rule I prayed that I'd never hear this song again ...
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 11:07:55 GMT -5
many people pray to who they believe is a living person. But I won't elaborate as I don't want to break the "no religious discussion" rule I prayed that I'd never hear this song again ... a bop
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Post by Wolfgang on May 30, 2019 21:11:45 GMT -5
'Cause I'm leavin' on a jet plane Don't know when I'll be back again Oh babe, I hate to go ... Dude, man, I was just watching the 7th episode of Barry (s1) and this song starts to play. And I'm going, "Holy f***!"
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