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Post by ilprepsvb on Jun 5, 2019 14:31:22 GMT -5
Quick update, rumblings on one of the Marquette message boards that this had something to do with a transfer from Marquette to Iowa. I'm not trying to make any assumptions/accusations since I am not in the know, just passing on the info that was over there.
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 6, 2019 2:28:45 GMT -5
Quick update, rumblings on one of the Marquette message boards that this had something to do with a transfer from Marquette to Iowa. I'm not trying to make any assumptions/accusations since I am not in the know, just passing on the info that was over there. well, that sure narrows it down
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Post by n00b on Jun 6, 2019 9:23:33 GMT -5
Let's be honest. If a coach leaves a school then ends up getting a transfer who he/she initially recruited, 95% of the time there was illegal tampering. This must've been tampering AND extra cash.
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Post by JT on Jun 6, 2019 10:31:52 GMT -5
Let's be honest. If a coach leaves a school then ends up getting a transfer who he/she initially recruited, 95% of the time there was illegal tampering. This must've been tampering AND extra cash. Huh? If the coach was significant in the SA's decision, it would be perfectly reasonable for her to want to transfer to follow along. If the SA feels that her current program will be disrupted/drop due to the departure of the coach, it would be oerfectly reasonable for her to want to transfer, and following the coach could be the simple/easy place to go. I know that '95' was pulled out of the random percentages box, but I doubt highly that only one in twenty such transfers (follow her coach) is legit and free of improper influence.
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Post by n00b on Jun 6, 2019 10:35:26 GMT -5
Let's be honest. If a coach leaves a school then ends up getting a transfer who he/she initially recruited, 95% of the time there was illegal tampering. This must've been tampering AND extra cash. Huh? If the coach was significant in the SA's decision, it would be perfectly reasonable for her to want to transfer to follow along. If the SA feels that her current program will be disrupted/drop due to the departure of the coach, it would be oerfectly reasonable for her to want to transfer, and following the coach could be the simple/easy place to go. I know that '95' was pulled out of the random percentages box, but I doubt highly that only one in twenty such transfers (follow her coach) is legit and free of improper influence. So those kids put themselves on the transfer portal without knowing if old coach's new school has a scholarship available? That's the only way there isn't tampering. How do those kids know that old coach thinks they can also be good at the higher level (assuming coach moved up)? They have those conversations when they aren't allowed. They probably go through intermediaries to cover their tracks but it still is impermissible. Edit: I agree with you that it's perfectly reasonable for the kid to want follow along. There's just no legal way for the coach to let the kid know if she has a scholarship or a spot available before she surrenders her current scholarship.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jun 6, 2019 10:57:57 GMT -5
I haven't seen a lot of poaching in collegiate sports, especially volleyball. However, I have seen some athletes move to new schools following a former coach. But usually, this is because the athlete in question is unhappy at her current school. So, the athlete herself may have initiated the contact. Not sure, of course, since I wasn't there.
Outside of collegiate sports, poaching happens all the time.
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Post by ilprepsvb on Jun 6, 2019 11:47:37 GMT -5
Well the weird situation with said SA if it is indeed the case is that she didn’t transfer right away after Bond left.
She stayed another two seasons at Marquette and was on pace to set the school record in kills and I believe just set the single season record.
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Post by Wiswell on Jun 6, 2019 11:54:48 GMT -5
Well the weird situation with said SA if it is indeed the case is that she didn’t transfer right away after Bond left. She stayed another two seasons at Marquette and was on pace to set the school record in kills and I believe just set the single season record. That doesn't sound weird; it sounds suspicious, as in "now that I know how good you are, come to Iowa."
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Post by n00b on Jun 6, 2019 12:01:12 GMT -5
Well the weird situation with said SA if it is indeed the case is that she didn’t transfer right away after Bond left. She stayed another two seasons at Marquette and was on pace to set the school record in kills and I believe just set the single season record. That doesn't sound weird; it sounds suspicious, as in "now that I know how good you are, come to Iowa." There are certain programs where you see a trend of getting those types of transfers...
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Post by Wolfgang on Jun 6, 2019 12:42:46 GMT -5
MI6 operatives like James Bond know how to recruit and manage assets, teach them things like how to get to a rendezvous without getting tailed, and use burner phones. Standard procedure. See the field manual.
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Post by hammer on Jun 6, 2019 13:02:53 GMT -5
Huh? If the coach was significant in the SA's decision, it would be perfectly reasonable for her to want to transfer to follow along. If the SA feels that her current program will be disrupted/drop due to the departure of the coach, it would be oerfectly reasonable for her to want to transfer, and following the coach could be the simple/easy place to go. I know that '95' was pulled out of the random percentages box, but I doubt highly that only one in twenty such transfers (follow her coach) is legit and free of improper influence. So those kids put themselves on the transfer portal without knowing if old coach's new school has a scholarship available? That's the only way there isn't tampering. How do those kids know that old coach thinks they can also be good at the higher level (assuming coach moved up)? They have those conversations when they aren't allowed. They probably go through intermediaries to cover their tracks but it still is impermissible. Edit: I agree with you that it's perfectly reasonable for the kid to want follow along. There's just no legal way for the coach to let the kid know if she has a scholarship or a spot available before she surrenders her current scholarship. I'm not very familiar with the process since Stanford doesn't look for transfers. So you must give up your scholarship at your present school, then put your name in the portal before any other school can contact you? And, if you have a scholarship at school X, then you are not supposed to contact school Y?
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Post by n00b on Jun 6, 2019 13:23:35 GMT -5
So those kids put themselves on the transfer portal without knowing if old coach's new school has a scholarship available? That's the only way there isn't tampering. How do those kids know that old coach thinks they can also be good at the higher level (assuming coach moved up)? They have those conversations when they aren't allowed. They probably go through intermediaries to cover their tracks but it still is impermissible. Edit: I agree with you that it's perfectly reasonable for the kid to want follow along. There's just no legal way for the coach to let the kid know if she has a scholarship or a spot available before she surrenders her current scholarship. I not very familiar with the process since Stanford doesn't look for transfers. So you must give up your scholarship at your present school, then put your name in the portal before any other school can contact you? And, if you have a scholarship at school X, then you are not supposed to contact school Y? There can be no communication between the player and other college coaches prior to the player's name being in the transfer portal. Once she requests to be put into the portal, then that line of communication is open but her current school is permitted to cancel her scholarship at the end of the semester. (Note: it's not even tied to scholarships necessarily. A walkon can't talk to other coaches without putting herself in the transfer portal either)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 13:54:01 GMT -5
IIRC, this would have been before the portal was a thing.
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Post by n00b on Jun 6, 2019 14:04:26 GMT -5
IIRC, this would have been before the portal was a thing. This is definitely true. It was actually MORE of a hassle to make that contact allowable before the portal. You had to request permission to contact each school individually. So instead of Louis going to the compliance department and saying, "I want to enter my name on the portal", it was "I want to contact Iowa" and Marquette would've had paths to block that at a school-by-school level.
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Post by Wiswell on Jun 6, 2019 14:24:58 GMT -5
That doesn't sound weird; it sounds suspicious, as in "now that I know how good you are, come to Iowa." There are certain programs where you see a trend of getting those types of transfers... Begins with N and ends in A?
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