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Post by silversurfer on Dec 10, 2004 21:53:14 GMT -5
Penn State being bounced by UCLA, or Wisconsin outlasting the Wahine?
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Post by eastcoaster on Dec 10, 2004 21:55:12 GMT -5
I think the Wisconsin Upset is bigger
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Post by roofed! on Dec 10, 2004 22:00:24 GMT -5
UW over UH.
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Post by GatorVball on Dec 10, 2004 22:02:19 GMT -5
Depends on how you look at it. If you are just going by the seeds, UCLA over PSU is a bigger upset. I think the UW-UH match was expected to be close, esp. with Wisconsin playing basically in front of a home crowd. I honestly didn't expect much at all from UCLA, based on their season.
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Post by bigfan on Dec 10, 2004 22:04:21 GMT -5
Wisconsin beating the Wahine
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Post by OverAndUnder on Dec 10, 2004 22:09:39 GMT -5
I'm not so sure PSU isn't the bigger loss. I don't think of UW/UH as much of an "upset", since I would have ranked Hawai'i between 5-8, not 1-3, going into the tournament, and listening to the match there's no doubt that Wisconsin had the home court advantage. It started off a bit quiet but by the end the crowd was roaring every time the Wahine gave up a point. Most of the game stats were pretty close, but from the sound of things Wisconsin had a better night digging. Shoji has depended on versatility to take his team this far. I think Watanabe's absence was the key, as Fotu seemed to struggle on back row.
The athletic world is crowded with "woulda coulda shoulda", but I think with Watanabe or in neutral territory this would have been Hawai'i's match.
I didn't get to see Penn State this year, but I did see UCLA in the middle of the season and they didn't seem that great at the time. I was mystified to see UCLA get the seed.
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Post by YellowC on Dec 10, 2004 22:11:24 GMT -5
I don't think neither were BIG upsets. This season... nothing is an upset.
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Post by Island on Dec 10, 2004 22:15:51 GMT -5
not to deflect from Hawaii's upset loss but didn't Penn. State beat Minnesota and OSU and won the Big ten. Then they lose to UCLA? Isn't that a bigger upset? Depends on how you look at it. If you are just going by the seeds, UCLA over PSU is a bigger upset. I think the UW-UH match was expected to be close, esp. with Wisconsin playing basically in front of a home crowd. I honestly didn't expect much at all from UCLA, based on their season. |
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Post by Island on Dec 10, 2004 22:17:11 GMT -5
Yeah but depth and comign through is part of the game. Fotu has played enough not to serve into the net like a half dozen times. I'm not so sure PSU isn't the bigger loss. I don't think of UW/UH as much of an "upset", since I would have ranked Hawai'i between 5-8, not 1-3, going into the tournament, and listening to the match there's no doubt that Wisconsin had the home court advantage. It started off a bit quiet but by the end the crowd was roaring every time the Wahine gave up a point. Most of the game stats were pretty close, but from the sound of things Wisconsin had a better night digging. Shoji has depended on versatility to take his team this far. I think Watanabe's absence was the key, as Fotu seemed to struggle on back row. The athletic world is crowded with "woulda coulda shoulda", but I think with Watanabe or in neutral territory this would have been Hawai'i's match. I didn't get to see Penn State this year, but I did see UCLA in the middle of the season and they didn't seem that great at the time. I was mystified to see UCLA get the seed. |
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Dec 10, 2004 22:19:40 GMT -5
I don't consider anything that happens from the Sweet Sixteen on in the NCAA tournament an upset. Particularly this year, when you don't have a clear frontrunner like we had with USC the past 2 years, or PSU in '99, or LBSU in '98.
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Post by Goonies on Dec 10, 2004 22:37:34 GMT -5
In sports I think its more about matchups a team might have more diffculty playing a lower ranked team than a higher one for various reasons. So an upset in the top 20 epsecially this year is not surprising.........its who's hot at the end!! I remember Long Beach St. in 1993 they were the 3rd seed and the next highest in the Final Four was the 11th or so. |
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Post by silversurfer on Dec 10, 2004 22:39:44 GMT -5
I think Penn State losing is a sizable upset, considering that UCLA hasn't done much this year (correct?). On the other hand, this isn't exactly an athletically dominating PSU team. A hot athletic Bruin squad no doubt gave them fits.
Wisconsin's win is similar to UCLA's in that they had some great wins, some up and down results.
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Post by StuffU on Dec 10, 2004 22:58:29 GMT -5
It cracks me up that people are saying that the Wisconsin upset was a bigger upset than UCLA over Penn St. Hawaii fans had faith in Na Wahine, but tons of people on this board were saying how they'd lose in the first two rounds. For the last month, this board has been littered (and I mean littered, as in trash) with threads talking about how the Wahine didn't deserve to be number 1, didn't play a hard enough schedule, didn't play well on the road. Now that you naysayers have finally received your wish, a Wahine loss, now its considered a bigger upset than the loss of the Big-10 Champion (the strongest conference, right?) in the same round by a team (UCLA) that has been hammered by just about everyone on this board all season.
You guys make me laugh......
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Post by simplycurious on Dec 10, 2004 23:39:10 GMT -5
I'd have to say USC over Nebraska. The Trojans lost a lot of good players, infused young talent and managed to "turn it on when it mattered most". Yet, people still felt that The Huskers were "destined" to advance to the National Championship match. The ramifications of this match... ...wait, not everyone here is on Saturday, December 11th?... ...it's when? Friday, December 10th? Oh then the above hasn't happened yet and I just.... ...crap, this is gonna mess up the whole space-time-continuum thing.... [glow=red,2,300] BOOM!!![/glow]  |
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Post by Gorf on Dec 11, 2004 10:27:30 GMT -5
It must have already messed up your personal space time stuff since it happens to be Saturday the 11th.  You must be from some alternate dimension. |
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