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Post by pineapple on Dec 14, 2004 17:58:11 GMT -5
Umm, didn't Long Beach St win it in 98 with Misty? Wow! I guess so.
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Post by pineapple on Dec 14, 2004 18:06:45 GMT -5
Wow! I guess so. I am glad you pointed that out. This reinforces another point that I've been making, which many youngsters on this board may not know or give a darn about. And it is this: The Big West traditionally is a strong conference, especially when Hawaii was in it. Only in the last 5-6 years, I believe, it has fallen second to the PAC 10. I hope the Big West get back up there soon. I miss the competition Hawaii had back then.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Dec 14, 2004 18:09:04 GMT -5
I am glad you pointed that out. This reinforces another point that I've been making, which many youngsters on this board may not know or give a darn about. And it is this: The Big West traditionally is a strong conference, especially when Hawaii was in it. Only in the last 5-6 years, I believe, it has fallen second to the PAC 10. I hope the Big West get back up there soon. I miss the competition Hawaii had back then. The Big West was one of the top conferences back in the 80's and early 90's but I wouldn't say the Big West is second to the Pac 10 now. The Big 10 and Big 12 are right behind the Pac 10. The Big West is at least a couple of notches below.
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Post by pineapple on Dec 15, 2004 4:41:07 GMT -5
[quote author=BiK link=board=general&thread=1102733594&start=62#4 date=1103065744]
The Big West was one of the top conferences back in the 80's and early 90's but I wouldn't say the Big West is second to the Pac 10 now. The Big 10 and Big 12 are right behind the Pac 10. The Big West is at least a couple of notches below.[/quote] I am talking about National championships won.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Dec 15, 2004 8:22:51 GMT -5
The Wahine should find a way to get out of the nationally MEANINGLESS WAC post season tournament to play some of the big boys on the road, if for no other reason than to get them truly ready for the NCAA'S. Out of curiosity, do collegiate regulations require a conference member to participate in the conference tournament if they are seeded in that conference? Hawai'i doesn't look to be in any danger of falling out of the national field-of-64 or the AVCA Top 25 any time soon -- have there been any years in which Hawai'i would not have been invited to the tourney if not for the auto-bid? I doubt it. So could Hawai'i legally say "No, thanks" to the WAC tournament and just do their own thing anyway? Obviously this is not something any school administration in the country is going to let its athletic department do even if the coaches supported it, which is unlikely (I guess those trophies and banners look pretty in the gym no matter how "nationally MEANINGLESS" they may be). Still, if playing tough "away" opposition before postseason is that important, it's legitimate to theorize whether it could be prioritized above winning an insignificant tournament.
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Post by pineapple on Dec 15, 2004 10:11:13 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, do collegiate regulations require a conference member to participate in the conference tournament if they are seeded in that conference? Hawai'i doesn't look to be in any danger of falling out of the national field-of-64 or the AVCA Top 25 any time soon -- have there been any years in which Hawai'i would not have been invited to the tourney if not for the auto-bid? I doubt it. So could Hawai'i legally say "No, thanks" to the WAC tournament and just do their own thing anyway? Obviously this is not something any school administration in the country is going to let its athletic department do even if the coaches supported it, which is unlikely (I guess those trophies and banners look pretty in the gym no matter how "nationally MEANINGLESS" they may be). Still, if playing tough "away" opposition before postseason is that important, its legitimate to theorize whether it could be prioritized above winning an insignificant tournament. Four of those "meaningless" banners and trophies represent national championships.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Dec 15, 2004 10:27:47 GMT -5
Four of those "meaningless" banners and trophies represent national championships. My comments were clearly in regard to bragging rights / hardware won by taking 1st place at the WAC tournament and have no connection whatsoever to Wahine accomplishments in the national postseason. The phrase "nationally MEANINGLESS" comes from another poster, to whom I was replying, and is therefore placed in quotation marks.
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Post by pineapple on Dec 15, 2004 15:46:00 GMT -5
My comments were clearly in regard to bragging rights / hardware won by taking 1st place at the WAC tournament and have no connection whatsoever to Wahine accomplishments in the national postseason. The phrase "nationally MEANINGLESS" comes from another poster, to whom I was replying, and is therefore placed in quotation marks. Ok, but it wasn't clear.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Dec 16, 2004 7:58:43 GMT -5
Ok, sorry. Here's the same post again. I've added emphasis to each of the 8 times in my 4 sentences that I referred to Hawai'i's participation in their conference tournament. I hope that this time the necessary semantic link between noun phrases and demonstrative pronouns will be more readily apparent to you. bomber wrote: To which I replied:
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Post by pineapple on Dec 16, 2004 17:31:38 GMT -5
Ok, sorry. Here's the same post again. I've added emphasis to each of the 8 times in my 4 sentences that I referred to Hawai'i's participation in their conference tournament. I hope that this time the necessary semantic link between noun phrases and demonstrative pronouns will be more readily apparent to you. bomber wrote: To which I replied: There were no links. Now it seems you're trying to correct your staement after the fact. Let me repeat my point. You said: "I guess those trophies and banners look pretty in the gym no matter how "nationally MEANINGLESS" they may be." This implicated the four national championship banners hanging in the SSC. If there is a semantic link between what I quoted and your reference to Bomber, it's the appearance of your resignation and acceptance that all of the banners hanging in the SSC may be nationally meaningless. Pronouns, noun phrases, demonstrative pronouns are not even a factor here.
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Post by StuffU on Dec 16, 2004 20:51:45 GMT -5
That's what I hate about this board. Nit pick, nit pick, nit pick.
For the record, the only banners that hang in the SSC are National Championship banners. They do not hang a banner for every NCAA appearance or Conference championship. So the only banners to speak of are the National Championship banners ... hence the confusion.
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Post by pineapple on Dec 17, 2004 3:44:45 GMT -5
That's what I hate about this board. Nit pick, nit pick, nit pick. For the record, the only banners that hang in the SSC are National Championship banners. They do not hang a banner for every NCAA appearance or Conference championship. So the only banners to speak of are the National Championship banners ... hence the confusion. Since you are familiar with SSC, I assume you live in Hawaii and are a fan of the Wahine. Am I right? You call my efforts to correct a wrong statement made about the Wahine and its banners "nit pik." What is yours? a Piknit? Stop eating sour pineapple. Go eat sweet DelMonte pineapple.
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Post by StuffU on Dec 17, 2004 9:48:36 GMT -5
Since you are familiar with SSC, I assume you live in Hawaii and are a fan of the Wahine. Am I right? You call my efforts to correct a wrong statement made about the Wahine and its banners "nit pik." What is yours? a Piknit? Stop eating sour pineapple. Go eat sweet DelMonte pineapple. I suppose that is your problem. You make assumptions and then explain that assumption as if it were fact. The SSC is televised so often you wouldn't need to live in Hawaii to be familiar with this facility. Just so you know, I do not live in Hawaii, but I am a native and very much a fan of Na Wahine. The only sour pineapple on this board is yours, and I have no desire to eat it. Personally, I miss the days when we used to discuss matches and have informative threads that generated thought. We used to "get the idea" of the poster without having to correct his/her grammar and pointing out any ommissions (as if not mentioning means it doesn't exist). Fact is, you weren't trying to correct anything as much as you were defending Na Wahine because you were offended by the poster's mentioning of the phrase "nationally meaningless". Even after the poster clarified what he was saying, you had to come back with "it wasn't clear." You just want to argue ... useless for this board. Before I'm dragged into a "nationally meaningless" tug of war of words, let me just say .. I'm done with this thread.
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