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Post by ZookGotCooked on Dec 13, 2004 14:32:54 GMT -5
I have this I-can-see-the-future feeling and I do NOT see the Wahine ever winning a national championship. However, they will have successful seasons every year, will continue to lead the nation in attendance, and the fans will be faithful. But no national championships... Same with Florida. Hawaii already has multiple championships and I can assure you Florida will win one soon. Minnesota fans, a thrill a minute ;D
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Post by spongebob on Dec 13, 2004 14:37:58 GMT -5
hahaha love your handle ;D
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Post by ZookGotCooked on Dec 13, 2004 14:40:15 GMT -5
hahaha love your handle ;D ZookIsCooked is history, for now. I forgot my password and my e-mail service is currently down.
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Post by pineapple on Dec 13, 2004 15:54:26 GMT -5
I have this I-can-see-the-future feeling and I do NOT see the Wahine ever winning a national championship. However, they will have successful seasons every year, will continue to lead the nation in attendance, and the fans will be faithful. But no national championships... Same with Florida. Wolfgang, you must be new to womens college volleyball. As cookedzook said, the Wahine has won the championship several times. Specifically, four times. I am surprised you didn't know this.
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Post by Island on Dec 13, 2004 16:29:45 GMT -5
Hawaii already has multiple championships and I can assure you Florida will win one soon. Minnesota fans, a thrill a minute ;D Thanks for pointing it out. Hopefully Urban will be good for you guys...I know who you really wanted.
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Post by Island on Dec 13, 2004 16:35:49 GMT -5
One thing that volleyball wahine fans will tell you is that they are a little miffed that the administration has spent large sums on football to revitalize it and then complained that the Wahine aren't drawing as much in attendance as in the 1996 years(forget the fact that they raised ticket prices and that the arena experience was fairly new). The fact that the AD has a budget shortfall last year is not going to help Shoji schedule tougher late season tournaments. I agree that the absence of the WAC tournament will help a lot but people have to be careful to think we don't have administration support problems like other schools. Football is still the 800 lb gorilla here... even when they stink.
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Post by ZookGotCooked on Dec 13, 2004 16:53:46 GMT -5
Thanks for pointing it out. Hopefully Urban will be good for you guys...I know who you really wanted. Actually, I didn't want Spurrier back, unlike most of my Gator brethren. Coaches who return to the college ranks don't always work out, i.e. Bill Walsh, and Spurrier would only coach short team, whereas I wanted a long term solution. I'm glad we hired Meyer.
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Post by Island on Dec 13, 2004 17:24:30 GMT -5
Cool, he was the most complete of the MWC coaches. I'm impressed that he doesn't just run or is pass happy. Very good schemes.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Dec 13, 2004 18:17:34 GMT -5
I can't stand not saying this.
Hawaii's preseason schedule has come under fire every single year because it is "too easy" or soft, or all home, etc.
Hawaii _IS_ going to play at home as often as they can, because they are the best host in the nation.
Have you ever heard a player say they DIDN'T wanna play in the SSC? Have you ever heard complaints from the experience of playing in the SSC?
During the half-time interview of the Florida/FAMU match, Sherri Williams even commented that her two favorite volleyball experiences were A) playing in the NACWAA in Honolulu, and B) beating Hawaii in the Final Four.
I've heard from COUNTLESS players how Hawaii is their dream school and how they'd love to play in front of all of the great Hawaii fans.
Plus, Hawaii Volleyball makes money. Who else does? Nebraska, maybe Washington and Wisconsin this year? Not many more.
Having said that, I'll move on to this season's Strength of Schedule.
Hawaii has the fortune/misfortune of having so many people want to come play here that they have to balance things for years to get them out here.
This season's schedule WAS a very solid one, especially considering how far in advance most the teams were set.
Eastern Washington (close but no cigar team looking for a break) San Diego (WCC undefeated champs) Arizona (2001 Final Four class of girls) Santa Clara (WCC power) UCLA (perennial top 20) Southwest Missouri State (top 25 team from 2003) UC Irvine (Very solid NCAA returning team) California (who knew Jerkov would not return?) Pepperdine 2 x(who knew Pepperdine would have a losing season?! Certainly noone here!)
Compare that with the 1 and 2 seeded NCAA teams (I hate teams that rely on their conference's strength when they schedule):
1 Nebraska
Notre Dame 2x (NCAA team, by virtue of "they should be there") Western Michigan (who?) Florida A&M (you're telling me Cook would have scheduled them if he knew they'd beat NU?) Ball State (similar to EWU, in that they can't win conf. tourney)
2 Penn State
Rutgers (:x) Quinnipiac (who?) BYU (uhem) San Francisco (Did they make the NCAA's in '03? can't remember) Stanford (OK, a strong team, but UH scheduled 3-Pac10s) Eastern Washington UMBC (who?) Yale (Don't even begin on they made the 2nd round) West Virginia (?)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2004 19:03:54 GMT -5
And I can't stand not responding (50% sure I am right):
I still think you (and others) overstate what most of us are saying. We know WHY Hawaii's schedule is what it is and we know why it won't change. But it does not give an accurate reflection of how good the team is. They could be better. They could be worse.
They have a schedule and program unique to any other in D1. It's not their fault. It's almost entirely to their CREDIT. But it distorts the relative strength of the team.
Heck, I STILL don't know how good the 2004 version was! They could have been anywhere from a top 4 to a top 16.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Dec 13, 2004 19:18:19 GMT -5
[quote author= (R)uffda! link=board=general&thread=1102913070&start=39#2 date=1102982634] Heck, I STILL don't know how good the 2004 version was! They could have been anywhere from a top 4 to a top 16.[/quote] Top 4. Most of the time.. There were times when the struggled to be top 16... but in crunch time, they were always (except against Wisconsin) top 4.
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Post by islandgirl on Dec 13, 2004 19:22:52 GMT -5
[quote author=(R)uffda! link=board=general&thread=1102913070&start=39#2 date=1102982634] (50% sure I am right): [/quote]
Oh, come on. Now you're just being modest. You're AT LEAST 90% right.
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Post by pineapple on Dec 13, 2004 19:25:12 GMT -5
[quote author=IdahoBoy®® link=board=general&thread=1102913070&start=38#2 date=1102979854]I can't stand not saying this. Have you ever heard a player say they DIDN'T wanna play in the SSC? Have you ever heard complaints from the experience of playing in the SSC? [/quote] Isn't it also true, IB, that coaches use playing in Hawaii as a recruitment tool? (Or was it only for football...)
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Post by IdahoBoy on Dec 13, 2004 19:27:38 GMT -5
Isn't it also true, IB, that coaches use playing in Hawaii as a recruitment tool? (Or was it only for football...) I've heard that some pitches from some WAC member western-schools were that they get to go to Hawaii every year. I think Fresno State was one of them that used it (and was able to catch a lot of Hawaiian talent).
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Post by roy on Dec 13, 2004 19:28:41 GMT -5
Isn't it also true, IB, that coaches use playing in Hawaii as a recruitment tool? (Or was it only for football...) That is only in football. Most teams don't come to Hawaii consistent enought (except for UCLA) to use it as a recruiting tool. Besides, since Hawaii is considered a top program, it would seem kind of pointless. If that recruit wants to play for a top program and wants to play in Hawaii, why not just play for Hawaii?
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