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Post by txnut on Nov 4, 2019 17:52:42 GMT -5
If it works out this way, I'm skittish about that Wisconsin regional BAYLOR vs BYU Florida vs. UK TEXAS vs Creighton Marquette vs. Minnesota WISCONSIN vs Hawaii Nebraska vs. Washington PITT vs Rice Stanford vs TAMU This would be fun.
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 4, 2019 17:54:18 GMT -5
Like you wrote - not sure what statements to parse out as important or if anything said on Sunday is important to the final? But Wisconsin going 20-0 or 19-1 in the Big Ten would probably trump Baylor going 14-2 in the Big 12. But if Baylor beats Texas - then it could easily be Baylor #1. And then how will Stanford be handled if they go 18-2 - hard to see them not being a regional seed. BTW, I didn't go strictly by the RPI Futures/Pablo projections. And I was also mostly interested in seeing what kind of drive-in scenarios there will be more so than who will be the seeds and what seed #. If I was Baylor and this was pretty much the futures, I’d probably say a big f you to the committee on live television if Wisconsin was seeded higher. They’d have done everything right per the selection criteria- winning a strong non conference, losses to only the #1 overall team, a win against Wisconsin @ Wisconsin (and it wasn’t that close), a higher RPI, fewer losses, more top 25 wins.... I mean dang. Maybe someone on the committee should look at the big 10 and think that if Wisconsin can do that well, maybe the Big 10 isn’t as strong. I mean, Stanford and Washington are 5-1 against Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State, Illinois, Nebraska this season....just sayin. I don't disagree - but is there really a difference between #2 and #3 other than getting to wear your home jersey in the National semi's? I am sure Baylor will be ecstatic to be a regional seed regardless - and well deserved.
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Post by txnut on Nov 4, 2019 18:11:10 GMT -5
One of the questions I had - what are the chances Penn State ends up with Pittsburgh if Penn State is not a seed. I think the answer is it is very unlikely - they will most likely ship Penn State somewhere as there is enough to fill out a Pitt subregional w/o PSU. I need to look at what happens if Penn State does get a seed - is there a decent opponent for Penn State w/o 'cheating' and flying someone in when there are drive-in alternatives. Probably gong to be Dayton/VCU and then maybe Towson (are they within 400 miles?) or Princeton. Florida is going to have the UCF, Gulf Coast, Florida State subregional - there is no getting round that. 4 Texas schools hosting will create lots of fly-ins so it may make a mess of the other seed pods. Also Oklahoma will probably go to Texas A&M as they are driving distance. There are lots of scenarios depending on which teams are actually Top 16. Kentucky too could go to Pitt if they fall from hosting.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 4, 2019 18:11:40 GMT -5
is there really a difference between #2 and #3 other than getting to wear your home jersey in the National semi's? #2 plays #7 (or whoever beat them) to GET to the semis. #3 plays #6.
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 4, 2019 18:13:31 GMT -5
Wisconsin over Baylor with Baylor having a head to head win over Wisconsin @ Wisconsin, a higher RPI, fewer losses, and more top 25 wins.....hmmmmm that would need quite the justification! Like you wrote - not sure what statements to parse out as important or if anything said on Sunday is important to the final? But Wisconsin going 20-0 or 19-1 in the Big Ten would probably trump Baylor going 14-2 in the Big 12. But if Baylor beats Texas - then it could easily be Baylor #1. And then how will Stanford be handled if they go 18-2 - hard to see them not being a regional seed. BTW, I didn't go strictly by the RPI Futures/Pablo projections. And I was also mostly interested in seeing what kind of drive-in scenarios there will be more so than who will be the seeds and what seed #. If the projected records were to occur, two possible scenarios for Texas/Baylor since each is projected to lose one more game. In either scenario, Texas wins the conference with a 15-1 record and Baylor is 14-2.
The first scenario is Texas beats Baylor again, but loses to one of the other remaining teams (OU or Iowa State is most likely scenario). In this scenario, I would say Texas is seeded ahead of Baylor, regardless of RPI, due to the two HTH wins.
The second scenario is Baylor beats Texas, but loses to a remaining opponent with the best being Tech with an RPI in the 60s. With Texas still winning the conference, do you see Baylor being seeded ahead of Texas?
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Nov 4, 2019 18:16:11 GMT -5
Difference between 6-11 is pretty minuscule at this point numbers-wise. Could even include down to 13 in that. Will be interesting to see how that shakes out but I’d say the regional hosts will come from that top 5 group barring a huge tear and conference championship from Nebraska, Washington, or Minnesota.
Washington fans are getting more insufferable by the week, kinda hoping their team starts winning again so they get out of this snit.
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 4, 2019 18:23:32 GMT -5
One of the questions I had - what are the chances Penn State ends up with Pittsburgh if Penn State is not a seed. I think the answer is it is very unlikely - they will most likely ship Penn State somewhere as there is enough to fill out a Pitt subregional w/o PSU. I need to look at what happens if Penn State does get a seed - is there a decent opponent for Penn State w/o 'cheating' and flying someone in when there are drive-in alternatives. Probably gong to be Dayton/VCU and then maybe Towson (are they within 400 miles?) or Princeton. Florida is going to have the UCF, Gulf Coast, Florida State subregional - there is no getting round that. 4 Texas schools hosting will create lots of fly-ins so it may make a mess of the other seed pods. Also Oklahoma will probably go to Texas A&M as they are driving distance. There are lots of scenarios depending on which teams are actually Top 16. Kentucky too could go to Pitt if they fall from hosting. I wonder how strict the committee is about holding to 400 miles as a cut-off for drive-ins? Norman to Houston is 430 miles and all interstate so I wonder if they might send them to Rice.
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Post by brybast on Nov 4, 2019 18:24:48 GMT -5
How did Rice drop to #13 from #7 last week? Because they went to a deuce set with UAB? Rice got hurt by LMU getting upset this week and droping out of the Top 75 and costing Rice the scheduling bonus (Rice played them twice). Also added the conference tournament with that extra match likely against a good Western Kentucky team that is looking each week like a tougher match. The upcoming Rice-WKU match is gonna be huge. Could Rice's hosting prospects be hanging in the balance?
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Post by FreeBall on Nov 4, 2019 18:32:53 GMT -5
4 Texas schools hosting will create lots of fly-ins so it may make a mess of the other seed pods. Also Oklahoma will probably go to Texas A&M as they are driving distance. There are lots of scenarios depending on which teams are actually Top 16. Kentucky too could go to Pitt if they fall from hosting. I wonder how strict the committee is about holding to 400 miles as a cut-off for drive-ins? Norman to Houston is 430 miles and all interstate so I wonder if they might send them to Rice. It's the mandate they are given, so history shows they follow it pretty much without exception. In the scenario you describe, it would be shocking if Oklahoma was sent to Rice (>400 miles) as opposed to TAMU (<400 miles). They just don't operate that way.
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Post by n00b on Nov 4, 2019 18:51:52 GMT -5
4 Texas schools hosting will create lots of fly-ins so it may make a mess of the other seed pods. Also Oklahoma will probably go to Texas A&M as they are driving distance. There are lots of scenarios depending on which teams are actually Top 16. Kentucky too could go to Pitt if they fall from hosting. I wonder how strict the committee is about holding to 400 miles as a cut-off for drive-ins? Norman to Houston is 430 miles and all interstate so I wonder if they might send them to Rice. Extremely. 399 miles, they pay for a bus. 401 miles, they pay for a flight. I'm actually not sure if it's exactly 400. Anyway, Oklahoma to Rice is 441 miles according to the NCAA.
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 4, 2019 18:52:05 GMT -5
I wonder how strict the committee is about holding to 400 miles as a cut-off for drive-ins? Norman to Houston is 430 miles and all interstate so I wonder if they might send them to Rice. It's the mandate they are given, so history shows they follow it pretty much without exception. In the scenario you describe, it would be shocking if Oklahoma was sent to Rice (>400 miles) as opposed to TAMU (<400 miles). They just don't operate that way. Thanks. Just getting a feel for the possibilities. Just asking about this one since it's only a difference of about 70 miles and only a slight difference in direction.
Wonder if you or someone else can answer this question. My assumption is that the NCAA pays for the travel in the tournament since the 400 mile drive-in rule for seeding exists. If a school is a drive-in, is it allowed to elect to fly if it picks up the extra expense?
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Post by n00b on Nov 4, 2019 18:53:25 GMT -5
It's the mandate they are given, so history shows they follow it pretty much without exception. In the scenario you describe, it would be shocking if Oklahoma was sent to Rice (>400 miles) as opposed to TAMU (<400 miles). They just don't operate that way. Thanks. Just getting a feel for the possibilities. Just asking about this one since it's only a difference of about 70 miles and only a slight difference in direction.
Wonder if you or someone else can answer this question. My assumption is that the NCAA pays for the travel in the tournament since the 400 mile drive-in rule for seeding exists. If a school is a drive-in, is it allowed to elect to fly if it picks up the extra expense?
Yes. Similarly, they can charter a flight instead of flying commercial if they'd like if they pay the difference.
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 4, 2019 18:57:09 GMT -5
Thanks. Just getting a feel for the possibilities. Just asking about this one since it's only a difference of about 70 miles and only a slight difference in direction.
Wonder if you or someone else can answer this question. My assumption is that the NCAA pays for the travel in the tournament since the 400 mile drive-in rule for seeding exists. If a school is a drive-in, is it allowed to elect to fly if it picks up the extra expense?
Yes. Similarly, they can charter a flight instead of flying commercial if they'd like if they pay the difference.
Thanks. I was assuming that but thought I would check in case there was some quirky NCAA rule.
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 4, 2019 20:00:36 GMT -5
One of the questions I had - what are the chances Penn State ends up with Pittsburgh if Penn State is not a seed. I think the answer is it is very unlikely - they will most likely ship Penn State somewhere as there is enough to fill out a Pitt subregional w/o PSU. I need to look at what happens if Penn State does get a seed - is there a decent opponent for Penn State w/o 'cheating' and flying someone in when there are drive-in alternatives. Probably gong to be Dayton/VCU and then maybe Towson (are they within 400 miles?) or Princeton. Florida is going to have the UCF, Gulf Coast, Florida State subregional - there is no getting round that. 4 Texas schools hosting will create lots of fly-ins so it may make a mess of the other seed pods. Also Oklahoma will probably go to Texas A&M as they are driving distance. There are lots of scenarios depending on which teams are actually Top 16. Kentucky too could go to Pitt if they fall from hosting. Thanks - I will update this, I completely missed it. I knew that Rice was outside 400 miles and with TAM being 'new' to seed territory, I didn't check them.
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Post by bruinsgold on Nov 4, 2019 20:05:22 GMT -5
I know this all for fun bluepenquin, but Purdue would like to not go to Kentucky for the 2nd year in a row. How much are plane tickets to the Hawaii or Rice regional and do you accept expired Visa credit cards?
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