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Post by trojansc on Oct 2, 2020 15:26:23 GMT -5
Apparently this situation has been (kind of) addressed. It is very interesting in Golf. Texas, for example, received UCLA's best player in 2017, who transferred as a freshman! Who was that?
Spencer Soosman. texassports.com/sports/mens-golf/roster/spencer-soosman/9466Probably wasn't clear I was referring to Golf. But, it's an interesting precedent. I can't believe THAT is allowed but not spring admits (or) a transfer from a school who is NOT playing this Fall.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 15:31:49 GMT -5
You're missing the point with spring arrivals. They weren't eligible to play in the first place, who they'd have required a waiver in order to do so. The Council simply didn't see the need for that provision. As you stated, the rule is already in place to allow a transfer to play in a non championship season for one school and then compete in a championship season for another. They'd have to actively prevent it. And this will only apply, with regards to WVB, to schools playing in both fall and spring. I don't think many athletes will fit this criteria.
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Post by trojansc on Oct 2, 2020 15:44:39 GMT -5
You're missing the point with spring arrivals. They weren't eligible to play in the first place, who they'd have required a waiver in order to do so. The Council simply didn't see the need for that provision. As you stated, the rule is already in place to allow a transfer to play in a non championship season for one school and then compete in a championship season for another. They'd have to actively prevent it. And this will only apply, with regards to WVB, to schools playing in both fall and spring. I don't think many athletes will fit this criteria. This is a unique scenario though, especially with the specific *non-championship* sport. Spring arrivals would be playing in a season that doesn't even use eligibility is my point, so why does that really even matter? Especially re: transfers who are eligible to compete right now for a school, whether they are playing or not. Also, re: Championship season, this is also unique and very interesting. The Big 12 is completing it's entire conference season in the Fall. There has been conflicting reports about how the AQ will be determined, as during the broadcast they said it has not exactly been determined for the Big 12. One could earn play, and contribute to two separate conference championships and earn an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament with two separate universities.
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Post by horns1 on Oct 2, 2020 15:46:33 GMT -5
Thought you might be talking about golf.
It's tough to keep track of the different sports in different seasons. The one that has always surprised me is how men's and women's hoops allows transfers to become eligible (after having sat out two semesters) in like mid-December while a quarter of the season has already been played.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 15:49:01 GMT -5
You're missing the point with spring arrivals. They weren't eligible to play in the first place, who they'd have required a waiver in order to do so. The Council simply didn't see the need for that provision. As you stated, the rule is already in place to allow a transfer to play in a non championship season for one school and then compete in a championship season for another. They'd have to actively prevent it. And this will only apply, with regards to WVB, to schools playing in both fall and spring. I don't think many athletes will fit this criteria. This is a unique scenario though, especially with the specific *non-championship* sport. Spring arrivals would be playing in a season that doesn't even use eligibility is my point, so why does that really even matter? Especially re: transfers who are eligible to compete right now for a school, whether they are playing or not. Also, re: Championship season, this is also unique and very interesting. The Big 12 is completing it's entire conference season in the Fall. There has been conflicting reports about how the AQ will be determined, as during the broadcast they said it has not exactly been determined for the Big 12. One could earn play, and contribute to two separate conference championships and earn an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament with two separate universities. Again, it would have required a waiver to permit 2021 freshman to play. It will not to permit 2020 seniors to transfer. I agree it's unusual for WVB, as such I don't expect them to create a waiver to prevent it, just like they didn't create a waiver to allow otherwise ineligible freshman to compete.
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Post by urkillinmesmalls on Oct 2, 2020 20:22:47 GMT -5
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Post by Winbabywin on Oct 4, 2020 16:04:15 GMT -5
Prohibit midyear enrollees from competing in the 2020-21 academic year
Is this just D1 to D1? What about a D1 player that might transfer down to D2?
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 5, 2020 9:06:01 GMT -5
Prohibit midyear enrollees from competing in the 2020-21 academic year Is this just D1 to D1? What about a D1 player that might transfer down to D2? I would assume transfers between divisions in also included. I haven't seen any language that restricted the rule to certain types of transfers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 11:07:49 GMT -5
I believe she will graduate in December and begin grad school in the spring. Why would anyone want restriction on that? Among most students it’s quite common to pursue a graduate degree at a different institution than where you receive your bachelors - not sure that restriction here would be putting the “student” part of “student athlete” first. It is very likely that she would not start the graduate program until fall 2021. Most graduate programs, at least the good ones, only allow students to start in the fall. Now she could transfer to that school and perhaps take some undergrad courses in the spring. She also would have that same option at Texas in the spring. So it seems like there is no direct benefit to her playing career by enrolling at the new school in spring? You can always make a guess that she just wants to move on from Texas, start making new relationships at the new school and practicing with the new team in the spring, even though she can't play games with them. I wonder though if Texas is asking her to move on "early", to free up scholarship room?
Also possible that putting her name in now, is only intended to be for a transfer in the summer? Wild guessing
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Post by n00b on Oct 5, 2020 11:15:58 GMT -5
It is very likely that she would not start the graduate program until fall 2021. Most graduate programs, at least the good ones, only allow students to start in the fall. Now she could transfer to that school and perhaps take some undergrad courses in the spring. She also would have that same option at Texas in the spring. So it seems like there is no direct benefit to her playing career by enrolling at the new school in spring? You can always make a guess that she just wants to move on from Texas, start making new relationships at the new school and practicing with the new team in the spring, even though she can't play games with them. I wonder though if Texas is asking her to move on "early", to free up scholarship room? Also possible that putting her name in now, is only intended to be for a transfer in the summer? Wild guessing
I think the current wording disallows mid-year transfers, but that was unintended and the NCAA will release an upcoming clarification that it only applies to initial enrollees to any 4-year institution. So HS grads and JuCo transfers would be ineligible, 4-year college transfers WILL be eligible. I don't have proof of that, just what I'm hearing. Edit: Not sure how it would apply to athletes who actually competed this fall.
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 5, 2020 12:20:00 GMT -5
It is very likely that she would not start the graduate program until fall 2021. Most graduate programs, at least the good ones, only allow students to start in the fall. Now she could transfer to that school and perhaps take some undergrad courses in the spring. She also would have that same option at Texas in the spring. So it seems like there is no direct benefit to her playing career by enrolling at the new school in spring? You can always make a guess that she just wants to move on from Texas, start making new relationships at the new school and practicing with the new team in the spring, even though she can't play games with them. I wonder though if Texas is asking her to move on "early", to free up scholarship room?
Also possible that putting her name in now, is only intended to be for a transfer in the summer? Wild guessing
All of your guesses are possible. I think you can also add the possibility that she will remain at Texas in the spring and continue to play with the team. I'm going to assume that graduating in December has been her plan for quite sometime. Before COVID, they would mean that she would have finished her eligibility this season, graduated, and then go on to the next phase of her life whether that was graduate school or starting her work career. Now that she has an extra year of eligibility, it appears she has now decided to use that extra year in conjuction with starting grad school. I guess it's also a possibility that she doesn't go to school anywhere in the spring. If she does go to another school in the spring, I suspect the primary reason would be to start working with her new team in practice even though she can't play in games. It is also possible that she doesn't have a ship at Texas in the spring. Since it appears the plan has been for her to graduate and leave in December, her ship may have already been committed to someone. However I think Elliott would want her to return in the spring if possible as she does provide experienced depth at setter, plus can fill in on the front row if necessary. Putting her name in the portal now could easily be for a summer transfer. With the possibility that there will be a lot of transfers in the market for next season due to the added year of eligibility, probably a good move to get your name out there early to see who has open ships. Also she likely is already applying to grad schools as you can't wait until the last minute to do that and get in a good one. Edit - To add some clarity, just saw that Elliott released a statement that Shook would be transferring after December. So that does confirm the information that was out there a few weeks ago that she would be leaving after graduation.
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 5, 2020 12:25:24 GMT -5
So it seems like there is no direct benefit to her playing career by enrolling at the new school in spring? You can always make a guess that she just wants to move on from Texas, start making new relationships at the new school and practicing with the new team in the spring, even though she can't play games with them. I wonder though if Texas is asking her to move on "early", to free up scholarship room? Also possible that putting her name in now, is only intended to be for a transfer in the summer? Wild guessing
I think the current wording disallows mid-year transfers, but that was unintended and the NCAA will release an upcoming clarification that it only applies to initial enrollees to any 4-year institution. So HS grads and JuCo transfers would be ineligible, 4-year college transfers WILL be eligible. I don't have proof of that, just what I'm hearing. Edit: Not sure how it would apply to athletes who actually competed this fall. I think they would open up a big can of worms for basketball if they were to allow athletes that played in the fall to transfer in the spring and play. The long standing rule preventing this is obviously there primarily for basketball since it's the only major sport that is played in both semesters.
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Post by n00b on Oct 5, 2020 13:32:53 GMT -5
I think the current wording disallows mid-year transfers, but that was unintended and the NCAA will release an upcoming clarification that it only applies to initial enrollees to any 4-year institution. So HS grads and JuCo transfers would be ineligible, 4-year college transfers WILL be eligible. I don't have proof of that, just what I'm hearing. Edit: Not sure how it would apply to athletes who actually competed this fall. I think they would open up a big can of worms for basketball if they were to allow athletes that played in the fall to transfer in the spring and play. The long standing rule preventing this is obviously there primarily for basketball since it's the only major sport that is played in both semesters. I disagree. Things that are obviously only about this year in bizarro COVID world won't set precedent for other sports going forward. Not necessarily saying I think somebody should be able to play both seasons, but that's not a reason. The problem is that there are teams like Houston Baptist who played a 6-match schedule this fall (and are already finished). Should that mini-schedule really prevent a transfer? Where do you draw the line?
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Post by beachindoor on Oct 5, 2020 13:35:53 GMT -5
Well it's also complicated had she stayed -- how can she do one semester of grad school then transfer to another grad program. I think that would be complicated.
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 5, 2020 13:38:40 GMT -5
Well it's also complicated had she stayed -- how can she do one semester of grad school then transfer to another grad program. I think that would be complicated. You can stay after graduation as an undergraduate. Good chance she will be doing that if she transfers to another school as most grad programs don't let you start in the spring.
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