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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 10:25:21 GMT -5
I have no idea what the actual rules are or will allow, but in my *opinion* mid-season transfers should not be allowed in the NCAA. And this year, at the very least you can say that Texas has started its season, so a transfer to the spring would be mid-season.
It would be another thing if she was transferring from the Big Ten to the PAC, or something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 11:37:11 GMT -5
I have no idea what the actual rules are or will allow, but in my *opinion* mid-season transfers should not be allowed in the NCAA. And this year, at the very least you can say that Texas has started its season, so a transfer to the spring would be mid-season. It would be another thing if she was transferring from the Big Ten to the PAC, or something like that. I believe she will graduate in December and begin grad school in the spring. Why would anyone want restriction on that? Among most students it’s quite common to pursue a graduate degree at a different institution than where you receive your bachelors - not sure that restriction here would be putting the “student” part of “student athlete” first.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 11:44:02 GMT -5
I have no idea what the actual rules are or will allow, but in my *opinion* mid-season transfers should not be allowed in the NCAA. And this year, at the very least you can say that Texas has started its season, so a transfer to the spring would be mid-season. It would be another thing if she was transferring from the Big Ten to the PAC, or something like that. I believe she will graduate in December and begin grad school in the spring. Why would anyone want restriction on that? Among most students it’s quite common to pursue a graduate degree at a different institution than where you receive your bachelors - not sure that restriction here would be putting the “student” part of “student athlete” first. She will be free to transfer after graduation and play as soon as she wants/is able. With the extension of eligibility, we're going to see more players who were set to graduate and move on with their lives instead decide to complete their eligibility (at a different school); Shook, Anderson, Forte etc. The Texas roster will be down to 12 players, pending the arrival of Parra and Malual.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 11:46:19 GMT -5
I have no idea what the actual rules are or will allow, but in my *opinion* mid-season transfers should not be allowed in the NCAA. And this year, at the very least you can say that Texas has started its season, so a transfer to the spring would be mid-season. It would be another thing if she was transferring from the Big Ten to the PAC, or something like that. I believe she will graduate in December and begin grad school in the spring. Why would anyone want restriction on that? Among most students it’s quite common to pursue a graduate degree at a different institution than where you receive your bachelors - not sure that restriction here would be putting the “student” part of “student athlete” first. There is no analog to a normal year in volleyball, since the season is contained in the fall semester (isn't it?). But if I could make one up, it would be like a player graduating in mid October, then transferring to a new school in November and wanting to be immediately eligible then.
That's the argument, anyway, because the season this year is spread out over two semesters.
I imagine the rules are already setup to disallow this in basketball, where the season also spans over the potential graduation of student-athletes at the end of fall semester.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Oct 2, 2020 13:39:25 GMT -5
I believe she will graduate in December and begin grad school in the spring. Why would anyone want restriction on that? Among most students it’s quite common to pursue a graduate degree at a different institution than where you receive your bachelors - not sure that restriction here would be putting the “student” part of “student athlete” first. There is no analog to a normal year in volleyball, since the season is contained in the fall semester (isn't it?). But if I could make one up, it would be like a player graduating in mid October, then transferring to a new school in November and wanting to be immediately eligible then.
That's the argument, anyway, because the season this year is spread out over two semesters.
I imagine the rules are already setup to disallow this in basketball, where the season also spans over the potential graduation of student-athletes at the end of fall semester.
I kinda in a freaky way want to see Shook join a team and then play against my Horns. All in the same academic year.
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Post by trojansc on Oct 2, 2020 13:49:27 GMT -5
This is messy, though. I don't see why any player who is currently competing in the NCAA Season should be allowed to play for a different university in the spring, especially if we are not allowing other recruits(or transfers) who arrive in the Spring to play immediately.
Shook (as an example) can potentially accumulate stats for Texas and another school all in the same season. IF the matches in the Fall were not counting at all, then, it would make complete sense to me and I would have zero objection.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 13:57:50 GMT -5
This is messy, though. I don't see why any player who is currently competing in the NCAA Season should be allowed to play for a different university in the spring, especially if we are not allowing other recruits(or transfers) who arrive in the Spring to play immediately. Shook (as an example) can potentially accumulate stats for Texas and another school all in the same season. IF the matches in the Fall were not counting at all, then, it would make complete sense to me and I would have zero objection. To play devil's advocate, aside from it being messy, what grounds are there to deprive the athlete (who is eligible) from the opportunity to compete during the entire season? It wasn't the athletes who moved the championship to April.
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Post by n00b on Oct 2, 2020 14:04:13 GMT -5
This is messy, though. I don't see why any player who is currently competing in the NCAA Season should be allowed to play for a different university in the spring, especially if we are not allowing other recruits(or transfers) who arrive in the Spring to play immediately. Shook (as an example) can potentially accumulate stats for Texas and another school all in the same season. IF the matches in the Fall were not counting at all, then, it would make complete sense to me and I would have zero objection. To play devil's advocate, aside from it being messy, what grounds are there to deprive the athlete (who is eligible) from the opportunity to compete during the entire season? It wasn't the athletes who moved the championship to April. Would the 28-date limitation be by athlete or school? If Baylor has a terribly disappointing fall season, to the point that they almost certainly won’t get one of the 16 at large bids, it wouldn’t feel right that Yoss could transfer to Penn State in December, play 25 more matches in the spring, and make the NCAA tourney.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 14:11:11 GMT -5
To play devil's advocate, aside from it being messy, what grounds are there to deprive the athlete (who is eligible) from the opportunity to compete during the entire season? It wasn't the athletes who moved the championship to April. Would the 28-date limitation be by athlete or school? If Baylor has a terribly disappointing fall season, to the point that they almost certainly won’t get one of the 16 at large bids, it wouldn’t feel right that Yoss could transfer to Penn State in December, play 25 more matches in the spring, and make the NCAA tourney. And lead the Penn State post match prayer circle?
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Post by trojansc on Oct 2, 2020 14:20:39 GMT -5
To play devil's advocate, aside from it being messy, what grounds are there to deprive the athlete (who is eligible) from the opportunity to compete during the entire season? It wasn't the athletes who moved the championship to April. Her opportunity is not deprived to compete for the entire season. She can continue to play for Texas in the Spring, there are no NCAA limitations against that.
We're not letting kids who graduate high school in December play in the Spring? The NCAA addressed that situation specifically, right?
Also, I wonder if this scenario is possible or has been already addressed in College Basketball, which always takes place in between two different semesters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 14:28:59 GMT -5
This is messy, though. I don't see why any player who is currently competing in the NCAA Season should be allowed to play for a different university in the spring, especially if we are not allowing other recruits(or transfers) who arrive in the Spring to play immediately. Shook (as an example) can potentially accumulate stats for Texas and another school all in the same season. IF the matches in the Fall were not counting at all, then, it would make complete sense to me and I would have zero objection. To play devil's advocate, aside from it being messy, what grounds are there to deprive the athlete (who is eligible) from the opportunity to compete during the entire season? It wasn't the athletes who moved the championship to April. But then, there wouldn't be any championship in a normal spring. You can't have it both ways.
In a normal year ... you play on a team, you graduate from that school at the end of fall semester, and you transfer to another school to start a grad degree. You are immediately eligible to play on that team ...... the following fall, because there is no spring season that counts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 14:30:48 GMT -5
To play devil's advocate, aside from it being messy, what grounds are there to deprive the athlete (who is eligible) from the opportunity to compete during the entire season? It wasn't the athletes who moved the championship to April. Her opportunity is not deprived to compete for the entire season. She can continue to play for Texas in the Spring, there are no NCAA limitations against that.
We're not letting kids who graduate high school in December play in the Spring? The NCAA addressed that situation specifically, right?
Also, I wonder if this scenario is possible or has been already addressed in College Basketball, which always takes place in between two different semesters.
Bolded: I wondered this same thing, a few posts ago. There has to be language preventing it, even if it has never happened. No one would ever allow a senior player for Iowa to graduate after the fall semester, transfer to Minnesota, and play for us immediately that spring. In men's or women's bball.
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Post by trojansc on Oct 2, 2020 14:37:10 GMT -5
Apparently this situation has been (kind of) addressed. It is very interesting in Golf.
Texas, for example, received UCLA's best player in 2017, who transferred as a freshman!
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 2, 2020 15:18:23 GMT -5
I have no idea what the actual rules are or will allow, but in my *opinion* mid-season transfers should not be allowed in the NCAA. And this year, at the very least you can say that Texas has started its season, so a transfer to the spring would be mid-season. It would be another thing if she was transferring from the Big Ten to the PAC, or something like that. I believe she will graduate in December and begin grad school in the spring. Why would anyone want restriction on that? Among most students it’s quite common to pursue a graduate degree at a different institution than where you receive your bachelors - not sure that restriction here would be putting the “student” part of “student athlete” first. It is very likely that she would not start the graduate program until fall 2021. Most graduate programs, at least the good ones, only allow students to start in the fall. Now she could transfer to that school and perhaps take some undergrad courses in the spring. She also would have that same option at Texas in the spring.
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Post by horns1 on Oct 2, 2020 15:21:03 GMT -5
Apparently this situation has been (kind of) addressed. It is very interesting in Golf. Texas, for example, received UCLA's best player in 2017, who transferred as a freshman!
Who was that?
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