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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 18, 2019 22:16:19 GMT -5
Yeah, that’s not really how that works at an OSU.They either have a senior women’s admin or an AD who oversees volleyball. They aren’t going to be asked to give a hand in bowl game prep with what I am sure are at least 25 people committed to that. OSU has 14 athletic directors, 12 people in business office, 22 people in communications office,15 in compliance, 10 in event management, and get ready......53 on football staff,This is the biggest part of the job for the person who oversees volleyball. I am certain it is priority one. holy crap. Your post made me curious so I checked out the website listing all the Athletic Department Personnel. There are literally hundreds. I knew it was big, but I was literally laughing when I scrolled through it. It’s insane. To think there were people saying no way they’d pay a vb coach 450k. That’s laughable. |
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Post by jasonr on Dec 18, 2019 23:48:09 GMT -5
holy crap. Your post made me curious so I checked out the website listing all the Athletic Department Personnel. There are literally hundreds. I knew it was big, but I was literally laughing when I scrolled through it. It’s insane. To think there were people saying no way they’d pay a vb coach 450k. That’s laughable. Go look at their financials, especially their p/l and cash flow statements. Revenue makes headlines, but their financials tell a different story. For the last few years, they're barely turning a profit and that's with recent sizable cash gifts/donations. That's why they're not going to break the bank on a sport that operates at a net loss. Any significant increase in expenditure on a net loss sport almost needs a guarantee in compensatory revenue increases, i.e significant increases in attendance. There are very few coaches that have the cache to instantly increase per match attendance by 1k or more on name recognition alone. Addendum: Does anyone know what they charge for a ticket? Are there any required donations at any seating level? I can give you a pretty accurate projection on assumed attendance growth they would need to pay a coach close to 500k/year. The rub would be if they have any alumni that love volleyball and are willing to make a sizable donation to bolster their salary coffer. |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 19, 2019 0:02:16 GMT -5
Ohio State isn't making huge profits, according to figures in this article, but expenses listed include 6 million+ in buyouts for basketball coaches, and a statement in the article that some donations weren't included (it's not clear if that applies to OSU or not). There may certainly be room for a significant hire in vb, especially given that they made a strong, but not necessary, move in ousting Carlston. Ohio State had $205.6 million in operating revenue and $203.8 million in operating expenses, according to a document it provided to USA TODAY Sports on Wednesday in response to an open-records request. The income figure represents a more than $20 million increase from 2017 and the spending total represents a more than $30 million increase. This is the second time in four years that Ohio State has had a single-year revenue increase of more than $20 million. In 2016, it jumped from just over $145 million to just over $167 million. Not adjusting for inflation, Ohio State’s operating expenses have risen by nearly $50 million since 2015, for which it reported nearly $154 million. (Ohio State reported $114 million in operating expenses for 2014, but then changed the manner in which it was reporting debt service on facilities to make it conform with the manner in which most other schools were counting that expense and with other changes in the NCAA’s reporting form.) Ohio State’s revenues in 2018 were boosted by a dramatic increase in its media rights revenue, which rose to $42.6 million from $25.6 million. That’s a reflection of the Big Ten Conference’s new television contracts, which took effect during the 2018 fiscal year. Ohio State’s ticket revenue increased by about $7.6 million to $69.1 million. Nearly all of that increase came from football ticket sales. On the expense side in 2018, Ohio State reported sizable increases in pay to coaches (up more than $7 million to $38.9 million). It also paid $6.4 million in severance (up from less than $250,000 in 2017), all to its men’s basketball coaches. In addition, its outlay for debt service rose by $4.1 million to $20.9 million; this was due to new buildings and projects that were completed or close to completion in fiscal 2018, athletics spokesman Dan Wallenberg said. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2019/01/23/ohio-state-texas-am-athletics-top-200-million-revenue-2018/2659056002/ |
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Post by jasonr on Dec 19, 2019 0:10:06 GMT -5
Ohio State isn't making huge profits, according to figures in this article, but expenses listed include 6 million+ in buyouts for basketball coaches, and a statement in the article that some donations weren't included (it's not clear if that applies to OSU or not). There may certainly be room for a significant hire in vb, especially given that they made a strong, but not necessary, move in ousting Carlston. Ohio State had $205.6 million in operating revenue and $203.8 million in operating expenses, according to a document it provided to USA TODAY Sports on Wednesday in response to an open-records request. The income figure represents a more than $20 million increase from 2017 and the spending total represents a more than $30 million increase. This is the second time in four years that Ohio State has had a single-year revenue increase of more than $20 million. In 2016, it jumped from just over $145 million to just over $167 million. Not adjusting for inflation, Ohio State’s operating expenses have risen by nearly $50 million since 2015, for which it reported nearly $154 million. (Ohio State reported $114 million in operating expenses for 2014, but then changed the manner in which it was reporting debt service on facilities to make it conform with the manner in which most other schools were counting that expense and with other changes in the NCAA’s reporting form.) Ohio State’s revenues in 2018 were boosted by a dramatic increase in its media rights revenue, which rose to $42.6 million from $25.6 million. That’s a reflection of the Big Ten Conference’s new television contracts, which took effect during the 2018 fiscal year. Ohio State’s ticket revenue increased by about $7.6 million to $69.1 million. Nearly all of that increase came from football ticket sales. On the expense side in 2018, Ohio State reported sizable increases in pay to coaches (up more than $7 million to $38.9 million). It also paid $6.4 million in severance (up from less than $250,000 in 2017), all to its men’s basketball coaches. In addition, its outlay for debt service rose by $4.1 million to $20.9 million; this was due to new buildings and projects that were completed or close to completion in fiscal 2018, athletics spokesman Dan Wallenberg said. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2019/01/23/ohio-state-texas-am-athletics-top-200-million-revenue-2018/2659056002/Exactly. I also know on fairly good authority that the major talking point at the last two Big Ten administrative meetings was about uncertainty in future conference revenues due to stagnation in media rights compensation, especially with respect to what's been happening to other conferences in recent negotiations. Their last licensing deals dropped bags on every school, but now they're forecasting that was the peak/gold rush and conference members are weary of assuming it's going to continue. I'll never rule out athletic administrators from self-ego stroking and committing unwarranted amounts of money to facilities and personnel, it definitely happens, but Carlston was already making more than his more successful peers (e.g. McCutcheon and Sheffield). Why would Ohio State think throwing even more money at a coach is a reasonable solution? They could just offer numerous high quality candidates what Carlston was already making and just hope for better results. |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 19, 2019 0:27:37 GMT -5
I don't have any insight into what OSU will do, but the 6 Million buyout was a one-time expense against operating expense, meaning it's available against future revenues. Throwing around money is what they do, and probably a hard habit to break.
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Post by DragNet on Dec 19, 2019 10:30:44 GMT -5
Many schools have a lot to worry about when it comes to media rights revenue. OSU and a dozen or so others do not. When the current conference structure can no longer generate the revenues, the conference structure will change so that it will. If OSU, Michigan, Florida, Alabama, Texas, TAMU, and a dozen or so others find media revenues declining, we will see a realignment of those teams into super conferences. It isn't just B1G administrators that are rightly concerned. Anyone who isn't in the "Super Conference school" category should have a contingency plan in place for the day those schools and the revenue they generate for their conferences go elsewhere. These Super Conference schools are playing by a different set of rules, and a $500k salary is no more significant to OSU than who will re-stripe the parking lot. While OSU and the other SC schools can operate under the current model with little worry for tomorrow, and others do so with significant apprehension, it is not only about the current economic model. It is all about what's coming. What is significant is the who and a lot less about the how much.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 19, 2019 10:43:38 GMT -5
Ohio State isn't making huge profits, according to figures in this article, but expenses listed include 6 million+ in buyouts for basketball coaches, and a statement in the article that some donations weren't included (it's not clear if that applies to OSU or not). There may certainly be room for a significant hire in vb, especially given that they made a strong, but not necessary, move in ousting Carlston. Ohio State had $205.6 million in operating revenue and $203.8 million in operating expenses, according to a document it provided to USA TODAY Sports on Wednesday in response to an open-records request. The income figure represents a more than $20 million increase from 2017 and the spending total represents a more than $30 million increase. This is the second time in four years that Ohio State has had a single-year revenue increase of more than $20 million. In 2016, it jumped from just over $145 million to just over $167 million. Not adjusting for inflation, Ohio State’s operating expenses have risen by nearly $50 million since 2015, for which it reported nearly $154 million. (Ohio State reported $114 million in operating expenses for 2014, but then changed the manner in which it was reporting debt service on facilities to make it conform with the manner in which most other schools were counting that expense and with other changes in the NCAA’s reporting form.) Ohio State’s revenues in 2018 were boosted by a dramatic increase in its media rights revenue, which rose to $42.6 million from $25.6 million. That’s a reflection of the Big Ten Conference’s new television contracts, which took effect during the 2018 fiscal year. Ohio State’s ticket revenue increased by about $7.6 million to $69.1 million. Nearly all of that increase came from football ticket sales. On the expense side in 2018, Ohio State reported sizable increases in pay to coaches (up more than $7 million to $38.9 million). It also paid $6.4 million in severance (up from less than $250,000 in 2017), all to its men’s basketball coaches. In addition, its outlay for debt service rose by $4.1 million to $20.9 million; this was due to new buildings and projects that were completed or close to completion in fiscal 2018, athletics spokesman Dan Wallenberg said. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2019/01/23/ohio-state-texas-am-athletics-top-200-million-revenue-2018/2659056002/Exactly. I also know on fairly good authority that the major talking point at the last two Big Ten administrative meetings was about uncertainty in future conference revenues due to stagnation in media rights compensation, especially with respect to what's been happening to other conferences in recent negotiations. Their last licensing deals dropped bags on every school, but now they're forecasting that was the peak/gold rush and conference members are weary of assuming it's going to continue. I'll never rule out athletic administrators from self-ego stroking and committing unwarranted amounts of money to facilities and personnel, it definitely happens, but Carlston was already making more than his more successful peers (e.g. McCutcheon and Sheffield). Why would Ohio State think throwing even more money at a coach is a reasonable solution? They could just offer numerous high quality candidates what Carlston was already making and just hope for better results. You’re fact challenged. Carlston was not making more than Mccutcheon or Sheffield. Geoff’s base was $275, his last reported income was from 2016 where he had bonuses totaling 300k. Sheff’s base is 295k, Hugh’s is 410k If you look at salaries and don’t include any bonuses, Cook, rose, Hugh, Sheff and Tamas all have higher base salary making OSU the 6th highest paying program in Big. Removing Cook from equation because they are making a profit, I don’t for the life of me get why you don’t believe the school with the most money wouldn’t be willing to jump into the top 3 of conference. It’s 100% inconsistent with who they are and what they do as a department. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 19, 2019 12:44:24 GMT -5
Who’s the highest paid D1 coach? I don’t know abt their salaries but other posters seem to. I’m assuming maybe rose or cook?
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Post by cindra on Dec 19, 2019 12:52:20 GMT -5
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 19, 2019 13:31:09 GMT -5
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Post by cindra on Dec 19, 2019 13:37:07 GMT -5
Oops. They gave him a raise shortly after this article. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 19, 2019 13:43:04 GMT -5
Oops. They gave him a raise shortly after this article. [b What’s an extra 75k? |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 19, 2019 14:23:02 GMT -5
Oops. They gave him a raise shortly after this article. [b What’s an extra 75k? A lot of years of my rent paid. |
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 19, 2019 14:35:36 GMT -5
That's nothing compared to the one outlier in women's softball. The Oklahoma HC Patty Gasso makes between $900k and $1M, depending on post season results. None of the other coaches makes more than $650k (Walton at Florida, Murphy at Alabama, White at Texas). That raise from about $600k happened around three years ago after a 2nd Natty in three years.
I am assuming softball pays a little more than volleyball due to increased TV coverage in comparison to volleyball.
Which brings up a question I've wondered about -- when a network, whether than be Pac12, B1G, SEC, etc. pays a conference Xmillions of dollars per year, how does each conference or school determine how to allocate a portion of that revenue to each non-revenue sport? We can't just assume it's for football and basketball. A network has to fill thousands of hours of air space. For example, if PAC12 network carries 300 hours of volleyball per season, and 400 hours of softball, does that make softball 4/3 as valuable to the Conference/School as volleyball? You see volleyball is in football season, so there is less need to fill air space than in late March - May 15, where softball can fill some void caused by lack of football or basketball material to air.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 19, 2019 15:03:29 GMT -5
That's nothing compared to the one outlier in women's softball. The Oklahoma HC Patty Gasso makes between $900k and $1M, depending on post season results. None of the other coaches makes more than $650k (Walton at Florida, Murphy at Alabama, White at Texas). That raise from about $600k happened around three years ago after a 2nd Natty in three years. I am assuming softball pays a little more than volleyball due to increased TV coverage in comparison to volleyball. Which brings up a question I've wondered about -- when a network, whether than be Pac12, B1G, SEC, etc. pays a conference Xmillions of dollars per year, how does each conference or school determine how to allocate a portion of that revenue to each non-revenue sport? We can't just assume it's for football and basketball. A network has to fill thousands of hours of air space. For example, if PAC12 network carries 300 hours of volleyball per season, and 400 hours of softball, does that make softball 4/3 as valuable to the Conference/School as volleyball? You see volleyball is in football season, so there is less need to fill air space than in late March - May 15, where softball can fill some void caused by lack of football or basketball material to air. Schools divvy up revenue from tv however they want to, how much it’s televised would t determine that given as you said softball is t on more because it’s more popular, it’s because they are t competing with football and basketball |
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