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Dec 23, 2019 13:24:12 GMT -5
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Dec 23, 2019 13:24:12 GMT -5
AGAIN FOR THE LAST TIME I DON'T CARE. How many times do I need to say it before you get it through your thick skull. Your not a Texas fan therefore you have nothing to say to me. As a Texas fan I have the right to be excited about a recruit. The level melanie parra played at is much tougher than the college level and She is 17 years old and a great player so stop trying to take that away from her. If melanie parra were to be ranked in the USA in terms of top outside hitters she would without a doubt be the best outside hitter in the country and be considered the #1 recruit. I don't care about your metrics and statistics because at the end of the day she is a great player and I am very excited to have her at the 40 acres and I will be at every home match watching her dominate. Why are you so determined on speaking negatively about her and she is not even on campus yet. Why are you even in a Texas thread if your not a Texas fan. That makes absolutely no sense to me I'm here because FACTS are important. They mean something. Your excitement is great. That's what you're there for as a fan. But the minute you start suggesting "x recruit" has a good pass % of 85% or that she's got "a tough serve" I'm going to check the NUMBERS. Not because I hate Texas (I actually like Texas - you still haven't looked at my posting history, despite your attempts to categorize me). Not because I'm hating on Melanie either. I'm actually a fan of hers and I hope she isn't given an unrealistic set of expectations from a bunch of fans that wouldn't know their ass from their elbow. No, I'm correcting your ridiculous statements because posting fallacies, errors and nonsense not only lowers the quality of conversation ON THE ENTIRE BOARD but it creates ridiculous narratives around here which just don't have any bearing on reality. If you want to stick your head in the sand and scream "LA-LA-LA" while I tell you how is has ACTUALLY performed, that's your call. But, as I have said, when I was posting data in defense of Texas players plenty of posters in the Texas thread loved me... Can't have it both ways. Facts are facts, they don't care about your opinion. Also my expectations for her are not unrealistic. I don't expect her to come in and put up 20+ kills a match or 20 digs a match. I do expect her to play at a high level which she already does. From what I have seen from her I am completely okay if she comes in and do what she has been doing at the international level because she is one hell of a player with a very high volleyball IQ and you cannot take that away from her. Melanie is on another level than any incoming freshman in the country and like I said before she can go to any school in the country and start but she chose Texas and I'm damn happy she did so I am not going to let you downplay what she is capable of doing as a freshman because you wanna give "facts" and numbers but what you will not do is acknowledge the fact that her numbers are against much tougher competition than any 17 year old is playing against right now
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Dec 23, 2019 13:24:55 GMT -5
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 23, 2019 13:24:55 GMT -5
I’m going to guess B based on the serve/block percentages.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 13:28:38 GMT -5
I'm here because FACTS are important. They mean something. Your excitement is great. That's what you're there for as a fan. But the minute you start suggesting "x recruit" has a good pass % of 85% or that she's got "a tough serve" I'm going to check the NUMBERS. Not because I hate Texas (I actually like Texas - you still haven't looked at my posting history, despite your attempts to categorize me). Not because I'm hating on Melanie either. I'm actually a fan of hers and I hope she isn't given an unrealistic set of expectations from a bunch of fans that wouldn't know their ass from their elbow. No, I'm correcting your ridiculous statements because posting fallacies, errors and nonsense not only lowers the quality of conversation ON THE ENTIRE BOARD but it creates ridiculous narratives around here which just don't have any bearing on reality. If you want to stick your head in the sand and scream "LA-LA-LA" while I tell you how is has ACTUALLY performed, that's your call. But, as I have said, when I was posting data in defense of Texas players plenty of posters in the Texas thread loved me... Can't have it both ways. Facts are facts, they don't care about your opinion. No the facts are melanie parra played against much tougher competition compared to any other freshman coming in for any team in 2020. If you were to put parra against the competition the rest of the incoming recruits played in high school then her numbers would drastically improve in terms of stats since thats all you talk about and if you put those recruits against the competition she played they wouldn't know what to do with themselves. Her stats are based off of playing 100x tougher competition than the rest of these freshman. I don't give a rats ass about your stats and your right I am a fan with high expectations as I have for every freshman that comes to Texas. The fact that your even in this thread is beyond me for the simple fact YOUR NOT A TEXAS FAN. I would agree with you if you gave stats on Madison williams or losia because the competition they played is nothing compared to parra so again your stats mean absolutely nothing to me Wait, you said she had am 85% good pass percentage in the "matches" you watched?! Now you're saying that her stats aren't indicative of her performance because it's against superior competition? I thought she was dominating superior competition and that's what you were excited about?! And for the record, I also gave the stats for a teammate of Melanie's since I suspected you'd use the whole "It's international level" excuse. You must be able to identify her from those numbers? I mean you watched all her games right? Which one is Melanie? A, B, C or D? Or is it E: you don't really know, you definitely don't like being exposed as a casual fan and you would just like to have your private Texas-only shrine in peace where you can spread nonsense and create absurd fandoms around 5'9 17 year olds that you've no idea how to evaluate?
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Dec 23, 2019 13:36:25 GMT -5
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Post by treesandwaves on Dec 23, 2019 13:36:25 GMT -5
No the facts are melanie parra played against much tougher competition compared to any other freshman coming in for any team in 2020. If you were to put parra against the competition the rest of the incoming recruits played in high school then her numbers would drastically improve in terms of stats since thats all you talk about and if you put those recruits against the competition she played they wouldn't know what to do with themselves. Her stats are based off of playing 100x tougher competition than the rest of these freshman. I don't give a rats ass about your stats and your right I am a fan with high expectations as I have for every freshman that comes to Texas. The fact that your even in this thread is beyond me for the simple fact YOUR NOT A TEXAS FAN. I would agree with you if you gave stats on Madison williams or losia because the competition they played is nothing compared to parra so again your stats mean absolutely nothing to me Wait, you said she had am 85% good pass percentage in the "matches" you watched?! Now you're saying that her stats aren't indicative of her performance because it's against superior competition? I thought she was dominating superior competition and that's what you were excited about?! And for the record, I also gave the stats for a teammate of Melanie's since I suspected you'd use the whole "It's international level" excuse. You must be able to identify her from those numbers? I mean you watched all her games right? Which one is Melanie? A, B, C or D? Or is it E: you don't really know, you definitely don't like being exposed as a casual fan and you would just like to have your private Texas-only shrine in peace where you can spread nonsense and create absurd fandoms around 5'9 17 year olds that you've no idea how to evaluate? You’re right. You are absolutely right. Can we move on now?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 13:40:25 GMT -5
To clarify: for anyone NOT hopelessly lost in their own fandom reality. This isn't about Melanie as a prospect. I've watched her a lot and her hitting in the U18 Pan American Cup was great. It's about people on VT throwing out nonsense statements and "backing them up" with made-up stats (85% ![B-|](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/notamused.png) ). The facts matter because these aren't fictional characters; they're real humans who deserve better. And I'll keep on sharing actual facts about players whether people want them or not. I'll wait for a few more responses to the game then I'll tell you which one is Parra and give a few thoughts having watched all of her matches.
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Dec 23, 2019 13:45:01 GMT -5
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Dec 23, 2019 13:45:01 GMT -5
No the facts are melanie parra played against much tougher competition compared to any other freshman coming in for any team in 2020. If you were to put parra against the competition the rest of the incoming recruits played in high school then her numbers would drastically improve in terms of stats since thats all you talk about and if you put those recruits against the competition she played they wouldn't know what to do with themselves. Her stats are based off of playing 100x tougher competition than the rest of these freshman. I don't give a rats ass about your stats and your right I am a fan with high expectations as I have for every freshman that comes to Texas. The fact that your even in this thread is beyond me for the simple fact YOUR NOT A TEXAS FAN. I would agree with you if you gave stats on Madison williams or losia because the competition they played is nothing compared to parra so again your stats mean absolutely nothing to me Wait, you said she had am 85% good pass percentage in the "matches" you watched?! Now you're saying that her stats aren't indicative of her performance because it's against superior competition? I thought she was dominating superior competition and that's what you were excited about?! And for the record, I also gave the stats for a teammate of Melanie's since I suspected you'd use the whole "It's international level" excuse. You must be able to identify her from those numbers? I mean you watched all her games right? Which one is Melanie? A, B, C or D? Or is it E: you don't really know, you definitely don't like being exposed as a casual fan and you would just like to have your private Texas-only shrine in peace where you can spread nonsense and create absurd fandoms around 5'9 17 year olds that you've no idea how to evaluate? I was clearly just talking when I said 85% but definitely don't get me confused I mean this 1000% when I say she is the best of the best. She is obviously dominating international play which is why she will be playing in the Olympics. If she were not then why would Mexico put her on the OLYMPIC TEAM? What other freshman next season will be doing that?🤔 I never said she was playing bad internationally no she is playing damn well. What I'm saying is you cannot look at her numbers at the international level and say she is not all that because as I said over and over again and it's something you seem to not get. COLLEGE VOLLEYBALL IS NOT AS TOUGH AS INTERNATIONAL PLAY🗣🗣 you understand now? The fact she has been playing internationally since she was what 15? Is a blessing within itself. So I'm saying when she comes to Texas she will already have that experience and level of play to dominate at the collegiate level since she has been playing tough competition for so long. Let's use an example since you don't seem to understand.... If I'm in high school playing basketball at the varsity level and then I go to jv of course im going to dominate at the jv level because I have grown my game playing against varsity opponents and tougher competition. Nooooo I'm not saying college is just a cake walk because its not by any means necessary but she will not struggle like most freshman coming into college. Her level of play will already be like she is a junior or senior because she has that knowledge. Do you understand me now?🤔 since you seem to dodge whatever I say because you know I am right
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 13:58:56 GMT -5
One set of those numbers ARE her numbers... which ones do you think they are?! Would you describe ANY as "dominating"? To be frank, Mexico aren't good - they've lost 14 of their last 15 matches internationally and their win was against Trinidad and Tobago. Again, you seem to think my issue is with Melanie. It isn't. It's with you saying stupid things like "she is obviously dominating international play". She's not. Of course playing against Brazil and Serbia will improve her. But there's nothing wrong with acknowledging how good she ACTUALLY is right now; what she's good at, what she struggles with, and what kind of player Texas will be getting. There aren't two settings here; fanboy and hater. I don't have any bias here & you ought to have realised by now I'm far from a casual fan/parent/homer.
The reason I did the blind test was to show you that you wouldn't be able to pick her stats out of a line-up. By refusing to do so, you're just proving my point. A LOT of people here post as if they know what they're talking about when, in actual fact, they don't.
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Dec 23, 2019 14:03:14 GMT -5
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 23, 2019 14:03:14 GMT -5
She is obviously dominating international play which is why she will be playing in the Olympics. If she were not then why would Mexico put her on the OLYMPIC TEAM? Mexico is not going to the Olympics.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Dec 23, 2019 14:04:51 GMT -5
Not at all. I couldn't care less what information he has. Parra is a great player and even when I watched her play against logan eggleston and molly Phillips over the summer she was serving very tough and hitting over the block of logan eggleston and molly Phillips and everyone knows how hard that is based on what they did this season. Nobody is going to tell me she is not a great player. She will start at Texas at the end of the day so what anyone has to say about her is completely irrelevant to me. We can talk all day about statistics because Logan eggleston was not a great passer this season but it doesn't take away from the fact that she is an outstanding player and gamechanger. Same goes for Parra only she is a great passer so it is what it is. Im not about to let someone who is not a texas fan tell me otherwise about a player that is a Texas recruit and he's not even a Texas fan lol makes no sense whatsoever 🙄 YO, I think you're completely misunderstanding BigWest's intent. If you know his history, you know that his observations are all fact based, and that he actually advocates that Logan was a better passer than most people give her credit for. So don't get so defensive in response to his questions. I agree. BigWest is a coach and in the past, he's gone through and watched video and done grading and explanation of what that grading entails. This has led to some skirmishes as well.
BigWest isn't say, "You're a liar. Show me the link". BigWest is saying, "Oh, got a youtube link I can look over and analyze?" If you give a sample link of one you've watched and admired than you and BigWest can be comparing apples-to-apples.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Dec 23, 2019 14:09:32 GMT -5
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Dec 23, 2019 14:09:32 GMT -5
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Post by ngc9494 on Dec 23, 2019 14:09:32 GMT -5
Omg this thread is becoming a dumpster fire.
I pick player B.
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Post by EyesOfTexas on Dec 23, 2019 14:16:10 GMT -5
Why all the arguing. Has Parra signed yet? Is she going to? So many questions to be answered!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 14:17:37 GMT -5
YO, I think you're completely misunderstanding BigWest's intent. If you know his history, you know that his observations are all fact based, and that he actually advocates that Logan was a better passer than most people give her credit for. So don't get so defensive in response to his questions. I agree. BigWest is a coach and in the past, he's gone through and watched video and done grading and explanation of what that grading entails. This has led to some skirmishes as well.
BigWest isn't say, "You're a liar. Show me the link". BigWest is saying, "Oh, got a youtube link I can look over and analyze?" If you give a sample link of one you've watched and admired than you and BigWest can be comparing apples-to-apples.
Appreaciate you hornfanaustin Pick a player from the list & then I'll explain which she is and how well she's doing - I wanna get back to my actual PURPOSE here which is shedding some light on the mystical prospect that is Melanie Parra for a Longhorns fanbase that is clearly rabid for info on her!
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Dec 23, 2019 14:18:21 GMT -5
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Dec 23, 2019 14:18:21 GMT -5
One set of those numbers ARE her numbers... which ones do you think they are?! Would you describe ANY as "dominating"? To be frank, Mexico aren't good - they've lost 14 of their last 15 matches internationally and their win was against Trinidad and Tobago. Again, you seem to think my issue is with Melanie. It isn't. It's with you saying stupid things like "she is obviously dominating international play". She's not. Of course playing against Brazil and Serbia will improve her. But there's nothing wrong with acknowledging how good she ACTUALLY is right now; what she's good at, what she struggles with, and what kind of player Texas will be getting. There aren't two settings here; fanboy and hater. I don't have any bias here & you ought to have realised by now I'm far from a casual fan/parent/homer. The reason I did the blind test was to show you that you wouldn't be able to pick her stats out of a line-up. By refusing to do so, you're just proving my point. A LOT of people here post as if they know what they're talking about when, in actual fact, they don't. omg the reason I won't answer your stupid question is because I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT THEM! You absolutely refuse to acknowledge the fact that her numbers are against much tougher competition than anyone else. I keep saying the same thing over and over again and you just can't comprehend what I'm saying. Just read slow and see if you can understand what I'm saying. I don't expect her to come in and put up 20+ kills or digs every match. I am saying she will be the perfect peace for Texas since micaya white is graduating. Her offense will replace micays if not improve. Getting parra is not like getting a freshman she is on a different level than any freshman in 2020 hints why Texas has been recruiting her for over a year. She will make Texas better. Logan eggleston will obviously be the go to player but parra will get hers regardless you fail to realize she is not on the same level as other freshman. Again you cannot compare her numbers at the international level and assume she is going to put up the same numbers at Texas. If you do your very wrong because her numbers will be like no other for a freshman because she is such a versatile player with a very high IQ I'm done with the conversation because I'm clearly going to stick by with everything I have said 1000% and no stats or numbers or someone who is not even a Texas fan is going to change that. Parra will dominate at Texas as soon as she gets on campus and thats exactly what I meant and will continue to say and it is what it is. She is one of the best recruits I have seen and I'm very happy she chose Texas and will be screaming at every home match in 2020 and that's what it's going to be so you can keep your stats and metrics because I have no care for them whatsoever. They mean absolutely nothing to me and from what I watched on parra I am very excited for her to get on campus and can't wait to see her in the starting lineup🤘 HAVE A GOOD DAY
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Dec 23, 2019 14:20:51 GMT -5
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Post by EyesOfTexas on Dec 23, 2019 14:20:51 GMT -5
She is obviously dominating international play which is why she will be playing in the Olympics. If she were not then why would Mexico put her on the OLYMPIC TEAM? Mexico is not going to the Olympics. What 12 teams made the Olympics, does anyone know?
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