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Dec 23, 2019 14:23:19 GMT -5
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Dec 23, 2019 14:23:19 GMT -5
YO, I think you're completely misunderstanding BigWest's intent. If you know his history, you know that his observations are all fact based, and that he actually advocates that Logan was a better passer than most people give her credit for. So don't get so defensive in response to his questions. I agree. BigWest is a coach and in the past, he's gone through and watched video and done grading and explanation of what that grading entails. This has led to some skirmishes as well.
BigWest isn't say, "You're a liar. Show me the link". BigWest is saying, "Oh, got a youtube link I can look over and analyze?" If you give a sample link of one you've watched and admired than you and BigWest can be comparing apples-to-apples.
I wish I could believe that but when he said he was talking to a couple of fans who don't know there elbows from there ass then all the calm and respect goes out the window. Your not going to disrespect me and expect me not to clap back. He had a sarcastic thing going on with him from the beginning which is why I clapped back to begin with but im honestly over the whole conversation. I still feel the same way I feel when I started and I stick by with what I said in the beginning and that's just what it is. He feels how he feels and I feel how I feel and that's where the conversation ends
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Dec 23, 2019 14:32:11 GMT -5
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Dec 23, 2019 14:32:11 GMT -5
She is obviously dominating international play which is why she will be playing in the Olympics. If she were not then why would Mexico put her on the OLYMPIC TEAM? Mexico is not going to the Olympics. They still have a chance. She posted on her Instagram with her and the Mexican national preparing for the Olympic qualifiers
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 23, 2019 15:00:50 GMT -5
Mexico is not going to the Olympics. What 12 teams made the Olympics, does anyone know? Currently: United States, Japan, China, Brazil, Russia, Italy, Serbia 5 more spots remain, 1 of which will go to the winner of the NORCECA Qualifier (essentially Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, or Canada).
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 23, 2019 15:02:40 GMT -5
Mexico is not going to the Olympics. They still have a chance. She posted on her Instagram with her and the Mexican national preparing for the Olympic qualifiers They're not going, they're not good enough. It's like saying TCU was going to make the NCAA tournament.
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Post by Longhorn20 on Dec 23, 2019 16:41:25 GMT -5
I’m guessing Player B but hoping Player C😂
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Post by horns1 on Dec 23, 2019 16:56:45 GMT -5
Hard for me to follow the last few pages of this thread. bigwestfan2 is not a Texas hater; has been very complimentary of Texas in the Texas 2019 thread since the UCSB match, and in other threads.
As for Melanie Parra, to each their own in their opinions about Melanie's play up to this point, and what impact she might have at Texas. The reason so many Texas fans are very optimistic about her all-around court play is the positive assessment of her play from so many non-Texas fans (in the previous Texas Recruiting thread, particularly); that doesn't happen very often as most non-Texas posters on this this message board love to take their shots at Texas recruits.
To me, Melanie is an undersized OH for Division I volleyball. That doesn't mean much as we've seen similar players (in stature) like Amy Neal have the utmost success at the collegiate level, even though it wasn't immediate. Early on after her public verbal commitment to Texas, I watched youtube clips of Melanie which showed she has a great jump serve (which if consistent, will definitely help Texas), and her hitting is very dynamic with so many different shots in her arsenal. On the flip side, when I watched the match this past summer with Mexico against the USA squad with players like Eggleston, Fields, Phillips, Kipp, Wenaas, etc., I recall Melanie struggling against a big block; maybe that's an inaccurate assessment as I didn't go back and look at the stats. Regardless, one match certainly doesn't dictate her overall play over the course of a bunch of matches.
Obviously, she's played a lot of international volleyball. And, if she adjusts well to American college volleyball, that will be great for Texas. Until I see her play at Texas, I can't say she will "dominate" at this level. Players her size just don't dominate the competition match in and match out; that kind of compliment is reserved for an exception like 6'6 Kathryn Plummer, IMO.
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Post by trojansc on Dec 23, 2019 17:53:43 GMT -5
She is obviously dominating international play which is why she will be playing in the Olympics. If she were not then why would Mexico put her on the OLYMPIC TEAM? Mexico is not going to the Olympics. I love you!
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Dec 23, 2019 18:39:08 GMT -5
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Dec 23, 2019 18:39:08 GMT -5
They still have a chance. She posted on her Instagram with her and the Mexican national preparing for the Olympic qualifiers They're not going, they're not good enough. It's like saying TCU was going to make the NCAA tournament. They most likely won't, I'm just saying they have the opportunity
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Dec 23, 2019 18:43:27 GMT -5
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Dec 23, 2019 18:43:27 GMT -5
Hard for me to follow the last few pages of this thread. bigwestfan2 is not a Texas hater; has been very complimentary of Texas in the Texas 2019 thread since the UCSB match, and in other threads. As for Melanie Parra, to each their own in their opinions about Melanie's play up to this point, and what impact she might have at Texas. The reason so many Texas fans are very optimistic about her all-around court play is the positive assessment of her play from so many non-Texas fans (in the previous Texas Recruiting thread, particularly); that doesn't happen very often as most non-Texas posters on this this message board love to take their shots at Texas recruits. To me, Melanie is an undersized OH for Division I volleyball. That doesn't mean much as we've seen similar players (in stature) like Amy Neal have the utmost success at the collegiate level, even though it wasn't immediate. Early on after her public verbal commitment to Texas, I watched youtube clips of Melanie which showed she has a great jump serve (which if consistent, will definitely help Texas), and her hitting is very dynamic with so many different shots in her arsenal. On the flip side, when I watched the match this past summer with Mexico against the USA squad with players like Eggleston, Fields, Phillips, Kipp, Wenaas, etc., I recall Melanie struggling against a big block; maybe that's an inaccurate assessment as I didn't go back and look at the stats. Regardless, one match certainly doesn't dictate her overall play over the course of a bunch of matches. Obviously, she's played a lot of international volleyball. And, if she adjusts well to American college volleyball, that will be great for Texas. Until I see her play at Texas, I can't say she will "dominate" at this level. Players her size just don't dominate the competition match in and match out; that kind of compliment is reserved for an exception like 6'6 Kathryn Plummer, IMO. My point exactly. Amy neal came into her own at Texas and became a reliable outside hitter for Texas in the front and back row. Parra is more far along than amy was as a freshman so the impact melanie will have at Texas will be a good one even if it's coming in just to hit in the back row and serve and have someone taller like madison Williams or capri davis hit in the front row. What I'm saying in a nutshell is even though micaya white is graduating the amount of offense she produced will not be lost
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 18:54:51 GMT -5
OK guys, so talking to this professional youtube scout I just thought of a game we're going to call: Which One Is Melanie Parra?The idea is simple. I'm going to post the attacking, passing, serving and blocking numbers for 4 real OHs from the analytics site volleymetrics. If you don't know volleymetrics, it's your favorite team's favorite analytics site. All you have to do is guess which one is the fabled Melanie Parra. | Hitting Efficiency | Hitting - Kill % | Passing Grade (out of 3) | Good Pass % (% of 2+ passes) | Serving - (Opponent GP% vs her serve) Lower is better | Good Block % | Block Error % | Player A | .311 | 39.7% | 2.01 | 44% | 46.3% | 47.5% | 30.6% | Player B | .264 | 35.8% | 1.83 | 40% | 33% | 14% | 58% | Player C | .262 | 43.1% | 2.07 | 47.5% | 37.5% | 31.5% | 46.4% | Player D | .336 | 42.3% | 1.90 | 40% | 71.4% | 48.5% | 30.4% |
Edit: I don't troll and I don't have a daughter. Enjoy the game! (Added to the chart for accuracy) OK, I was waiting for horns1 to reply and he did, so let's do this now. Firstly, again, let me state I'm NOT a Texas hater. I'm simply not biased towards this college or that college. My interest is in analytics and evaluation. I like volleyball players, I work with volleyball players, I don't care about fandoms. That said, as several of you guessed Melanie Parra was Player B. For the record; Player A was Micaya White (which is cool because someone said Parra would improve on her numbers when she gets to Texas - more on that in a bit), Player C was Andrea Rangel, Melanie's teammate for Mexico and Player D was (imo) the best FR Oppo in the country, Skylar Fields. I chose each player to illustrate different things about Melanie's game and both highlight areas where she excels and areas I think she'll need to improve. So here were her stats: Hitting .264 - Kill% 35.8% - Passing grade 1.83 - Good Pass% 40% - Opponent GP% Against Her Serve 33% - Good Block Touch 14% - Block Error 58%Firstly, lets start with what jumps off the tape when you watch her. Her arm is fast and she's fearless. She uses high hands well. She's got a very accurate serve, especially to zone 6. In the U18 PanAm Cup this summer she was dominant and terminal - although again, with accuracy rather than raw power. Her cut shot is particularly good and it's necessary at international level to get her past a bigger block. She's also a leader and doesn't let one mistake turn into two mistakes. If she shanks a pass, she'll come right back with a better one next ball. That's mental toughness. She's a willing defender and although her footwork is a bit awkward sometimes she's never short on effort. Now for the stuff she needs to work on. First and foremost, that 14% good block touch is a problem. In her first season Micaya White was at 49%. Eggleston was at 53% as a freshman. Obviously playing Puerto Rico is different to playing Iwoa State but 14% in FIVB Worlds isn't going to be 53% in D1. I don't know if anyone realised this (they should have if they watched all her matches) but she's spent more time in the back-row for Mexico than at OH. She's listed at 5'9 - she may still be growing, but even if she reaches 5'10 she'll still be undersized. Currently she can't press over the net because she simply isn't high enough. That means hitters just hit over her when she's outside. She also gets tooled too much (because she can't press) as evidenced by her very high block error count. Passing is another thing. She has a habit (and you'll see it with players at every level) of hopping right before she receives the ball. She's basically resetting her feet & doesn't actually move anywhere. It's purely habitual and unnecessary, but it causes her to be late with her platform and stab at the ball. It's more noticeable if she's receiving balls to her left from the middle back spot; that's typically where she gets aced. Her footwork in SR also needs work. She often 'leaves her feet behind' and leans towards balls which, again, makes her snatch at them rather than being completely stopped at the point of contact. These are technique things. Good coaching can clean them up, but it's also very dependant on the player wanting to address them. She passed a 1.8 this year. In case you aren't sure what a 1.8 looks like; it's what Sydney Petersen passed in the Tournament. Again, that's not me hating on Parra - simply explaining that, contrary to the posters who swear they've watched all her matches, she isn't passing dimes at the international level but there are ways in which she can turn her passing and defense into a strength. Offensively, due to her lack of height, she goes for high hands a lot and if she misses it's missing long because she didn't get the touch. She doesn't tool the block as often as I'd like to see and that's something I'd like to see her develop. She is smart though and she has a high VB IQ. So why did I go such lengths to clear up a few misconceptions about Melanie Parra? Is it because I'd rather talk about Volleyball and spend time with my in-laws? Maybe... But it's also because Texas is getting a kid that people seem to be expecting the world from. I think it's partly that she's coming from Mexico and so might as well be coming from Mars - most of the people in this thread have only ever seen YT highlights of her and before you know it people are saying she's 10' tall and shoots fireballs from her fingers. I've seen people talking about Sammy Bricio comparisons and suggesting she's passing like a world class libero... The reality is that, based on what we've seen, she's a prodigiously talented 5'9 OH who is smart, has a tough serve and a fast accurate arm. If she improves her passing and cleans up the technique stuff, I could see her in the back-row relatively quickly. But a 5'9 OH starting at Texas is a really big ask. If she keeps growing at hits 5'11-6' then she has the skills to play at the pin early but without that it'll be tough on a very good Texas roster. Anyway, those are my thoughts, take them for what you will.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Dec 23, 2019 20:18:38 GMT -5
Whoa, great writeup @bigwestfan2 . A question about the shuffling of her feet before receiving some balls. You say you see it with others as well. Is that the lingering effects of some coaching theory? i.e. some high school or club coach taught all their players this technique for some perceived
playing advantage?
I'm always curious when I see some quirk in a player. Like we had a college WBB player always hop up off the court when receiving a pass. Just, odd.
ADDED: Facts! What right do you have to bring FACTS into this forum!?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 20:47:29 GMT -5
Whoa, great writeup @bigwestfan2 . A question about the shuffling of her feet before receiving some balls. You say you see it with others as well. Is that the lingering effects of some coaching theory? i.e. some high school or club coach taught all their players this technique for some perceived
playing advantage?
I'm always curious when I see some quirk in a player. Like we had a college WBB player always hop up off the court when receiving a pass. Just, odd.
ADDED: Facts! What right do you have to bring FACTS into this forum!? Hah, I know... Facts, schmacts! "Burn the witch" right? Regarding the hop; believe it or not, I observed several players doing it in a particularly important match on Saturday - so when I say you see it through all levels, I mean it. I actually worked with a very good libero over the summer and when I brought it up her exact words were "Ohhh yeah, I've been told about that. I guess I've been doing it since I started playing!". But with a bit of focus and some determination on her part, she stopped doing it and saw a significant improvement in her passing and reaction speed on defense. That's really the difference between the good players and the great ones in my opinion. How hard are they willing to work to get better? Take Dana Rettke for example. Last season her serve was ehh - opponents had a good pass 49% of the time when she was serving. She decided to devote a lot of time to it over the summer. The result? This year opposing teams have a good pass percentage against Rettke's serve of just 32%! That's pretty cool if you ask me. Btw, speaking of people maximising their physical tools, I want to see Butler work on her blocking. Given the athlete she is a 47% good block touch just isn't high enough. I understand that Butler's lack of court time has made the offensive connection tricky but if there's one area I'd look for her to improve next year, it's blocking. She's such an imposing player.I'd like to see her improve both her total number of touches at the net and her good block touches. Blocking efficiency is the only major statistical category in which Texas's number was lower than the aggregate of their composite opponents this year (45% for Texas - 47.1% for their combined opponents) and given the athletes on that roster that should NOT be the case. Baylor, for example, was up at 52%.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Dec 23, 2019 21:20:41 GMT -5
Hah, I know... Facts, schmacts! "Burn the witch" right? Btw, speaking of people maximising their physical tools, I want to see Butler work on her blocking. Given the athlete she is a 47% good block touch just isn't high enough. I understand that Butler's lack of court time has made the offensive connection tricky but if there's one area I'd look for her to improve next year, it's blocking. She's such an imposing player.I'd like to see her improve both her total number of touches at the net and her good block touches. Blocking efficiency is the only major statistical category in which Texas's number was lower than the aggregate of their composite opponents this year (45% for Texas - 47.1% for their combined opponents) and given the athletes on that roster that should NOT be the case. Baylor, for example, was up at 52%. Yup agree. You may not have seen her much in her redshirt freshman year, but she had a lot of net violations as she was learning how to control her body in attack and defense so close to the net. You'd be watching action elsewhere and the whistle would blow and it was Butler touching the net with her back or shoulder as she was adjusting her position. Frustrating. Or, her hands would crash down on the top of the net after a block.
She also had issues with the ball getting "tangled" in her hands during block or jousting battles.
But this year, an improvement in her RS-sophmore season.
Molly Phillips, during her true freshman year, had fewer of these typical freshman errors. She was ready for the joust or overpass when it came her way. Very impressive, but doesn't have the as high of hops or arm strength as Brionne.
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Dec 23, 2019 21:44:45 GMT -5
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Dec 23, 2019 21:44:45 GMT -5
Whoever gets the chance watch this match and you will see what I'm talking about. Im terms of her passing and play at the pins. Of course she is going to make mistakes I'm not saying she is perfect but she can handle her own
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Dec 23, 2019 21:46:40 GMT -5
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Post by bball on Dec 23, 2019 21:46:40 GMT -5
Whoever gets the chance watch this match and you will see what I'm talking about. Im terms of her passing and play at the pins. Of course she is going to make mistakes I'm not saying she is perfect but she can handle her own Parra is an unreal player. Total score if she lands texas. Still believe cap could excel at 6 rotations tho
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