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Post by kokyu on Jan 4, 2020 0:21:27 GMT -5
OPP: Butler OH1: LVW OH2: Larson M1: Akinradewo M2: Ogbogu S: Plum L: Lake (cheerleader role even if JWO's ahead a little statistically)
This team with few months practice would beat in their prime
OPP: Hooker OH1: Tom OH2: Larson M1: Akinradewo M2: Harmotto S: Berg L: Davis
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Post by yupyupyup on Jan 4, 2020 1:36:54 GMT -5
OPP: Butler OH1: LVW OH2: Larson M1: Akinradewo M2: Ogbogu S: Plum L: Lake (cheerleader role even if JWO's ahead a little statistically) This team with few months practice would beat in their prime OPP: Hooker OH1: Tom OH2: Larson M1: Akinradewo M2: Harmotto S: Berg L: Davis No
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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 4, 2020 1:44:50 GMT -5
JWO would be the service target. Even if Courtney or Lake were in her place...everyone knows not to serve Robinson or Larson. Also everyone knows our Libero is our weakness. According to VolleyMetrics, Courtney was Team USA's best passer at the World Cup. She definitely had a bad match against China, but against the other teams that finished in the Top 5 (Brazil and Japan -- she didn't play against Russia) she was over 80% positive without getting aced once. I am aware. We just need a real Libero in that position. In that match vs. China....the kind of all around defensive play needed to win against those types of opponents she just doesn't posses. When Justine entered the match her passing numbers were not only superior, she also covered multiple blocked balls and made some insane digs on Zhu Ting and Yuan Xingue...two of China's most lethal attacking weapons. Thats the kind of player you want in that Libero position. Hell I even saw more of that same defensive fire from Lake who barely played this summer. I literally rewatched the match this evening. Courtney chokes under the pressure and there will be an abundance of that same pressure in Tokyo. I wish everyone on here would see her for what she is...an OH who should STAY there. I have nothing against her as an athlete and I rather like watching her play in Serie A1. The whole point of crafting an Olympic roster is to find players who are mentally tough enough to compete with the top teams....and I just don't think she is mentally tough enough. It shows in her shaky play when it counts. I also think Hill, Drews, Lowe and Bartsch do the same thing when the gauntlet is down and the team needs them....they choke. To be fair in that match most of the team had their worst performance of the tournament. China played lights out but the USA made tons of little errors that piled up and cost them yet another gold medal. Is it the system? Probably. Is it Karch? Definitely. Should you base all of your arguments on Volleymetrics? Probably not....but if that is your thing....go for it. I base my arguments off of what I SEE.....and Courtney at Libero.....is a liability.
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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 4, 2020 1:46:35 GMT -5
That's the cool thing...there isn't a whole lot separating the top three in each position except for Libero....we really do have a Libero problem. Easily the most precarious position going into the OG. One combo I would like to see (assuming everyone is playing at their highest level) Carlini, JWO, Thompson, Ogbogu, Akinradewo, Larson and Robinson. JWO would be the service target. Even if Courtney or Lake were in her place...everyone knows not to serve Robinson or Larson. Also everyone knows our Libero is our weakness. Thompson, Larson and Robinson will carry most of the offensive load as Carlini won't run the middle in front a ton (not her forte) but will run the slide/back 10/pipe/bic which is one of her strengths she brings to the team. If the pins are struggling then we will see Poulter. At that point we can expect much more offense through the middle especially in system. I like what I saw from Poulter at the World Cup. She made some significant improvements on all setting locations except to the right side. Her sets were too low most of the time. I hope we see Foluke return to her Rio offensive form. I fear no one can set her like Glass could. Their connection was otherworldly. The sets were fast AND high where she was hitting over pretty much every block. What is your ideal line-up? Not a fan of Hancock’s setting. Ummmm have you been watching her in Italy this season? She has impressed me.
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Post by n00b on Jan 4, 2020 2:26:00 GMT -5
According to VolleyMetrics, Courtney was Team USA's best passer at the World Cup. She definitely had a bad match against China, but against the other teams that finished in the Top 5 (Brazil and Japan -- she didn't play against Russia) she was over 80% positive without getting aced once. I am aware. We just need a real Libero in that position. In that match vs. China....the kind of all around defensive play needed to win against those types of opponents she just doesn't posses. When Justine entered the match her passing numbers were not only superior, she also covered multiple blocked balls and made some insane digs on Zhu Ting and Yuan Xingue...two of China's most lethal attacking weapons. Thats the kind of player you want in that Libero position. Hell I even saw more of that same defensive fire from Lake who barely played this summer. I literally rewatched the match this evening. Courtney chokes under the pressure and there will be an abundance of that same pressure in Tokyo. I wish everyone on here would see her for what she is...an OH who should STAY there. I have nothing against her as an athlete and I rather like watching her play in Serie A1. The whole point of crafting an Olympic roster is to find players who are mentally tough enough to compete with the top teams....and I just don't think she is mentally tough enough. It shows in her shaky play when it counts. I also think Hill, Drews, Lowe and Bartsch do the same thing when the gauntlet is down and the team needs them....they choke. To be fair in that match most of the team had their worst performance of the tournament. China played lights out but the USA made tons of little errors that piled up and cost them yet another gold medal. Is it the system? Probably. Is it Karch? Definitely. Should you base all of your arguments on Volleymetrics? Probably not....but if that is your thing....go for it. ;) I base my arguments off of what I SEE.....and Courtney at Libero.....is a liability. Actual question... are there other big moments that Courtney has choked in? Or is the entirety of that opinion based on one match?
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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 4, 2020 2:34:24 GMT -5
I am aware. We just need a real Libero in that position. In that match vs. China....the kind of all around defensive play needed to win against those types of opponents she just doesn't posses. When Justine entered the match her passing numbers were not only superior, she also covered multiple blocked balls and made some insane digs on Zhu Ting and Yuan Xingue...two of China's most lethal attacking weapons. Thats the kind of player you want in that Libero position. Hell I even saw more of that same defensive fire from Lake who barely played this summer. I literally rewatched the match this evening. Courtney chokes under the pressure and there will be an abundance of that same pressure in Tokyo. I wish everyone on here would see her for what she is...an OH who should STAY there. I have nothing against her as an athlete and I rather like watching her play in Serie A1. The whole point of crafting an Olympic roster is to find players who are mentally tough enough to compete with the top teams....and I just don't think she is mentally tough enough. It shows in her shaky play when it counts. I also think Hill, Drews, Lowe and Bartsch do the same thing when the gauntlet is down and the team needs them....they choke. To be fair in that match most of the team had their worst performance of the tournament. China played lights out but the USA made tons of little errors that piled up and cost them yet another gold medal. Is it the system? Probably. Is it Karch? Definitely. Should you base all of your arguments on Volleymetrics? Probably not....but if that is your thing....go for it. I base my arguments off of what I SEE.....and Courtney at Libero.....is a liability. Actual question... are there other big moments that Courtney has choked in? Or is the entirety of that opinion based on one match? She was a mess during the IOQT. Granted the level of competition wasn't as stiff for the USA in Pool C for that tournament and they still got their Olympic bid but she didn't play that great. China in the World Cup was the only Elite Olympic level opponent the USA faced the entire season in 2019. Every other team we faced in every other tournament was missing key players or was developing new talent. That was USA's big test and they failed. There were pockets of brilliance in there and I think the recipe of players is there now that Thompson is going pro and Foluke and Adams are training domestically and getting back into form. I am just ready to see the USA get back to playing clean and clinical volleyball. I feel like this quad has been quite the mess.
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Post by werka on Jan 4, 2020 3:35:09 GMT -5
Not a fan of Hancock’s setting. Ummmm have you been watching her in Italy this season? She has impressed me. Watched her at Club worlds. Not impressed.
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Post by matte on Jan 4, 2020 9:54:29 GMT -5
Hill and Lowe choked also at the final of the last Norceca Championship, IMO they showed several times that are far from being reliable players
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Jan 4, 2020 10:45:14 GMT -5
I don't think it's possible to literally rewatch something. Since "rewatch" isn't a real word, however, I may be wrong. I answered "other" because I think the best VNL choices would be the players who are playing the best and contributing the most to the team. I realize that's a minority opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 11:45:43 GMT -5
JWO would be the service target. Even if Courtney or Lake were in her place...everyone knows not to serve Robinson or Larson. Also everyone knows our Libero is our weakness. According to VolleyMetrics, Courtney was Team USA's best passer at the World Cup. She definitely had a bad match against China, but against the other teams that finished in the Top 5 (Brazil and Japan -- she didn't play against Russia) she was over 80% positive without getting aced once. 80% positive? What were her actual grades in those games?
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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 4, 2020 11:54:43 GMT -5
I don't think it's possible to literally rewatch something. Since "rewatch" isn't a real word, however, I may be wrong. I answered "other" because I think the best VNL choices would be the players who are playing the best and contributing the most to the team. I realize that's a minority opinion. I happen to like minority opinions. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 4, 2020 15:11:05 GMT -5
Let's keep this thread on the topic of the upcoming VNL. I'm happy to continue discussing the 2019 season as that will directly impact the 2020 one....let's just try to refrain from Olympic talk on her. There is another thread for that I believe.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 4, 2020 15:43:32 GMT -5
Such a fan of Hancock. I truly hope she is chosen as the second setter for Tokyo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 16:44:19 GMT -5
USA didn’t play its best 7 that match. I don’t even think Karch knows his best 7. That's the cool thing...there isn't a whole lot separating the top three in each position except for Libero....we really do have a Libero problem. Easily the most precarious position going into the OG. One combo I would like to see (assuming everyone is playing at their highest level) Carlini, JWO, Thompson, Ogbogu, Akinradewo, Larson and Robinson. JWO would be the service target. Even if Courtney or Lake were in her place...everyone knows not to serve Robinson or Larson. Also everyone knows our Libero is our weakness. Thompson, Larson and Robinson will carry most of the offensive load as Carlini won't run the middle in front a ton (not her forte) but will run the slide/back 10/pipe/bic which is one of her strengths she brings to the team. If the pins are struggling then we will see Poulter. At that point we can expect much more offense through the middle especially in system. I like what I saw from Poulter at the World Cup. She made some significant improvements on all setting locations except to the right side. Her sets were too low most of the time. I hope we see Foluke return to her Rio offensive form. I fear no one can set her like Glass could. Their connection was otherworldly. The sets were fast AND high where she was hitting over pretty much every block. What is your ideal line-up? I like yours. But, I would probably try to see if you can get MBH or Hill in there for Larson. Not sure how passing will hold up, but if it does I like what those 2 give you over Larson. I like both better as hitters. But, it will probably prove to be hard to keep Larson out of the lineup for everything she does.
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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 4, 2020 20:35:06 GMT -5
That's the cool thing...there isn't a whole lot separating the top three in each position except for Libero....we really do have a Libero problem. Easily the most precarious position going into the OG. One combo I would like to see (assuming everyone is playing at their highest level) Carlini, JWO, Thompson, Ogbogu, Akinradewo, Larson and Robinson. JWO would be the service target. Even if Courtney or Lake were in her place...everyone knows not to serve Robinson or Larson. Also everyone knows our Libero is our weakness. Thompson, Larson and Robinson will carry most of the offensive load as Carlini won't run the middle in front a ton (not her forte) but will run the slide/back 10/pipe/bic which is one of her strengths she brings to the team. If the pins are struggling then we will see Poulter. At that point we can expect much more offense through the middle especially in system. I like what I saw from Poulter at the World Cup. She made some significant improvements on all setting locations except to the right side. Her sets were too low most of the time. I hope we see Foluke return to her Rio offensive form. I fear no one can set her like Glass could. Their connection was otherworldly. The sets were fast AND high where she was hitting over pretty much every block. What is your ideal line-up? I like yours. But, I would probably try to see if you can get MBH or Hill in there for Larson. Not sure how passing will hold up, but if it does I like what those 2 give you over Larson. I like both better as hitters. But, it will probably prove to be hard to keep Larson out of the lineup for everything she does. She just brings so much energy to the court and if she plays the way she has been in the Chinese League this year....she will not lose her spot on court. I think we will see a healthy rotation of Robinson, MBH and Hill in the starting line-up but everyone of them will be paired with Larson. Now in the VNL....it's always a shuffle so as to keep everyone fresh. Karch won't want to exhaust everyone by making them play all the time. Come the finals I expect to see the following roster: S: Carlini*, Poulter OH: Robinson*, Larson*, MBH, Hill MB: Ogbogu*, Akinradewo*, Dixon, Washington OPP: Thompson*, Drews L: JWO*, Courtney * = Starters
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