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Post by bmg3 on Mar 20, 2021 21:34:13 GMT -5
Arky sweeps Carolina!! My predictions should hold: Head, Ryan and Gillen all SEC. Head FOY Watson COY if they give it to the biggest leap from preseason poll and honestly he deserves it - he did so much with this young team it’s so impressive. If this was any other year there would be a tournament team but not sure about this year. I am all for Watson for coy. but I was also all for Rackham for COY in 2018 where she did the same thing and got the vols into the tournament for the first time in 5(?) years and it went to Wise(?) or Skinner(?)... So who knows Yeah that's kinda annoying. They did do a wondrous thing that year and she was deserving. |
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Post by bmg3 on Mar 20, 2021 21:41:10 GMT -5
Arky sweeps Carolina!! My predictions should hold: Head, Ryan and Gillen all SEC. Head FOY Watson COY if they give it to the biggest leap from preseason poll and honestly he deserves it - he did so much with this young team it’s so impressive. If this was any other year there would be a tournament team but not sure about this year. Madi Skinner might have something to say about FOY. Well - nothing against her - she is amazing and can totally see her potential and is on the top team and is surrounded by top ten recruits just like her. Head is a 6-rotation player who carries a huge offensive AND defensive load. She successfully takes a huge amount of serves and is top ten in the league in digs/set. Madison skinner has a fraction of the kills and a lower kill/set and doesn't have nearly the load Head does. If they go by team of the year then of course, Madison will win but Head totally does more than any freshman in the SEC and does it well. |
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Post by volleav on Mar 20, 2021 22:02:11 GMT -5
Tennessee in 4 over Bama. Split the weekend
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Mar 20, 2021 22:03:12 GMT -5
No disrespect to head but I would like to see someone hitting over .200 get the award
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Post by vbshrink on Mar 20, 2021 22:26:09 GMT -5
No disrespect to head but I would like to see someone hitting over .200 get the award Well, after hitting over .300 in both matches this weekend, I think she has a chance to achieve your somewhat arbitrary (but not ridiculous) standard. Per the most recent updated stats page: Kills Head: 235 Skinner: 91 Kills/Set Head: 2.94 Skinner: 2.46 Hitting PCT Head: .196 Skinner: .365 (wow) Sets played: Head: 80 Skinner: 37 Service Aces: Head: 12 Skinner: 0 Blocks/Set Head: .31 Skinner: .73 Digs/Set Head: 3.10 Skinner: .27 If your only criterion is hitting percentage, Skinner wins hands down. If you look at the contribution to the team and overall package (and look at how Arkansas benefitted from having her this year), I would vote for Head. Skinner has much bigger upside (she’s really impressive, imo), but Head had a better overall performance for the season. And she was a MUCH bigger force for her team. Just a homer’s $.02. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 22:27:56 GMT -5
No disrespect to head but I would like to see someone hitting over .200 get the award Well, after hitting over .300 in both matches this weekend, I think she has a chance to achieve your somewhat arbitrary (but not ridiculous) standard. Per the most recent updated stats page: Kills Head: 235 Skinner: 91 Kills/Set Head: 2.94 Skinner: 2.46 Hitting PCT Head: .196 Skinner: .365 (wow) Sets played: Head: 80 Skinner: 37 Service Aces: Head: 12 Skinner: 0 Blocks/Set Head: .31 Skinner: .73 Digs/Set Head: 3.10 Skinner: .27 If your only criterion is hitting percentage, Skinner wins hands down. If you look at the contribution to the team and overall package (and look at how Arkansas benefitted from having her this year), I would vote for Head. Skinner has much bigger upside (she’s really impressive, imo), but Head had a better overall performance for the season. And she was a MUCH bigger force for her team. Just a homer’s $.02. as a huge UK fan I agree Head is more deserving. She is shouldering a huge load that Skinner just doesn’t have to. Skinner also has elite passing and an elite setter to give her in system looks which is partly why she has an insane HP |
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Post by vbshrink on Mar 20, 2021 22:29:49 GMT -5
Well, after hitting over .300 in both matches this weekend, I think she has a chance to achieve your somewhat arbitrary (but not ridiculous) standard. Per the most recent updated stats page: Kills Head: 235 Skinner: 91 Kills/Set Head: 2.94 Skinner: 2.46 Hitting PCT Head: .196 Skinner: .365 (wow) Sets played: Head: 80 Skinner: 37 Service Aces: Head: 12 Skinner: 0 Blocks/Set Head: .31 Skinner: .73 Digs/Set Head: 3.10 Skinner: .27 If your only criterion is hitting percentage, Skinner wins hands down. If you look at the contribution to the team and overall package (and look at how Arkansas benefitted from having her this year), I would vote for Head. Skinner has much bigger upside (she’s really impressive, imo), but Head had a better overall performance for the season. And she was a MUCH bigger force for her team. Just a homer’s $.02. as a huge UK fan I agree Head is more deserving. She is shouldering a huge load that Skinner just doesn’t have to. Skinner also has elite passing and an elite setter to give her in system looks which is partly why she has an insane HP The other part is that she jumps through the roof and has a killer arm swing! ;-) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 22:30:29 GMT -5
as a huge UK fan I agree Head is more deserving. She is shouldering a huge load that Skinner just doesn’t have to. Skinner also has elite passing and an elite setter to give her in system looks which is partly why she has an insane HP The other part is that she jumps through the roof and has a killer arm swing! ;-) yep! Haha |
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Post by vbshrink on Mar 20, 2021 22:35:02 GMT -5
I didn’t comment on the COY thing. I am absolutely impressed by what Jason has done with this team — from 9th (I think?) preseason to 4th. With pretty much the same team (adding Head) and 3/4 pin players 5’10” or shorter. The team played pretty consistent and generally high quality volleyball all season, and they improved as the season went on. Rackham deserved it, and I think Watson does, too. But .....
There seems to be an entrenched tradition to give the COY award to the conference winner, so I think that it will be Skinner. And honestly, he’s done a great coaching job this year, too. Putting Tealer in the middle, winning consistently with the MB position on the roster being what it is, not really missing a step after losing Edmond ... it’s an impressive coaching job.
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Post by bmg3 on Mar 20, 2021 23:14:06 GMT -5
I didn’t comment on the COY thing. I am absolutely impressed by what Jason has done with this team — from 9th (I think?) preseason to 4th. With pretty much the same team (adding Head) and 3/4 pin players 5’10” or shorter. The team played pretty consistent and generally high quality volleyball all season, and they improved as the season went on. Rackham deserved it, and I think Watson does, too. But ..... There seems to be an entrenched tradition to give the COY award to the conference winner, so I think that it will be Skinner. And honestly, he’s done a great coaching job this year, too. Putting Tealer in the middle, winning consistently with the MB position on the roster being what it is, not really missing a step after losing Edmond ... it’s an impressive coaching job. Yeah - Skinner has done awesome with his program and is a huge reason why the SEC is getting stronger. Never even thought about the fact that they are doing just as, if not better, without Edmond - that’s not small feat. Hope that they all can continue their success and make the SEC even better. |
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 20, 2021 23:17:06 GMT -5
I didn’t comment on the COY thing. I am absolutely impressed by what Jason has done with this team — from 9th (I think?) preseason to 4th. With pretty much the same team (adding Head) and 3/4 pin players 5’10” or shorter. The team played pretty consistent and generally high quality volleyball all season, and they improved as the season went on. Rackham deserved it, and I think Watson does, too. But ..... There seems to be an entrenched tradition to give the COY award to the conference winner, so I think that it will be Skinner. And honestly, he’s done a great coaching job this year, too. Putting Tealer in the middle, winning consistently with the MB position on the roster being what it is, not really missing a step after losing Edmond ... it’s an impressive coaching job. That's interesting. In other conferences (and honestly, in most sports), the COY usually goes to the coach whose team most exceeded expectations. I'm not saying one is necessarily better than the other, but I find it interesting that the SEC apparently awards it to the conference winner on a routine basis. |
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Post by trojansc on Mar 20, 2021 23:33:22 GMT -5
Mizzou is 13-7 with 2x wins over Arkansas, and has Miss. St. remaining. Even a split, how can they be below Arky in at-large selection eyes? Arkansas is 14-8. Even if Mizzou loses twice to Miss St., I still don't see how you can justify their bid? It would be the fact they were 3rd in SEC overall. I would still opt for the #4 team that beat them twice H2H.
The interesting case is still Tennessee, even considering a loss to Alabama. IF Tennessee beats LSU twice, I think the conference should make A&M and Tennessee make-up their series. Let's say Tennessee wins all those - they would be 14-8. I would take a 14-8 Tennessee team as the #3 SEC at that point. They went 3-1 vs. Arkansas and Mizzou - including winning TWICE vs. Missouri.
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Post by bmg3 on Mar 20, 2021 23:42:04 GMT -5
Mizzou is 13-7 with 2x wins over Arkansas, and has Miss. St. remaining. Even a split, how can they be below Arky in at-large selection eyes? Arkansas is 14-8. Even if Mizzou loses twice to Miss St., I still don't see how you can justify their bid? It would be the fact they were 3rd in SEC overall. I would still opt for the #4 team that beat them twice H2H. The interesting case is still Tennessee, even considering a loss to Alabama. IF Tennessee beats LSU twice, I think the conference should make A&M and Tennessee make-up their series. Let's say Tennessee wins all those - they would be 14-8. I would take a 14-8 Tennessee team as the #3 SEC at that point. They went 3-1 vs. Arkansas and Mizzou - including winning TWICE at Missouri. They are definitely close. Arkansas lost to the top teams Kentucky Florida and mizzou and split with LSU and Tennessee. Tennessee has the double W at mizzou but losses to Carolina and Alabama. Man this is splitting hairs! |
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Post by trojansc on Mar 20, 2021 23:54:56 GMT -5
Mizzou is 13-7 with 2x wins over Arkansas, and has Miss. St. remaining. Even a split, how can they be below Arky in at-large selection eyes? Arkansas is 14-8. Even if Mizzou loses twice to Miss St., I still don't see how you can justify their bid? It would be the fact they were 3rd in SEC overall. I would still opt for the #4 team that beat them twice H2H. The interesting case is still Tennessee, even considering a loss to Alabama. IF Tennessee beats LSU twice, I think the conference should make A&M and Tennessee make-up their series. Let's say Tennessee wins all those - they would be 14-8. I would take a 14-8 Tennessee team as the #3 SEC at that point. They went 3-1 vs. Arkansas and Mizzou - including winning TWICE at Missouri. They are definitely close. Arkansas lost to the top teams Kentucky Florida and mizzou and split with LSU and Tennessee. Tennessee has the double W at mizzou but losses to Carolina and Alabama. Man this is splitting hairs! Another perspective is to leave Missouri out and only take Florida and Kentucky to the NCAA Tournament. I don't think they would be wrong for that. Missouri didn't beat UF/UK and lost three 'other' matches. The SEC got 5 at-larges though last year, so 2-3 seems like that would be reasonable. The easiest answer will probably be to take Florida and Mizzou as the at-larges. But I wouldn't be shocked to see just 1 at-large, and I also wouldn't be shocked to see 3 adding Mizzou and either Arkansas or Tennessee(if they do win-out) sneak in there. |
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Post by vbshrink on Mar 20, 2021 23:55:35 GMT -5
Did I miss someone arguing for including Arkansas in the tournament? I would give them the nod over Tennessee — Mizzou’s roster was a mess the TN weekend — but it’s certainly arguable. But neither of them is better than Mizzou at full strength. It’s Kentucky and Florida for sure, probably Mizzou (unless they lose to Mississippi State, which I don’t see happening), and then ... no one. I don’t think the SEC get’s an 8 loss team an at-large bid. (Plus, I don’t think either TN or Ark really deserves a bid based on overall quality of play).
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