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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 20:39:58 GMT -5
I’m not sure if this has been answered yet but won’t Atherton have to sit out for a year since this is her third transfer? Grad transfer, so no. |
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Post by JT on May 14, 2020 21:03:29 GMT -5
I always prefer a 5-1. But I also want to see Miyabe play. The biggest issue with a 6-2 is Samedy doesn't play the backrow -- unless the setters come in for the middles or OHs -- and DSs don't see the court much. The whole thing is way above my pay grade. Which is $0. So, one possibilty: They run a 6-2 with the setters subbing for the middles, CC plays libero for the OHs, and a DS is used for Miyabe. Does that give them the ball control they would need? Wouldn't that mean Samedy has to pass? Certainly means they need front row OHs to pass competently. My favorite is a “true” 6-2 like we ran in 2004 with KBow and Bug. Next favorite is a 5-1. Least is a 6-2 with setters and hitters subbing... it only works because the number of points was dropped to 25, and the number of subs increased to 15. I haven’t really thought of the different places you could sub in setters... I’d only thought of it as a “S” / “Opp” thing. One-lane tunnel vision on my part. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 21:06:27 GMT -5
I always prefer a 5-1. But I also want to see Miyabe play. The biggest issue with a 6-2 is Samedy doesn't play the backrow -- unless the setters come in for the middles or OHs -- and DSs don't see the court much. The whole thing is way above my pay grade. Which is $0. So, one possibilty: They run a 6-2 with the setters subbing for the middles, CC plays libero for the OHs, and a DS is used for Miyabe. Does that give them the ball control they would need? Wouldn't that mean Samedy has to pass? Certainly means they need front row OHs to pass competently. My favorite is a “true” 6-2 like we ran in 2004 with KBow and Bug. Next favorite is a 5-1. Least is a 6-2 with setters and hitters subbing... it only works because the number of points was dropped to 25, and the number of subs increased to 15. I haven’t really thought of the different places you could sub in setters... I’d only thought of it as a “S” / “Opp” thing. One-lane tunnel vision on my part. Paula replaced the OHs in that 6-2, with Marci and Rhino DSing for the middles. Or was it the other way around? I don't think so, but I can't trust my memory these days. |
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Post by JT on May 14, 2020 21:37:46 GMT -5
My favorite is a “true” 6-2 like we ran in 2004 with KBow and Bug. Next favorite is a 5-1. Least is a 6-2 with setters and hitters subbing... it only works because the number of points was dropped to 25, and the number of subs increased to 15. I haven’t really thought of the different places you could sub in setters... I’d only thought of it as a “S” / “Opp” thing. One-lane tunnel vision on my part. Paula replaced the OHs in that 6-2, with Marci and Rhino DSing for the middles. Or was it the other way around? I don't think so, but I can't trust my memory these days. Paula replaced the middles, which is why you could have Nellie and Byrnes chest-bump on half of their replacements (when Paula went back to serve). Rhino subbed with Tree, and was the DS that stayed in (along with Marty) when we ran out of subs. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 21:40:44 GMT -5
Makes sense. It's all conflated in my mind, because Paula played LB, not MB.
And I'm pretty sure you and I have had this discussion before and you reminded me then, too. C'est la vie.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 22:22:33 GMT -5
Wow Minnesota should be very good this year. That middle duo and a revamp of the pins. Wow if shaffmaster turns out good than this has to be the CLEAR fave for the NC.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 22:44:24 GMT -5
Wow Minnesota should be very good this year. That middle duo and a revamp of the pins. Wow if shaffmaster turns out good than this has to be the CLEAR fave for the NC. Compare them position for position with Wisconsin for me. Curious how you see it. |
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Post by lovebugsm on May 14, 2020 22:49:13 GMT -5
And read mine. They were still a top 4 Team with those passing statistics. They have a DS and a well rounded outside in Wenaas coming in. Maybe they are even better passers. I would put say a team with Shaffmaster/ Atherton (whoever doesn’t start) Wenaas (yes I do think she could be in the starting 6) Sheehan Miaybe Rubright Husemann Appiani Could be a top 25 team. Yes I changed it to top 25 because you had to over analyze a statement that was supposed to just represent they now have depth at all positions. My point I guess was that any of the listed girls would start for many top 15 teams. But thanks for your very in depth passing stats. My only point of contention is that a Final 4 team is not necessarily a Top 4 team. You can be one without Yeah they probably were not even a top 15 team in 2019. 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 22:51:26 GMT -5
Wow Minnesota should be very good this year. That middle duo and a revamp of the pins. Wow if shaffmaster turns out good than this has to be the CLEAR fave for the NC. Compare them position for position with Wisconsin for me. Curious how you see it. alright bet. However this is my opinion and I swear to god I better not get attacked 😂😂 Left Sides. This is the hardest to compare because Minnys 2 OH have the potential to be better than Wisky but Wisconsin has 2 proven OH at the big ten level. I’m gonna go with Minnesota though because I think they have a much higher ceiling at this position. Setter Wisconsin Middles. Closer than setter but rettke is rettke so Wisconsin. Though Meyers is better than hart imo and was a great pick up. I think the disparity in rettke and Pittman is just greater. (Yes I know Pittman does things like set and dig but we are just talking about being a middle) Oppo Minnesota easily. Regardless of who ends up here for them. Libero Wisconsin |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 23:30:34 GMT -5
Compare them position for position with Wisconsin for me. Curious how you see it. alright bet. However this is my opinion and I swear to god I better not get attacked 😂😂 Left Sides. This is the hardest to compare because Minnys 2 OH have the potential to be better than Wisky but Wisconsin has 2 proven OH at the big ten level. I’m gonna go with Minnesota though because I think they have a much higher ceiling at this position. Setter Wisconsin Middles. Closer than setter but rettke is rettke so Wisconsin. Though Meyers is better than hart imo and was a great pick up. I think the disparity in rettke and Pittman is just greater. (Yes I know Pittman does things like set and dig but we are just talking about being a middle) Oppo Minnesota easily. Regardless of who ends up here for them. Libero Wisconsin Haha, I'm gonna attack you. So that's middles, setter and libero to Wisconsin and opposite and outsides for Minnesota... So how are the Gophers the "CLEAR" favorites for the NC? Again, just trying to understand. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 23:32:00 GMT -5
alright bet. However this is my opinion and I swear to god I better not get attacked 😂😂 Left Sides. This is the hardest to compare because Minnys 2 OH have the potential to be better than Wisky but Wisconsin has 2 proven OH at the big ten level. I’m gonna go with Minnesota though because I think they have a much higher ceiling at this position. Setter Wisconsin Middles. Closer than setter but rettke is rettke so Wisconsin. Though Meyers is better than hart imo and was a great pick up. I think the disparity in rettke and Pittman is just greater. (Yes I know Pittman does things like set and dig but we are just talking about being a middle) Oppo Minnesota easily. Regardless of who ends up here for them. Libero Wisconsin Haha, I'm gonna attack you. So that's middles, setter and libero to Wisconsin and opposite and outsides for Minnesota... So how are the Gophers the "CLEAR" favorites for the NC? Again, just trying to understand. I think that Minnesota will have the better overall offense if shaffmaster settles in nicely. Also more options. Maybe I should rethink libero though seeing as when they were on the same team CC started over Barnes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 23:40:43 GMT -5
Haha, I'm gonna attack you. So that's middles, setter and libero to Wisconsin and opposite and outsides for Minnesota... So how are the Gophers the "CLEAR" favorites for the NC? Again, just trying to understand. I think that Minnesota will have the better overall offense if shaffmaster settles in nicely. Also more options. If Shaffmaster, the passing and the freshman OHs all play well, UMN might be the best team in the nation. But I definitely don't think I'd call any team with that many question marks the 'clear' favorites. As you suggested in your write up, Wisconsin is probably a safer bet.l right now based on their experience and what they did in 2019. One more thought; this Minnesota isn't going to peak in 2020. The Badgers definitely are. UMN certainly could win the NC, but I don't see a single "clear" favorite in the field. Also, Devyn Robinson. She's going to be a special player. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 23:43:05 GMT -5
Haha, I'm gonna attack you. So that's middles, setter and libero to Wisconsin and opposite and outsides for Minnesota... So how are the Gophers the "CLEAR" favorites for the NC? Again, just trying to understand. I think that Minnesota will have the better overall offense if shaffmaster settles in nicely. Also more options. Maybe I should rethink libero though seeing as when they were on the same team CC started over Barnes. Both are better defenders than passers. If either of them can be just "good" in terms of ball control, it'll be huge for that team. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 23:55:32 GMT -5
I think that Minnesota will have the better overall offense if shaffmaster settles in nicely. Also more options. If Shaffmaster, the passing and the freshman OHs all play well, UMN might be the best team in the nation. But I definitely don't think I'd call any team with that many question marks the 'clear' favorites. As you suggested in your write up, Wisconsin is probably a safer bet.l right now based on their experience and what they did in 2019. One more thought; this Minnesota isn't going to peak in 2020. The Badgers definitely are. UMN certainly could win the NC, but I don't see a single "clear" favorite in the field. Also, Devyn Robinson. She's going to be a special player. I still think I would take Minnesota. The upside for their pins and setter is just too high. The depth is also incredible. That analysis I gave you is for the start of the season. If sammedy comes back to her normal self and shaffmaster connects with everyone. This is one of the best offenses I’ve ever seen. (On paper of course) |
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Post by stanfordvb on May 15, 2020 1:41:44 GMT -5
We can talk abt MN and wisco but Texas could be argued as the top choice for next year as well. Eggleston keeps getting better and she may be the best OH in the country next year. Butler is a beast. The addition of Parra could mean bad news for everyone else, she’s a proven player at the highest level. If Iosia is as promised that will be huge too. The potential addition of Parra and Iosia’s serves on top of egglestons, that some pretty tough serving if u ask me. If cabello can come in and do a good job I’d say Texas has should 100% be in this conversation too.
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