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Post by jwvolley on May 15, 2020 4:42:08 GMT -5
We can talk abt MN and wisco but Texas could be argued as the top choice for next year as well. Eggleston keeps getting better and she may be the best OH in the country next year. I expect Mac May will have something to say about that |
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Post by huskerrob on May 15, 2020 6:55:24 GMT -5
We can talk abt MN and wisco but Texas could be argued as the top choice for next year as well. Eggleston keeps getting better and she may be the best OH in the country next year. Butler is a beast. The addition of Parra could mean bad news for everyone else, she’s a proven player at the highest level. If Iosia is as promised that will be huge too. The potential addition of Parra and Iosia’s serves on top of egglestons, that some pretty tough serving if u ask me. If cabello can come in and do a good job I’d say Texas has should 100% be in this conversation too. the fact that Texas will play Big12 schedule suggests Texas will most certainly be in the conversation. Will they flop in Tourni again, will be another conversation. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 7:41:34 GMT -5
We can talk abt MN and wisco but Texas could be argued as the top choice for next year as well. Eggleston keeps getting better and she may be the best OH in the country next year. I expect Mac May will have something to say about that also the reigning national player of the year is still very much here next year, People have kind of stopped talking about her since the season ends and are forgetting about her. I don’t get it |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 9:12:37 GMT -5
The most likely scenario would be that Hunter and Mel share the setting spot, Mel front and Hunter back. Just wish there were a lineup that used Miyabe more and that one does not. Although it does allow for Bailey to sub for Steph and Miyabe for Shaffmaster situationally.
Lot of subs if they are also DSing for an OH.
No, I know nothing about scrimmages. Just saying I would love to watch some.
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 15, 2020 9:15:08 GMT -5
alright bet. However this is my opinion and I swear to god I better not get attacked 😂😂 Left Sides. This is the hardest to compare because Minnys 2 OH have the potential to be better than Wisky but Wisconsin has 2 proven OH at the big ten level. I’m gonna go with Minnesota though because I think they have a much higher ceiling at this position. Setter Wisconsin Middles. Closer than setter but rettke is rettke so Wisconsin. Though Meyers is better than hart imo and was a great pick up. I think the disparity in rettke and Pittman is just greater. (Yes I know Pittman does things like set and dig but we are just talking about being a middle) Oppo Minnesota easily. Regardless of who ends up here for them. Libero Wisconsin Haha, I'm gonna attack you. So that's middles, setter and libero to Wisconsin and opposite and outsides for Minnesota... So how are the Gophers the "CLEAR" favorites for the NC? Again, just trying to understand. To be fair, without even knowing the players, if you’re asking me who I want to ride with in a NC champ match - the team with the better S/L/MB’s or the team with the better pins - I’m picking the pins every time and riding their arms to the ‘ship. |
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Post by Kingsley on May 15, 2020 9:24:41 GMT -5
Haha, I'm gonna attack you. So that's middles, setter and libero to Wisconsin and opposite and outsides for Minnesota... So how are the Gophers the "CLEAR" favorites for the NC? Again, just trying to understand. To be fair, without even knowing the players, if you’re asking me who I want to ride with in a NC champ match - the team with the better S/L/MB’s or the team with the better pins - I’m picking the pins every time and riding their arms to the ‘ship. This principle works almost every time, but I'm forced to think harder if you told me that one of the middles is Dana Rettke. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 9:24:55 GMT -5
Haha, I'm gonna attack you. So that's middles, setter and libero to Wisconsin and opposite and outsides for Minnesota... So how are the Gophers the "CLEAR" favorites for the NC? Again, just trying to understand. To be fair, without even knowing the players, if you’re asking me who I want to ride with in a NC champ match - the team with the better S/L/MB’s or the team with the better pins - I’m picking the pins every time and riding their arms to the ‘ship. especially considering the other 3 positions aren’t like light years behind. |
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 15, 2020 9:34:01 GMT -5
Minnesota next season probably has a similar trajectory to a 2019 Baylor, but with FAR stronger OH2, OPP, & S capacities.
That Wisconsin/Baylor Final 4 matchup was realistically probably a toss-up that Wisconsin showed up better for. MN has the personnel to make it much more difficult for them.
Personally, I think Minnesota is going to be the most exciting 2020 team to watch develop.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 10:23:49 GMT -5
Minnesota next season probably has a similar trajectory to a 2019 Baylor, but with FAR stronger OH2, OPP, & S capacities. That Wisconsin/Baylor Final 4 matchup was realistically probably a toss-up that Wisconsin showed up better for. MN has the personnel to make it much more difficult for them. Personally, I think Minnesota is going to be the most exciting 2020 team to watch develop. All a matter of how quickly that happens. They certainly could be the last one standing. I'd put 2021-2023 as the more likely seasons for that to happen. Of the top contenders of Stanford, Texas, Baylor, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Minnesota and PSU (Throw Utah, UCLA, Kentucky or Florida in if you please) I still think Minnesota was the one hardest hit by not having a spring and summer. If they get to where they can get, it probably happens later. As a result, they probably won't host a regional (B1G schedule imbalance pending) and will have a tougher row to hoe. If the freshman are as good as advertised, you'd probably hope for 2016 Stanford to be the model. As I have stated a number of times in various places, I will never bet on a team winning an NC that has a true freshman setter. I know it has happened (Gray, '16. Others?), but those seem the exception rather than the rule. And, they usually don't kick it into high gear until midseason or later. Hames played for a title in '18, but had the benefit of Foecke and great passing. Carlini did in '13, but was a bit more polished and a better prospect coming in. Can't think of others offhand. |
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Post by Kingsley on May 15, 2020 10:29:26 GMT -5
Minnesota next season probably has a similar trajectory to a 2019 Baylor, but with FAR stronger OH2, OPP, & S capacities. That Wisconsin/Baylor Final 4 matchup was realistically probably a toss-up that Wisconsin showed up better for. MN has the personnel to make it much more difficult for them. Personally, I think Minnesota is going to be the most exciting 2020 team to watch develop. As I have stated a number of times in various places, I will never bet on a team winning an NC that has a true freshman setter. I know it has happened (Gray, '16. Others?), but those seem the exception rather than the rule. And, they usually don't kick it into high gear until midseason or later. Hames played for a title in '18, but had the benefit of Foecke and great passing. Carlini did in '13, but was a bit more polished and a better prospect coming in. Can't think of others offhand. Bryn Kehoe, 2004. Had the benefit of Ogonna Nnamani and Ogonna Nnamani. Just Stanford things, I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 10:43:10 GMT -5
Haha, I'm gonna attack you. So that's middles, setter and libero to Wisconsin and opposite and outsides for Minnesota... So how are the Gophers the "CLEAR" favorites for the NC? Again, just trying to understand. To be fair, without even knowing the players, if you’re asking me who I want to ride with in a NC champ match - the team with the better S/L/MB’s or the team with the better pins - I’m picking the pins every time and riding their arms to the ‘ship. I mean, I'm with you in theory Hawk... And I'm not even saying UMN won't win the NC. So far I have only disputed that (1) there are two top 15 teams in the roster and (2) that they are the 'clear' favorites. But I will say that I'm not SURE Landfair and Weenas outplay Haggerty and Loberg this year. I think they might... But having never seen them at the D1 level, I don't think it's a given. And considering Rollins didn't hit well (31% termination) and passed badly (41% good pass percentage), I don't think she makes the case much stronger. To be clear, I'm not saying the Gophers aren't one of the favorites. But considering they might have as many as 5 new starters, I'm also not ready to say they're definitely better than the 2019 runners up who return all but two starters. |
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 15, 2020 10:58:22 GMT -5
To be fair, without even knowing the players, if you’re asking me who I want to ride with in a NC champ match - the team with the better S/L/MB’s or the team with the better pins - I’m picking the pins every time and riding their arms to the ‘ship. I mean, I'm with you in theory Hawk... And I'm not even saying UMN won't win the NC. So far I have only disputed that (1) there are two top 15 teams in the roster and (2) that they are the 'clear' favorites. But I will say that I'm not SURE Landfair and Weenas outplay Haggerty and Loberg this year. I think they might... But having never seen them at the D1 level, I don't think it's a given. And considering Rollins didn't hit well (31% termination) and passed badly (41% good pass percentage), I don't think she makes the case much stronger. To be clear, I'm not saying the Gophers aren't one of the favorites. But considering they might have as many as 5 new starters, I'm also not ready to say they're definitely better than the 2019 runners up who return all but two starters. Agreed. It’s really all dependent on how the MN pins develop throughout the season. If they’re near peak form then I’m picking MN. If not, I’d say WI had the clear upper hand. I love the possibilities! |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 11:02:54 GMT -5
I mean, I'm with you in theory Hawk... And I'm not even saying UMN won't win the NC. So far I have only disputed that (1) there are two top 15 teams in the roster and (2) that they are the 'clear' favorites. But I will say that I'm not SURE Landfair and Weenas outplay Haggerty and Loberg this year. I think they might... But having never seen them at the D1 level, I don't think it's a given. And considering Rollins didn't hit well (31% termination) and passed badly (41% good pass percentage), I don't think she makes the case much stronger. To be clear, I'm not saying the Gophers aren't one of the favorites. But considering they might have as many as 5 new starters, I'm also not ready to say they're definitely better than the 2019 runners up who return all but two starters. Agreed. It’s really all dependent on how the MN pins develop throughout the season. If they’re near peak form then I’m picking MN. If not, I’d say WI had the clear upper hand. I love the possibilities! Me too. I still think that this UMN roster will be better in 2021 than 2020. I think the same is true of 2020 PSU. But the Wisconsin and Nebraska rosters both peak this year. |
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Post by northwoods on May 15, 2020 11:20:42 GMT -5
I think MN is hurt the most by the loss of Spring semester and Summer training. All this time off campus hurts the transition of their young guns. That may hurt the chances for a BIG title, but assuming there is a complete season, I would bet on a deep tournament run.
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Post by volleyheels10 on May 15, 2020 11:26:52 GMT -5
Truly, I wish you good luck with Atherton. She has potential but she was not the most coachable at Nebraska or UNC....
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