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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 12:02:00 GMT -5
Only thing you can really say with a high degree of certainty about Wisconsin, Nebraska and Minnesota is that Wisconsin will have the best setter. Will be interesting to see which team can pass. Otherwise, I think the 5 hitters each can roll out onto the floor will probably be generally comparable.
I would expect Minnesota to take some time to come together. Losing most of the spring season and the entirety of the summer training period will probably hit Minnesota hardest of those 3 due to the freshman class, especially with a freshman setter. Under normal circumstances it is rare for a freshman setter to not have some struggles, or at least not play up to their potential as they learn on the fly. How long it takes them to get it all together will be their big question mark.
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 12, 2020 13:23:40 GMT -5
Only thing you can really say with a high degree of certainty about Wisconsin, Nebraska and Minnesota is that Wisconsin will have the best setter. Will be interesting to see which team can pass. Otherwise, I think the 5 hitters each can roll out onto the floor will probably be generally comparable. I would expect Minnesota to take some time to come together. Losing most of the spring season and the entirety of the summer training period will probably hit Minnesota hardest of those 3 due to the freshman class, especially with a freshman setter. Under normal circumstances it is rare for a freshman setter to not have some struggles, or at least not play up to their potential as they learn on the fly. How long it takes them to get it all together will be their big question mark. Agree 100%. Wisconsin setter was the difference maker in the conference last year imo.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 13:47:17 GMT -5
Only thing you can really say with a high degree of certainty about Wisconsin, Nebraska and Minnesota is that Wisconsin will have the best setter. Will be interesting to see which team can pass. Otherwise, I think the 5 hitters each can roll out onto the floor will probably be generally comparable. I would expect Minnesota to take some time to come together. Losing most of the spring season and the entirety of the summer training period will probably hit Minnesota hardest of those 3 due to the freshman class, especially with a freshman setter. Under normal circumstances it is rare for a freshman setter to not have some struggles, or at least not play up to their potential as they learn on the fly. How long it takes them to get it all together will be their big question mark. Agree 100%. Wisconsin setter was the difference maker in the conference last year imo. I agree with the sentiment but in the interests of accuracy; Clark + Dodge x Hilley were better than Knuckles + Kubik x Hames or Kilkelly + Rollins x Miller/McMenimen.
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 12, 2020 13:53:17 GMT -5
Only thing you can really say with a high degree of certainty about Wisconsin, Nebraska and Minnesota is that Wisconsin will have the best setter. +Rettke There’s no other middle in the conference(/country) like her. Rettke was 5th in K/S & 3rd on hitting percentage in B1G play. No other player cracked even the Top 20 in both categories, much less the Top 5. That’s not even accounting being 1st in B/S & 8th in SA/S. Saying there’s another middle in the B1G that’s comparable is laughable.
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Post by vbstan123 on May 12, 2020 14:09:38 GMT -5
Only thing you can really say with a high degree of certainty about Wisconsin, Nebraska and Minnesota is that Wisconsin will have the best setter. +Rettke There’s no other middle in the conference(/country) like her. Rettke was 5th in K/S & 3rd on hitting percentage in B1G play. No other player cracked even the Top 20 in both categories, much less the Top 5. That’s not even accounting being 1st in B/S & 8th in SA/S. Saying there’s another middle in the B1G that’s comparable is laughable. Gotta love Dana. I would also say that the middle tandems on the Big 4 (Wisconsin, Nebraska, Penn State, and Minnesota) are as competitive as iv seen in a while and 7/8 of them are First Team All-American capable.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 15:35:16 GMT -5
Only thing you can really say with a high degree of certainty about Wisconsin, Nebraska and Minnesota is that Wisconsin will have the best setter. +Rettke There’s no other middle in the conference(/country) like her. Rettke was 5th in K/S & 3rd on hitting percentage in B1G play. No other player cracked even the Top 20 in both categories, much less the Top 5. That’s not even accounting being 1st in B/S & 8th in SA/S. Saying there’s another middle in the B1G that’s comparable is laughable. True on Rettke. You could easily argue that if you're putting together a hypothetical team comprised of the best B1G players, Hilley & Rettke would be the first 2 draft picks. My comment just treated the hitter groups as a collective. Rettke is on another level, and maybe that is the difference. But, if Wisconsin's 5 are generally thought of as the best in the B1G, I don't think it's by a lot. But, throw Hilley in there with them and that tilts heavily in Wisconsin's favor. If they can pass.
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 12, 2020 15:40:17 GMT -5
Agree 100%. Wisconsin setter was the difference maker in the conference last year imo. I agree with the sentiment but in the interests of accuracy; Clark + Dodge x Hilley were better than Knuckles + Kubik x Hames or Kilkelly + Rollins x Miller/McMenimen. You’re not making the sentiment more accurate, your just adding components. UW’s lefts were also better than the other teams tandems........ Hilley relative to her counterparts was the largest divide in my opinion. I didn’t say she was the only reason.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 15:54:25 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment but in the interests of accuracy; Clark + Dodge x Hilley were better than Knuckles + Kubik x Hames or Kilkelly + Rollins x Miller/McMenimen. You’re not making the sentiment more accurate, your just adding components. UW’s lefts were also better than the other teams tandems........ Hilley relative to her counterparts was the largest divide in my opinion. I didn’t say she was the only reason. Then I guess we will agree to disagree. Minnesota passed 1.93. Nebraska passed 2.03. Wisconsin passed 2.17. That's a bigger difference than Hames to Miller to Hilley imo. But I'll understand if I'm the only one who thinks that.
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 12, 2020 16:01:23 GMT -5
The drop-off from Hilley to Hames is far higher than Wisconsin passing to Nebraska passing.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 16:04:18 GMT -5
The drop-off from Hilley to Hames is far higher than Wisconsin passing to Nebraska passing. Eh, not a hill I'm trying to die on. Miller is closer to Hilley than the Gophers SR was to Wisconsin's imo, but again, I'm not gonna try and change anyone's mind.
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Post by nothingbutcorn on May 12, 2020 16:08:15 GMT -5
Wisconsin's passing, and Hilley's setting played a major part in Wisconsin's run last year. Will MN, and NE both improve in those areas enough to challenge WI? Will WI continue with very little drop off? Only time will tell if the season is allowed to be played out this fall.
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 12, 2020 16:16:26 GMT -5
You’re not making the sentiment more accurate, your just adding components. UW’s lefts were also better than the other teams tandems........ Hilley relative to her counterparts was the largest divide in my opinion. I didn’t say she was the only reason. Then I guess we will agree to disagree. Minnesota passed 1.93. Nebraska passed 2.03. Wisconsin passed 2.17. That's a bigger difference than Hames to Miller to Hilley imo. But I'll understand if I'm the only one who thinks that. Death and taxes, you’ll never JUST agree, you’ll add A little something to suggest you’re just a little more enlightened, and you’ll work a passing statistic into a conversation about quasar’s. Given Miller missed so much, the gap in UW and Mn setting was enormous.
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Post by donut on May 12, 2020 16:18:54 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment but in the interests of accuracy; Clark + Dodge x Hilley were better than Knuckles + Kubik x Hames or Kilkelly + Rollins x Miller/McMenimen. You’re not making the sentiment more accurate, your just adding components. UW’s lefts were also better than the other teams tandems........ Hilley relative to her counterparts was the largest divide in my opinion. I didn’t say she was the only reason. Sun and Kubik hit .270 in B1G play with 6.64 kills/set, but that's misleading because Kubik wasn't playing front-row (most of the time) in the first 6-8 games of the B1G season. If you add in Capri, they hit .262 with 6.9 kills/set. If you only take into account the games where Kubik played front-row full time, Sun and Kubik hit .256 with 6.9 kills/set. Haggerty and Loberg hit .278 with 6.74 kills/set. Given passing (including passing formations/responsibilities) and setting, I would give the edge to Nebraska's lefts. And I know that's going to piss some people off.
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 12, 2020 16:44:35 GMT -5
You’re not making the sentiment more accurate, your just adding components. UW’s lefts were also better than the other teams tandems........ Hilley relative to her counterparts was the largest divide in my opinion. I didn’t say she was the only reason. Sun and Kubik hit .270 in B1G play with 6.64 kills/set, but that's misleading because Kubik wasn't playing front-row (most of the time) in the first 6-8 games of the B1G season. If you add in Capri, they hit .262 with 6.9 kills/set. If you only take into account the games where Kubik played front-row full time, Sun and Kubik hit .256 with 6.9 kills/set. Haggerty and Loberg hit .278 with 6.74 kills/set. Given passing (including passing formations/responsibilities) and setting, I would give the edge to Nebraska's lefts. And I know that's going to piss some people off. There head to head matches are what separated them, and without looking at stats of the two matches, their lefts seemed to really outplay Nebraska’s. I agree the gap if any wasn’t big. I still would have voted Hilley league MVP and I’m a big Dana fan.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 16:49:58 GMT -5
Then I guess we will agree to disagree. Minnesota passed 1.93. Nebraska passed 2.03. Wisconsin passed 2.17. That's a bigger difference than Hames to Miller to Hilley imo. But I'll understand if I'm the only one who thinks that. Death and taxes, you’ll never JUST agree, you’ll add A little something to suggest you’re just a little more enlightened, and you’ll work a passing statistic into a conversation about quasar’s. Given Miller missed so much, the gap in UW and Mn setting was enormous. I agree with lots of people. Even you sometimes. Just not on this; I didn't expect you to take it so personally. R u OK?
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