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Post by gibbyb1 on May 12, 2020 16:54:55 GMT -5
Death and taxes, you’ll never JUST agree, you’ll add A little something to suggest you’re just a little more enlightened, and you’ll work a passing statistic into a conversation about quasar’s. Given Miller missed so much, the gap in UW and Mn setting was enormous. I agree with lots of people. Even you sometimes. Just not on this; I didn't expect you to take it so personally. R u OK? More tongue and cheek, it’s all good.
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Post by donut on May 12, 2020 17:09:57 GMT -5
Sun and Kubik hit .270 in B1G play with 6.64 kills/set, but that's misleading because Kubik wasn't playing front-row (most of the time) in the first 6-8 games of the B1G season. If you add in Capri, they hit .262 with 6.9 kills/set. If you only take into account the games where Kubik played front-row full time, Sun and Kubik hit .256 with 6.9 kills/set. Haggerty and Loberg hit .278 with 6.74 kills/set. Given passing (including passing formations/responsibilities) and setting, I would give the edge to Nebraska's lefts. And I know that's going to piss some people off. There head to head matches are what separated them, and without looking at stats of the two matches, their lefts seemed to really outplay Nebraska’s. I agree the gap if any wasn’t big. I still would have voted Hilley league MVP and I’m a big Dana fan. Offensively, Nebraska's lefts outplayed Wisconsin's lefts in the first two match-ups. Wisconsin's lefts played better in the tournament match-up. Match 1:Wisconsin lefts: .300 hitting percentage at 7 kills/set Nebraska lefts: .305 hitting percentage at 8 kills/set**
** Capri played this game and hit .400, but not included.Match 2:Wisconsin lefts: .177 hitting percentage at 6.67 kills/set Nebraskas lefts: .233 hitting percentage at 7 kills/setMatch 3:Wisconsin lefts: .198 hitting percentage at 7.67 kills/setNebraska lefts: .027 hitting percentage at 6 kills/set
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 17:18:52 GMT -5
There head to head matches are what separated them, and without looking at stats of the two matches, their lefts seemed to really outplay Nebraska’s. I agree the gap if any wasn’t big. I still would have voted Hilley league MVP and I’m a big Dana fan. Offensively, Nebraska's lefts outplayed Wisconsin's lefts in the first two match-ups. Wisconsin's lefts played better in the tournament match-up. Match 1:Wisconsin lefts: .300 hitting percentage at 7 kills/set Nebraska lefts: .305 hitting percentage at 8 kills/setMatch 2:Wisconsin lefts: .177 hitting percentage at 6.67 kills/set Nebraskas lefts: .233 hitting percentage at 7 kills/setMatch 3:Wisconsin lefts: .198 hitting percentage at 7.67 kills/setNebraska lefts: .027 hitting percentage at 6 kills/set That tournament match leaves a lingering, and outsized, impression on viewers. That got ugly at times. A little surprised that Wisconsin's outsides struggled that much. I think Haggerty's performance in the tournament match provided quite the halo effect in terms of my impression of the performance of the outsides.
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Post by FreeBall on May 12, 2020 17:40:21 GMT -5
You’re not making the sentiment more accurate, your just adding components. UW’s lefts were also better than the other teams tandems........ Hilley relative to her counterparts was the largest divide in my opinion. I didn’t say she was the only reason. Sun and Kubik hit .270 in B1G play with 6.64 kills/set, but that's misleading because Kubik wasn't playing front-row (most of the time) in the first 6-8 games of the B1G season. If you add in Capri, they hit .262 with 6.9 kills/set. If you only take into account the games where Kubik played front-row full time, Sun and Kubik hit .256 with 6.9 kills/set. I think your assertion that "Kubik wasn't playing front row (most of the time)" is inaccurate. Davis only played in five of the first six Big Ten matches and averaged 8.5 total attacks per match. Meanwhile, Kubik averaged 21.5 total attacks in those matches and had more attacks than Davis in every match, usually by a pretty healthy margin. I don't think Kubik sometimes attacking from the back row was enough to create this obvious discrepancy.
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Post by donut on May 12, 2020 18:04:15 GMT -5
Sun and Kubik hit .270 in B1G play with 6.64 kills/set, but that's misleading because Kubik wasn't playing front-row (most of the time) in the first 6-8 games of the B1G season. If you add in Capri, they hit .262 with 6.9 kills/set. If you only take into account the games where Kubik played front-row full time, Sun and Kubik hit .256 with 6.9 kills/set. I think your assertion that "Kubik wasn't playing front row (most of the time)" is inaccurate. Davis only played in five of the first six Big Ten matches and averaged 8.5 total attacks per match. Meanwhile, Kubik averaged 21.5 total attacks in those matches and had more attacks than Davis in every match, usually by a pretty healthy margin. I don't think Kubik sometimes attacking from the back row was enough to create this obvious discrepancy. My point wasn't specifically about back row attacks (although that's part of it). I was trying to highlight that only looking at Sun and Kubik is going to give you an incomplete picture of LS attacks since Davis was taking swings towards the beginning of the season. But you're right (although technically she played in 6 of the first 7 B1G matches according to the NCAA stats website). I overstated the effect (and glanced at the numbers a bit too quickly), although the general point still stands.
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Post by FreeBall on May 12, 2020 18:17:28 GMT -5
I think your assertion that "Kubik wasn't playing front row (most of the time)" is inaccurate. Davis only played in five of the first six Big Ten matches and averaged 8.5 total attacks per match. Meanwhile, Kubik averaged 21.5 total attacks in those matches and had more attacks than Davis in every match, usually by a pretty healthy margin. I don't think Kubik sometimes attacking from the back row was enough to create this obvious discrepancy. My point wasn't specifically about back row attacks (although that's part of it). I was trying to highlight that only looking at Sun and Kubik is going to give you an incomplete picture of LS attacks since Davis was taking swings towards the beginning of the season. But you're right (although technically she played in 6 of the first 7 B1G matches according to the NCAA stats website). I overstated the effect (and glanced at the numbers a bit too quickly), although the general point still stands. My comment about back row attacks was just an acknowledgement of that being a factor in the 21.5/8.5 attacks per match discrepancy. According to huskers.com Davis only played in conference matches against Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Michigan. She missed the third conference match against Rutgers on October 2nd. She only had significant attack attempts in two of those matches: 24 vs. Illinois on September 27th and 15 vs. Michigan State on October 11th.
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 12, 2020 19:15:51 GMT -5
There head to head matches are what separated them, and without looking at stats of the two matches, their lefts seemed to really outplay Nebraska’s. I agree the gap if any wasn’t big. I still would have voted Hilley league MVP and I’m a big Dana fan. Offensively, Nebraska's lefts outplayed Wisconsin's lefts in the first two match-ups. Wisconsin's lefts played better in the tournament match-up. Match 1:Wisconsin lefts: .300 hitting percentage at 7 kills/set Nebraska lefts: .305 hitting percentage at 8 kills/set**
** Capri played this game and hit .400, but not included.Match 2:Wisconsin lefts: .177 hitting percentage at 6.67 kills/set Nebraskas lefts: .233 hitting percentage at 7 kills/setMatch 3:Wisconsin lefts: .198 hitting percentage at 7.67 kills/setNebraska lefts: .027 hitting percentage at 6 kills/set Interesting
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Post by northwoods on May 14, 2020 12:42:14 GMT -5
Offensively, Nebraska's lefts outplayed Wisconsin's lefts in the first two match-ups. Wisconsin's lefts played better in the tournament match-up. Match 1:Wisconsin lefts: .300 hitting percentage at 7 kills/set Nebraska lefts: .305 hitting percentage at 8 kills/set**
** Capri played this game and hit .400, but not included.Match 2:Wisconsin lefts: .177 hitting percentage at 6.67 kills/set Nebraskas lefts: .233 hitting percentage at 7 kills/setMatch 3:Wisconsin lefts: .198 hitting percentage at 7.67 kills/setNebraska lefts: .027 hitting percentage at 6 kills/set Interesting The Middles in 3 matches: Huskers- 25k 11e 68 att .205 Badgers- 49k 6e 102 att .412 Hart hit .500 on 34 att. While Callie hit .080 on 25 att.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 12:56:35 GMT -5
The Middles in 3 matches: Huskers- 25k 11e 68 att .205 Badgers- 49k 6e 102 att .412 Hart hit .500 on 34 att. While Callie hit .080 on 25 att. Thats the telling stat I think.
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Post by badgerbreath on May 14, 2020 16:06:51 GMT -5
There head to head matches are what separated them, and without looking at stats of the two matches, their lefts seemed to really outplay Nebraska’s. I agree the gap if any wasn’t big. I still would have voted Hilley league MVP and I’m a big Dana fan. Offensively, Nebraska's lefts outplayed Wisconsin's lefts in the first two match-ups. Wisconsin's lefts played better in the tournament match-up. Match 1:Wisconsin lefts: .300 hitting percentage at 7 kills/set Nebraska lefts: .305 hitting percentage at 8 kills/set**
** Capri played this game and hit .400, but not included.Match 2:Wisconsin lefts: .177 hitting percentage at 6.67 kills/set Nebraskas lefts: .233 hitting percentage at 7 kills/setMatch 3:Wisconsin lefts: .198 hitting percentage at 7.67 kills/setNebraska lefts: .027 hitting percentage at 6 kills/set As badger fan, I will take those comparisons gladly, all day long.
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Post by nothingbutcorn on May 14, 2020 16:15:24 GMT -5
Factor in lower passing numbers, lack of a middle threat at times (Stivrins cooled off quite a bit toward the end of the season), and untimely mistakes cost NE against WI. Cook and staff have worked hard to try and upgrade passing and a perhaps a bigger offensive threat at MB.
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 14, 2020 16:33:48 GMT -5
Factor in lower passing numbers, lack of a middle threat at times (Stivrins cooled off quite a bit toward the end of the season), and untimely mistakes cost NE against WI. Cook and staff have worked hard to try and upgrade passing and a perhaps a bigger offensive threat at MB. A lot of the games were pretty tight down the stretch and Wisconsin seemingly won all of the critical points, many of them on Nebraska errors. Wisconsin was just so much more stable. The significant advantage offensively was primarily due to the significant advantage in first and second touch.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 18:02:29 GMT -5
Factor in lower passing numbers, lack of a middle threat at times (Stivrins cooled off quite a bit toward the end of the season), and untimely mistakes cost NE against WI. Cook and staff have worked hard to try and upgrade passing and a perhaps a bigger offensive threat at MB. It's nothing that you don't know but in the 3 Wisconsin Nebraska matches the Badgers passed an aggregate 2.17. The Huskers passed a 1.95. That would be a big reason why UNL ran less middle attacks.
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Post by jwvolley on May 15, 2020 10:54:35 GMT -5
I still give Wiconsin and Nebraska the edge over Minnesota this year just due to experience.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 18:19:35 GMT -5
Factor in lower passing numbers, lack of a middle threat at times (Stivrins cooled off quite a bit toward the end of the season), and untimely mistakes cost NE against WI. Cook and staff have worked hard to try and upgrade passing and a perhaps a bigger offensive threat at MB. It's nothing that you don't know but in the 3 Wisconsin Nebraska matches the Badgers passed an aggregate 2.17. The Huskers passed a 1.95. That would be a big reason why UNL ran less middle attacks. That, and Hilley can set the slide on medium passes with good consistency and location (Hames can't) and Nebraska has a middle that they don't want to set (Wisconsin doesn't).
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