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Post by newbeach on Jan 10, 2020 22:51:42 GMT -5
I think it is a combination of things: Coaching staff a little inexperienced. Not that they are doing terrible, but I do feel they lack experience, and I question some of the decision-making during games. Black's commitment to Georgia may have hurt this team in an Olympic qualifying year. He missed the Pan Am Games, and Canada sent mainly a Next Gen team to the Pan Am Games partly as a result of Black's commitment to NCAA. I would have preferred to send Maglio, Van Ryk, King etc. to these games for more experience. This is Maglio's second year of international experience (she has never played youth teams etc. internationally). Van Ryk has had a little international experience in the junior ranks, but only her second year at the senior-level. King has only had this past summer for international experience. These players play a key role, and I don't feel they got as much development as they could have this past summer. I don't get developing the Next Gen players when some of your A-team still need international experience. As well, as a result of Black's NCAA commitment. The team was without Black after the Olympic Qualifier in Russia (August 4th). They spent the last month training for the Pan Am Games, plus their last competition without him. The assistant coach and Next Gen coach ran practices and coached. A-Team and Next Gen team then practiced together, and the A-Team really was not working together as a unit. I felt the team lost a lot of traction during this period when other teams were peaking. Especially in an Olympic qualifier year, I think they need a full-time coach. The team travelled to Georgia on the 26/27th. PR got together on the 16th of Dec. (minus Santana, Enright etc. who arrived around the 26th and 27th). Then PR had friendly matches with Peru. I would have liked to see Canada get together sooner even if not the whole team. Budget probably prevented them from going to Georgia sooner, but maybe some of them could have started together sooner in Vancouver? Again, budget may have been the reason for this, and getting all the players there. I wonder if Volleyball Canada is starting to regret their choice of Black as the NT coach...or maybe too early to tell. Hard to say. They likely agreed to Black not coaching after the Olympic Qualifier in Russia. |
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Post by newbeach on Jan 10, 2020 22:55:47 GMT -5
Un freaking believable. Dominicana has played more 5 setters than any nation. It is incredible. They've also probably won more 5 setters than any nation.  |
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Post by deacondive on Jan 10, 2020 22:57:27 GMT -5
Why why why do you put Bricio in position 2 to start the 5th set?
Mexico struggling to score with her in the back
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Post by chicagosports on Jan 10, 2020 22:59:03 GMT -5
Mexican coach probably shouldn't pull their taller setter while she's in the front row... DR will still win at least!
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Post by Kingsley on Jan 10, 2020 23:03:09 GMT -5
Well, that took longer than it should have!
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 10, 2020 23:05:26 GMT -5
Well, that took longer than it should have! That's the typical pattern with DR and probably why DR still remains outside the ranks of the top teams. It can be frustrating to watch them when you are rooting for them, seeing them squander opportunities one after another and tire themselves out needlessly. |
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Post by trojansc on Jan 10, 2020 23:05:40 GMT -5
Un freaking believable. Dominicana has played more 5 setters than any nation. It is incredible. They've also probably won more 5 setters than any nation. THAT PART !!! |
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Post by Resident Bitchy Canadian Fan on Jan 10, 2020 23:07:02 GMT -5
I would guess lack of preparation for this event and lack of experience in a match like this. They’ve definitely played much better matches than this and multiple in a row as well. But also they really do miss Bailey’s serve receive and defense. Van Ryk also seemed a bit better on the right to me as well, although she has gotten better since the summer it seems Correct me if I am wrong, but historically, the Canadian men's team has done better than the women's team? I believe overall, the men's team has acheived better results than the women. Why is that I wonder? Maybe less competition on the men's side? And what is holding the women's team back? I'm not just talking about the college game, but volleyball in Canada is...reasonably popular, right? Ok, hockey and lacrosse will always have pride of place above the 49th parallel, but where does volleyball rank in Canada compared to say, baseball, (Canadian) football and basketball? So yeah, mens volleyball has definitely been stronger than the women’s program historically by a lot. So I can’t really answer it from a standpoint from before I started, but even at the high school level, boys players just seemed a lot more developed and athletic at the age than the girls teams would be. So I think that plays a part in why the men’s team is stronger. Also, in my brief time playing uni ball, the men’s games would always have a bigger turnout than the women’s games. At a national level, I would say vball is below all those sports listed. However, at the university level, some vball programs get a better turnout than basketball teams for sure, but not the others. |
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Post by trojansc on Jan 10, 2020 23:08:17 GMT -5
Well, that took longer than it should have! Two matches literally took 7 entire hours start to finish |
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 10, 2020 23:12:39 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong, but historically, the Canadian men's team has done better than the women's team? I believe overall, the men's team has acheived better results than the women. Why is that I wonder? Maybe less competition on the men's side? And what is holding the women's team back? I'm not just talking about the college game, but volleyball in Canada is...reasonably popular, right? Ok, hockey and lacrosse will always have pride of place above the 49th parallel, but where does volleyball rank in Canada compared to say, baseball, (Canadian) football and basketball? So yeah, mens volleyball has definitely been stronger than the women’s program historically by a lot. So I can’t really answer it from a standpoint from before I started, but even at the high school level, boys players just seemed a lot more developed and athletic at the age than the girls teams would be. So I think that plays a part in why the men’s team is stronger. Also, in my brief time playing uni ball, the men’s games would always have a bigger turnout than the women’s games. At a national level, I would say vball is below all those sports listed. However, at the university level, some vball programs get a better turnout than basketball teams for sure, but not the others. Interesting. Which part of Canada are you from? I have said bad stuff about Canada before I have to confess, but it was always with a light tongue-in-cheek mentality than a real criticism. And I do have Canadian relatives living up north, Btw, which province is volleyall most popular in? |
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Post by trojansc on Jan 10, 2020 23:32:35 GMT -5
Un freaking believable. Dominicana has played more 5 setters than any nation. It is incredible. It's their own fault honestly. They show flashes of brilliance but that is counter-acted by their lack of consistency. They are not going to make a breakthrough and join the ranks of the top tier teams unless they find a way to solve this problem. So naturally, we have to begin by asking why they have been so inconsistent. Skill issue? Mental issue? Cultural issue? Coaching issue? You have to understand the culture of Dominican Republic and also its lack of depth. First, if a team needs 2 starters from 2000 to win matches AND have a middle blocker playing 6 ro’s in serve receive — they probably have major issues. And they do. It’s no secret. At some point this summer after DR had an exhausting 5-set big win their coach Kwiek said after the match they have issues, particularly compared to USA they seriously lack structure, resources, organization and consistency. But, they have big hearts and play hard. That was in translation so maybe not exact but you get the idea. How many volleyball players in USA begin their careers on Concrete? Aiko Jones did in Jamaica (Louisville) and it was a big deal on ESPN. Not so much here in DR, it’s commonplace. DR is a team with big strengths and major weaknesses (serve receive and getting quality swings in transition). That means they can lose to anyone and also beat anyone. The amount of 5-set matches they win though, is really impressive. |
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Post by Resident Bitchy Canadian Fan on Jan 11, 2020 0:13:15 GMT -5
So yeah, mens volleyball has definitely been stronger than the women’s program historically by a lot. So I can’t really answer it from a standpoint from before I started, but even at the high school level, boys players just seemed a lot more developed and athletic at the age than the girls teams would be. So I think that plays a part in why the men’s team is stronger. Also, in my brief time playing uni ball, the men’s games would always have a bigger turnout than the women’s games. At a national level, I would say vball is below all those sports listed. However, at the university level, some vball programs get a better turnout than basketball teams for sure, but not the others. Interesting. Which part of Canada are you from? I have said bad stuff about Canada before I have to confess, but it was always with a light tongue-in-cheek mentality than a real criticism. And I do have Canadian relatives living up north, Btw, which province is volleyall most popular in? So I’m from Manitoba, and high school and uni was pretty popular here. I’d say good Ontario teams had pretty good support, but I’m kinda clueless other than that, so I’d say it’s most popular there or BC |
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Post by MonicaGeller on Jan 11, 2020 1:54:23 GMT -5
Interesting. Which part of Canada are you from? I have said bad stuff about Canada before I have to confess, but it was always with a light tongue-in-cheek mentality than a real criticism. And I do have Canadian relatives living up north, Btw, which province is volleyall most popular in? So I’m from Manitoba, and high school and uni was pretty popular here. I’d say good Ontario teams had pretty good support, but I’m kinda clueless other than that, so I’d say it’s most popular there or BC Generally speaking Club volleyball in Canada for girls is strongest in Ontario and Alberta. BC usually has good players but not on one team, while ALBERTA will have powerhouse teams like Pandas and Dinos and Ontario will have Halton Hurricanes, Pakmen and Leaside. I would say Canadian women’s volleyball lacks funding and consistency. They Canada Youth and Junior teams consist of 2 weeks training in the summer with a visit to USHP championships and are a pay to play program, so many people decline because of the cost. There is usually only one age group, Youth or Junior, so the players may only participate once in their club ages, unless they are playing up and that is pretty difficult to make the team. Last summer was the first year of “NextGen” where they are actually training more athletes than just the Senior team, so that is a step in the right direction. The men’s team has had success because they have had a full time training centre for years (Gatineau Quebec) Junior, Youth, Senior B, U21 and Senior A teams, so they are way ahead of the women’s programs and have a much stronger pipeline. Seems that the Canadian women when they complete their University careers are ready to get a job and move on with life, not many pursue a professional career or even try out for the Sr Team. Rant over - hope that helps 😊 |
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Post by baytree on Jan 11, 2020 3:58:27 GMT -5
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Post by Resident Bitchy Canadian Fan on Jan 11, 2020 4:16:35 GMT -5
So I’m from Manitoba, and high school and uni was pretty popular here. I’d say good Ontario teams had pretty good support, but I’m kinda clueless other than that, so I’d say it’s most popular there or BC Generally speaking Club volleyball in Canada for girls is strongest in Ontario and Alberta. BC usually has good players but not on one team, while ALBERTA will have powerhouse teams like Pandas and Dinos and Ontario will have Halton Hurricanes, Pakmen and Leaside. I would say Canadian women’s volleyball lacks funding and consistency. They Canada Youth and Junior teams consist of 2 weeks training in the summer with a visit to USHP championships and are a pay to play program, so many people decline because of the cost. There is usually only one age group, Youth or Junior, so the players may only participate once in their club ages, unless they are playing up and that is pretty difficult to make the team. Last summer was the first year of “NextGen” where they are actually training more athletes than just the Senior team, so that is a step in the right direction. The men’s team has had success because they have had a full time training centre for years (Gatineau Quebec) Junior, Youth, Senior B, U21 and Senior A teams, so they are way ahead of the women’s programs and have a much stronger pipeline. Seems that the Canadian women when they complete their University careers are ready to get a job and move on with life, not many pursue a professional career or even try out for the Sr Team. Rant over - hope that helps 😊 YES, that definitely helps. Yeah I’ve for sure noticed that some of the better players that I’ve met/known really don’t consider playing after graduating. |
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