bluepenquin
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 12, 2020 10:06:05 GMT -5
Yes. Some things I did - and still tinkering. I gave 1 point for any OH or S. I just think that those 2 positions are more impactful. I gave 1 point to the foreign players - one with Wisconsin and one with Utah. Still not sure what/how to factor in foreign players. I gave 3 points to anyone that was drafted in the Volley_High coaches draft top 20 and then 2 points if drafted in the T30. 1 point for HM. I gave 2 points for GYNT. I like the idea of using GYNT - but how often does a player skip GYNT for personal choice? I put a lot of value on that VH coaches draft and then GYNT when separating the top players. So someone like Jordan Middleton who was #8 in the coaches draft or Averi Carlson #10, but not GYNT is valued pretty high - and then Ella Rubin who is both GYNT and #5 (top player in coaches draft) gets a boost from what looks like a under rank from PV. Wucherer hits all the buttons - #2 in the class in coaches draft. #3 in PV rank. OH, GYNT. Kahahawai hits all 3, but at slightly lower rankings than Wucherer. And then someone like Dacosta is getting 100% of her points from PV. All good adjustments I think. And Wurcherer coming out on top is, in my opinion, an indication that it's heading in the right direction. Regarding foreign players, is it too time consuming to reward them based on their accomplishments with their national team? Say 6 points for senior national team experience (Parra at Texas for example), 4 points for U-20 competition and 2 points for Girl's Youth level? We've discussed this previously, but I still feel that once players get to college their PV points should be dropped from BI completely and replaced with things like CNT experience or conference accolades (with more weight given to more recent achievements, so a 2019 AA HM is worth more in 2020, than a 2018 one). PV are ranking based on potential and when players are actually in college, it is time to turn that into performance. Ashley Shook etc contributing 8 points every year while not seeing the floor distorts the rankings imo. There still needs to be a way to factor in Freshman - I think. Or even RS Freshman/Sophomore like in the case of Stanford this year. Otherwise we will come up with something like Stanford this year being ~ the 25th best team instead of a clear T10 team. As for NT or particularly U-20 or GYNT - I would like to know who was invited or would have made a team but chose not to participate for various reasons. How often does this happen? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 10:26:49 GMT -5
All good adjustments I think. And Wurcherer coming out on top is, in my opinion, an indication that it's heading in the right direction. Regarding foreign players, is it too time consuming to reward them based on their accomplishments with their national team? Say 6 points for senior national team experience (Parra at Texas for example), 4 points for U-20 competition and 2 points for Girl's Youth level? We've discussed this previously, but I still feel that once players get to college their PV points should be dropped from BI completely and replaced with things like CNT experience or conference accolades (with more weight given to more recent achievements, so a 2019 AA HM is worth more in 2020, than a 2018 one). PV are ranking based on potential and when players are actually in college, it is time to turn that into performance. Ashley Shook etc contributing 8 points every year while not seeing the floor distorts the rankings imo. There still needs to be a way to factor in Freshman - I think. Or even RS Freshman/Sophomore like in the case of Stanford this year. Otherwise we will come up with something like Stanford this year being ~ the 25th best team instead of a clear T10 team. As for NT or particularly U-20 or GYNT - I would like to know who was invited or would have made a team but chose not to participate for various reasons. How often does this happen? Regarding youth national teams, it's not common enough to invalidate the metric. I'd put more faith in the GYNT at this moment than the PV 'Top 150' for 2022s, for example. I agree that senior aces still have some value for freshman. Maybe even retain a portion of those points for sophomores, but once a player is two years removed from being a senior ace, what relevance does it have to their current value? |
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Post by fatandfurious on Sept 12, 2020 10:52:32 GMT -5
There still needs to be a way to factor in Freshman - I think. Or even RS Freshman/Sophomore like in the case of Stanford this year. Otherwise we will come up with something like Stanford this year being ~ the 25th best team instead of a clear T10 team. As for NT or particularly U-20 or GYNT - I would like to know who was invited or would have made a team but chose not to participate for various reasons. How often does this happen? Regarding youth national teams, it's not common enough to invalidate the metric. I'd put more faith in the GYNT at this moment than the PV 'Top 150' for 2022s, for example. I agree that senior aces still have some value for freshman. Maybe even retain a portion of those points for sophomores, but once a player is two years removed from being a senior ace, what relevance does it have to their current value? There were three 2022s that made the Women’s Junior National Training Team: Booth, Herrington and Middleton. They had late 2003 birthdays and were slightly too old for the Youth age group. |
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 12, 2020 11:18:01 GMT -5
Are you awarding points for making GYNT? Yes. Some things I did - and still tinkering. I gave 1 point for any OH or S. I just think that those 2 positions are more impactful. I gave 1 point to the foreign players - one with Wisconsin and one with Utah. Still not sure what/how to factor in foreign players. I gave 3 points to anyone that was drafted in the Volley_High coaches draft top 20 and then 2 points if drafted in the T30. 1 point for HM. I gave 2 points for GYNT. I like the idea of using GYNT - but how often does a player skip GYNT for personal choice? I put a lot of value on that VH coaches draft and then GYNT when separating the top players. So someone like Jordan Middleton who was #8 in the coaches draft or Averi Carlson #10, but not GYNT is valued pretty high - and then Ella Rubin who is both GYNT and #5 (top player in coaches draft) gets a boost from what looks like a under rank from PV. Wucherer hits all the buttons - #2 in the class in coaches draft. #3 in PV rank. OH, GYNT. Kahahawai hits all 3, but at slightly lower rankings than Wucherer. And then someone like Dacosta is getting 100% of her points from PV. Middleton made the Junior National Team. Probably too old? For the YNT? |
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Post by Fight On! on Sept 12, 2020 11:26:52 GMT -5
Yes. Some things I did - and still tinkering. I gave 1 point for any OH or S. I just think that those 2 positions are more impactful. I gave 1 point to the foreign players - one with Wisconsin and one with Utah. Still not sure what/how to factor in foreign players. I gave 3 points to anyone that was drafted in the Volley_High coaches draft top 20 and then 2 points if drafted in the T30. 1 point for HM. I gave 2 points for GYNT. I like the idea of using GYNT - but how often does a player skip GYNT for personal choice? I put a lot of value on that VH coaches draft and then GYNT when separating the top players. So someone like Jordan Middleton who was #8 in the coaches draft or Averi Carlson #10, but not GYNT is valued pretty high - and then Ella Rubin who is both GYNT and #5 (top player in coaches draft) gets a boost from what looks like a under rank from PV. Wucherer hits all the buttons - #2 in the class in coaches draft. #3 in PV rank. OH, GYNT. Kahahawai hits all 3, but at slightly lower rankings than Wucherer. And then someone like Dacosta is getting 100% of her points from PV. Middleton made the Junior National Team. Probably too old? For the YNT? Yes I think so. Heard something on here about a birthday missing the cutoff. |
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Post by vbjustice on Sept 21, 2020 12:41:20 GMT -5
An interesting find on BYU’s part. Northeast or New England area doesn’t tend to be their go-to. I think I can count on 1 hand the amount of girls from the northeast or New England region that are currently at a top 25 program. Are we seeing some signs of growth over in that part of the country? I think Purdue just picked up a middle from that area. |
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Post by mommy on Sept 21, 2020 16:23:23 GMT -5
Good all around player. I wish UNC would’ve recruited her. At least we don’t have to see her twice a year. |
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vballfreak808
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Post by vballfreak808 on Sept 22, 2020 21:03:07 GMT -5
Averie Hernandez to Northwestern
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Post by volleyheels10 on Sept 29, 2020 12:43:33 GMT -5
Cadence Shea OH/MB/RS (Magnificat High) commits to UNC joining Babic (S), Mogridge (MB), and Swain (OH).
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vballfreak808
Hawaiian Ohana
2020 All-VolleyTalk 1st Team, All-VolleyTalk 2nd Team (2023, 2022, 2017, 2016), All-VolleyTalk HM (2021, 2019, 2018), 2017 Fantasy League 1st Runner-up, 2016 Fantasy League Champion
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Post by vballfreak808 on Oct 22, 2020 19:56:14 GMT -5
Avery Shimaitis (Houston Skyline) OH commits to Pepperdine
Pretty impressive class the Waves are putting together
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Oct 23, 2020 14:20:11 GMT -5
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Post by horns1 on Oct 23, 2020 14:42:24 GMT -5
I had a feeling Amaya was gonna commit to Florida as she recently started following some current Gator players in IG.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 23, 2020 16:17:32 GMT -5
Now that's a good pick up. Wise sure knows how to wrangle them in. Florida has a really nice 2022 class, perhaps even the #1 overall. What is interesting is the log jam in the middle. Okammor is pretty good, Essix may very well be the middle with the highest ceiling in the 2021 class (this is a potential Alhassan type player) and Kelley is also very good. Now Thomas gets added into the mix? that's a lot of middle depth.
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Post by ay2013 on May 12, 2021 12:09:02 GMT -5
Rubin makes it official to Stanford. Seems like Devin K is the last big name outstanding.
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Post by longhorn9214 on May 12, 2021 12:12:00 GMT -5
Rubin makes it official to Stanford. Seems like Devin K is the last big name outstanding. She should be announcing soon right? Texas looks to be the destination with Nebraska and Stanford with heavy recruits already in the same class. |
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