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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jan 5, 2020 12:26:14 GMT -5
Here is the detail I could find on these 15 teams. Black ink in parenthesis - I tried listing players committed to a D1 school for reference. 8. Mintonette (OH) - 15.5Emily Londot - Ohio State (7) - MB/OH Scottee Johnson - Michigan (4.5) - S/RS Raina Terry - Illinois (3) - OH/MB Madyson Chitty - Rutgers (1) - L Maryanne Boyle - Providence - MB/RS Emma Brown - Robert Morris - RS/MB Claranne Fechter - Campbell - L/DS Sarah Morbitzer - Ohio State - L/DS Skye Stokes - West Virginia - OH
Interesting.
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Post by bprtbone on Jan 5, 2020 13:06:49 GMT -5
Legacy (MI) - no Celia Cullen on the roster - did she enroll early with Michigan State? Yes. She is listed on MSU's spring roster.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 5, 2020 13:42:17 GMT -5
So this is an analysis of the 18's teams? Nope - just trying to understand who the top teams might be, or who has the most in terms of college commits and PV senior aces. I have found it frustrating trying to follow where college commits are playing club or who is on what team - I have been looking for this information in one place, so I have tried to create it for reference.
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Post by hac on Jan 5, 2020 15:30:28 GMT -5
In reference to the What is Black Ink? Perhaps this is a reference to what clubs are financially sound or what clubs are the most financially viable? Was there research done on financial statements, whether or not if the club is a non-profit organization or costs of doing business related to salaries and building costs?
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Post by baytree on Jan 5, 2020 16:42:43 GMT -5
In reference to the What is Black Ink? Perhaps this is a reference to what clubs are financially sound or what clubs are the most financially viable? Was there research done on financial statements, whether or not if the club is a non-profit organization or costs of doing business related to salaries and building costs? If you're asking what is "black ink" as used in this thread, that was asked and answered on p 1
If you're asking about the financial soundness of various clubs, you should probably start a new thread bc this one isn't about that kind of black ink.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 5, 2020 17:32:46 GMT -5
It is a quick point system based on Prepvolleyball senior ace ranking, Under Armour ranking - and then NCAA All-American and All-Conference teams, which isn't relevant for HS players. From memory: Senior Ace List: 1-5 = 7 points 6-10 = 6 points 11-25 = 5 points 26-50 = 4 points 51-100 = 3 points 101-110 = 1.5 points 111-250 = 1 point 251-262 = .5 points I have to improvise with Juniors and Sophomores. If they made the Top 50 Juniors, then 4 points, unless they are someone that I have a sense is likely to be T10. HM get some points. As for Sophomores - that is more fuzzy. Generally, a Sophomore playing 18U is probably very good... Under Armour: 1st Team = 1 point 2nd or 3rd Team = .5 points Kinda surprised the Under Armour girls don’t get more points, and that HM gets no points. I think this year there were over 1300 nominations, and some ridiculous talent, like endsley, skinner, Ndiaye were on the 2nd or 3rd teams. I realize a lot of overlap with prep vball list but not always Black Ink is totally made up by me and is not an analytical measurement - it is just something I use that can simply sort out the best teams. The point system shouldn't be taken literal - it is meaningless in terms of predicting and shouldn't be taken as a final answer. On the plus, out of thousands of club teams - this can allow me focus on a much smaller number. I changed (lowered) the value assigned to Under Armour from last year. I think it was 2 points for 1st team, 1.5 for 2nd, 1.0 for 3rd team and 0.5 for HM. I just don't think UA does a very good job of determining the best players (is why I changed this). For this, I would have assigned points for D1 commits - and that might have merit?
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Post by jasonr on Jan 5, 2020 17:35:50 GMT -5
Kinda surprised the Under Armour girls don’t get more points, and that HM gets no points. I think this year there were over 1300 nominations, and some ridiculous talent, like endsley, skinner, Ndiaye were on the 2nd or 3rd teams. I realize a lot of overlap with prep vball list but not always Black Ink is totally made up by me and is not an analytical measurement - it is just something I use that can simply sort out the best teams. The point system shouldn't be taken literal - it is meaningless in terms of predicting and shouldn't be taken as a final answer. On the plus, out of thousands of club teams - this can allow me focus on a much smaller number. I changed (lowered) the value assigned to Under Armour from last year. I think it was 2 points for 1st team, 1.5 for 2nd, 1.0 for 3rd team and 0.5 for HM. I just don't think UA does a very good job of determining the best players (is why I changed this). For this, I would have assigned points for D1 commits - and that might have merit? I think if you created a point system for commits, especially based on program level, that would have some merit.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 5, 2020 17:48:09 GMT -5
Black Ink is totally made up by me and is not an analytical measurement - it is just something I use that can simply sort out the best teams. The point system shouldn't be taken literal - it is meaningless in terms of predicting and shouldn't be taken as a final answer. On the plus, out of thousands of club teams - this can allow me focus on a much smaller number. I changed (lowered) the value assigned to Under Armour from last year. I think it was 2 points for 1st team, 1.5 for 2nd, 1.0 for 3rd team and 0.5 for HM. I just don't think UA does a very good job of determining the best players (is why I changed this). For this, I would have assigned points for D1 commits - and that might have merit? I think if you created a point system for commits, especially based on program level, that would have some merit. For this - yes. I wouldn't want to do this for D1 school black ink. For now - black ink narrows the teams to look at and then listing all the players that are D1 commit and who they have committed to helps (me).
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 5, 2020 18:01:57 GMT -5
Updated with the correct Munciana team.
Please let me know of any other missing teams - or when Premier Nebraska publishes some kind of workable roster. Other clubs that I couldn't get updated information: Vision (CA), Six Pack (IA), PNK (KY), Houston Juniors (TX), Forza1 (CA).
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Post by hac on Jan 5, 2020 18:13:49 GMT -5
Black Ink or Red Ink refers to the financial stability of a company. If the topic is in reference has to how financially successful a club is, or in the black, this is an unusual topic with comparisons or predictions of on the court success. So far, no one has mentioned how financially sound the clubs are in the black are doing. What is the determining factor? Private vs non-profit? How are facts obtained?
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Post by jasonr on Jan 5, 2020 18:18:06 GMT -5
Black Ink or Red Ink refers to the financial stability of a company. If the topic is in reference has to how financially successful a club is, or in the black, this is an unusual topic with comparisons or predictions of on the court success. So far, no one has mentioned how financially sound the clubs are in the black are doing. What is the determining factor? Private vs non-profit? How are facts obtained? Start a new thread for that. Black Ink is terminology from sabermetrics and is applied appropriately under that context by bluepenquin
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Post by uncommitted on Jan 5, 2020 18:42:15 GMT -5
There’s probably a couple Arizona teams that should be in the mix somewhere:
AZ Storm Elite 18 Thunder — was a very successful 17 open team, and returns several top recruits including OH Bri McKnight (UCSB —senior ace the 150), middle Jasmine Knight (VCU — senior ace the 150) setter Kate Hatch (NAU — senior ace the 150) and OH Taylor Riola (Air Force—UA all American honorable mention)
AZ Revolution 18 Adidas — the main players on this team played 18 open last year, including OH Jayelin Hodge (Arizona—#20 senior ace) OH Ashley Lifgren (GCU— senior ace the 150) and Libero Becca Morse (Oregon-UA all American honorable mention). They add two good 2021s to the mix, OH Jordan Miller (Boise state) and middle Makayla Long (uncommitted, moved from Oregon where she had played 18 open for NPJ). Not sure how to quantify the younger girls.
The rest of the 2020 talent in AZ is pretty spread out among various clubs, I don’t think there were any other senior aces in the class and Morse and Riola were the only UA AAs in the state this year.
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Post by redcard on Jan 5, 2020 20:03:54 GMT -5
I am interested in club information - getting information can be frustrating. I will continue to edit/update the 1st two posts with new information. The 17U TAV team from last year was insanely loaded. I saw where Annebelle Smith (Stanford) moved to Dallas Skyline this year making them much better. Wasn't sure who enrolled early. From the list above - sounds like Wenaas will play another year with the 18U and Madison Williams is enrolling early with Texas? Some other tidbits: Northern Lights was among the very best 18U teams last year led by Sophomore Kennedi Orr (Nebraska). Looks like Orr is playing with the Northern Light's 17U team as a Junior. A team that should be among the best in the 17U class and probably better than their 18U team. Muncina (IN) was pretty good last year with the Shaffmaster sisters. Their 18U team this year doesn't have MJ Hammill (Wisconsin) and Ellee Stinson (Northwestern) - did they early enroll? And Junior Mabry Shaffmaster (North Carolina) is not on the 18 team. Legacy (MI) - no Celia Cullen on the roster - did she enroll early with Michigan State? KC MAVS (KS) - Caroline Crawford (Kansas) and Ayden Bartlett (Louisville) repeat with the 18U team this year and combine with one of the best 17U teams from last year. However, senior ace Samantha Schnitta (Ole Miss) is not on the roster and must be enrolling early with Ole Miss? And junior Caroline Bien (Kansas) is not on the roster and I have no idea where she went? Looks like 3 of the best Sophomores from last year that played 18U - are not playing 18U this year (Orr, Shaffmaster, & Wolf) [ [br Re. Munciana, not sure where you looked. Their roster lists all those you mentioned. Also, Allen decommitted from Xavier last year after the mass exodus of some starters. www.munciana.com/samurai
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Post by atticus on Jan 6, 2020 12:31:57 GMT -5
Coast also has Madi Allen, a highly ranked libero committed to BYU
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 7, 2020 8:32:36 GMT -5
Coast also has Madi Allen, a highly ranked libero committed to BYU Updated with Allen with COAST.
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