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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2020 22:14:00 GMT -5
The 2020 season has started and I wanted to check on the black ink for the clubs I have looked up. Many clubs do not update their website making finding information a bit challenging - so I have missed some (and I am sure I made some mistakes). Here is the Top 15 for now. I put TAV #1 - as I assume they will have the most black ink once we see who is on the roster.
1. TAV Black (TX) - 37.5
2. Coast (CA) - 23
3. Mizuno Long Beach (CA) - 21.5
4. Houston Skyline (TX) - 21
5. MAVS (KS) - 20.5
6. Milwaukee Sting (WI) - 20
7. Munciana - Samurai (IN) - 19.5
8. VC Nebraska (NE) - 18
9. Adversity Adidas (IL) - 17.5
10. Mintonette (OH) - 15.5
11. Dallas Skyline (TX) - 14
12. KIVA (KY) - 12.5
13. Academy Volleyball Cleveland (OH) - 10.5
14. Top Select (FL) - 10
15. Legacy (MI) - 9
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2020 22:15:40 GMT -5
Here is the detail I could find on these 15 teams. Black ink in parenthesis - I tried listing players committed to a D1 school for reference.
1. TAV (TX) - 37.5
Leilah Smith - Stanford (8) - MB Jenna Wenaas - Minnesota (8) - OH Iman Ndiaye - UCLA (6.5) - RS Nnedi Okammor - Florida (4) - MB Paige Flickinger - LSU (4) - OH Kate Lang - Hawaii (3) - S Savannah Kjolhede - Indiana (3) - RS Sydney Yap - Duke (3) - S Isabella Lopez - La Salle (1) - L
2. Coast (CA) - 23
Madi Endsley - Washington (5.5) - OH Lindsey Miller - Notre Dame (5) - MB Leyla Blackwell - Indiana (3) - MB China Rai Crouch - Arizona (3) - RS Madi Allen - BYU (3) - L Alex Lougeay - Stanford (1.5) - L Mackenzie Karnig - Army (1) - OH Molly Wilson - Washington (1) - 2021 - S Maya Gessner - Cal (Sand) - RS Sydney Moore - Cornell - MB Kylie Adams - Wake Forest - S
3. Mizuno Long Beach (CA) - 21.5
Nalani Iosia - Texas (6) - L Kamerynn Miner - Stanford (5) - 2021 - S Starr Williams - Long Beach State (4.5) - 2021 - OH Abby Karich - Utah (3) - OH Laila Ricks - Maryland (3) - OH Ariel Campbell - American - OH/RS Kai Nickerson - Army - OH Marisse Turner - Cal State Fullerton - MB Kailia Lopez - Long Beach State - OH Jennifer Bolden - Notre Dame - RS Kathryn Alexander - Penn - L
4. Houston Skyline (TX) = 21.0
Madisen Skinner - Kentucky (7.5) - OH Reagan Rutherford - Kentucky (7) - S/RS Claire Jeter - Texas A&M (3.5) - MB Nia McCardell - Rice (1.5) - L Trinity Watts - Liberty (1) - OH/MB Dylan Maberry - LSU (0.5) - OH/MB Allie Griffith - Air Force - L/DS Emerald Jacobs - Florida A&M - OH/MB Emily Hawes - Ole Miss - L/DS Danyle Courtley - Rice - OH Aislan Lennon - Saint Marys - S
5. MAVS (KS) - 20.5
Caroline Crawford - Kansas (6) - MB Kendra Wait - Creighton (4.5) - 2021 - S Ayden Bartlett - Louisville (3) - L Kim Whetstone - Kansas (3) - MB Caroline Bien - Kansas (3) - 2021 - L/OH Lindsay Lahr - Missouri State (1) - OH Kaitlyn Hamilton - Indiana State - OH Halle Jackson - North Texas - MB
6. Milwaukee Sting (WI) - 20
Elise Goetzinger - Kentucky (4.5) - MB Aubrey Hamilton - Notre Dame (4.5) - OH Kiara Reinhardt - Creighton (4) - MB McKenna Wucherer - Minnesota (4) - 2022 - OH Kelsey Carrington - Oklahoma (3) - MB Isabelle Schauer - Belmont - S Sarah Schrader - Milwaukee - OH Alyse Drifka - SIUE - S Caitlin Crawford - South Carolina - L/DS Erin Powers - UAB - L/DS Maddie Barber - Villanova - MB Elise Schneider - Wofford - RS
7. Munciana - Samurai (IN) - 19.5
MJ Hammill - Wisconsin (4.5) - S Mabrey Shaffmaster - North Carolina (3.5) - 2021 (OH) Camryn Haworth - Indiana (3) - 2021 - S Carly Mills - Indiana (3) - 2021 - L Lexie Almodovar - Dayton (1.5) - L Lauren Gilliland - Ball State (1) - MB Caitlin Snyder - Ball State (1) - OH Lindsey Winner - Dayton (1) - MB Regan Tinkle - Georgia (1) - OH/RS Ellee Stinson - Northwestern - 2021 - L Jada Allen - Xavier - MB
8. VC Nebraska (NE) - 18
Kalynn Meyer - Nebraska (6) - MB Whitney Lauenstein - Nebraska (4.5) - 2021 - OH Elle Glock - USC (4.5) - 2021 - S Bekka Allick - Nebraska (3) - 2022 - MB Annika Evans - Nebraska - S
9. Adversity Adidas (IL) - 17.5
Rachel Muisenga - Penn State (4.5) - 2021 - S/RS Leilani Dodson - BYU (4) - MB Camryn Hannah - Clemson (4) - OH Hattie Monson - Notre Dame (4) - L Natalie Chizzo - Northwestern (1) - OH Kate Danaher - Brown - S Caroline Barnes - Illinois - 2021 - L Sophia Gregus - Illinois - OH Zahria Woodard - Illinois-Chicago - MB Amanda Rice - North Carolina State - 2021 - RS
10. Mintonette (OH) - 15.5
Emily Londot - Ohio State (7) - MB/OH Scottee Johnson - Michigan (4.5) - S/RS Raina Terry - Illinois (3) - OH/MB Madyson Chitty - Rutgers (1) - L Maryanne Boyle - Providence - MB/RS Emma Brown - Robert Morris - RS/MB Claranne Fechter - Campbell - L/DS Sarah Morbitzer - Ohio State - L/DS Skye Stokes - West Virginia - OH
11. Dallas Skyline (TX) - 14
Annabelle Smith - Stanford (4.5) - MB/RS Madison Gilliland - Texas Tech (3) - 2021 - MB/RS Isabel Rawlings - Rice (3) - S/RS Samantha Hastings - USC (1.5) - L Kendyl Reaugh - Alabama (1) - OH Kennedy Stanford - Colorado State (1) - OH Jennifer Blessing - Cal Baptist - L/DS Sola Omonije - Davidson - MB Keilee Guinn - McNeese State - OH Caroline Stogner - UAB - OH
12. KIVA (KY) - 12.5
Anna DeBeer - Louisville (6) - OH Rylee Rader - Ohio State (6) - MB Kristen Clemons - Belmont (.5) - MB Katie McKune - Eastern Kentucky - RS Jenny Wessling - High Point - 2021 - L/DS Claire Fuller - Jacksonville State - L/DS Taylor Eisert - Middle Tennessee St. - S Chloe Mingus - Middle Tennessee St. - L/DS
13. Academy Volleyball Cleveland (OH) - 10.5
Madelyn Bilinovic - Penn State (3) Samantha Csire - Maryland (3) Lourdes Myers - Purdue (3) Ella Mihacevich - Northern Illinois (1.5) Alexis Mettille - Bowling Green Anne-Marie Monaco - Robert Morris
14. Top Select (FL) - 10
Anne Fitzpatrick - Penn State (5) Paris Thompson - Notre Dame (3) - 2021 Lauren Gips - Rice (1) Fatima Samb - Yale (1) Miabella English - Florida Atlantic Raine Lynch - Florida Atlantic Mallory Downing - Georgia Allison Palmi - Incarnate Word Kate Wonus - Samford Imani Hartfield - Southern Illinois Emily Lawrence - UCF
15. Legacy (MI) - 9
Alexa Rousseau - Northwestern (4.5) Kendall Murray - Michigan (3.5) Ellie Ruprich - South Carolina (1) Paige Gallentine - Chattanooga Kate Stration - Cornell Kennedy Dolmage - Oakland Lauren King - VCU Meghan Dombrowski - West Virginia
Houston Juniors (TX) - 8.5
Ally Batenhorst - Nebraska (5) - 2021 - OH Aliyah McDonald - Oregon State (1) - MB Amanda Ifeanyi - UTSA (1) - MB Mackenzie Morgan - Texas Tech (1) - OH Alia Williams - Uncommitted (0.5) - MB
KC Power (KS) - 8.5
Karli Schmidt - Kansas (4.5) Ellie Bolton - Creighton (3) Meauna Booth - Long Beach State (1) Elise Mcgee - Kansas Kaiti Parks - Kansas Anna Feldkamp - Loyola IL Amelia Vanderwerff - Middle Tennessee Evelyn Diederich - South Dakota Torri Henry - Stony Brook
WAVE (CA) - 7
Camilla Appiani - Minnesota (1.5) Carly Diehl - Yale (1.5) Trinity Durfee - Saint Marys (1) Maya Satchell - Princeton (1) Samantha Taumoepeau - Cal (1) Sophia Tulino - Santa Clara (1) Layla Haberfield - Cal Poly Hanna Karl - DePaul Mia Schafer - San Jose State Kendra Nock - Santa Clara
A5 (GA) - 6.5
Sasha Ratliff - San Diego (3.5) Emily Hodsdon - Wofford (1) Mackenzie Norris - Georgia (1) Ada Jane Agolli - Brown (0.5) Savannah Bray - Army (0.5) Jazzy Innis - Berry Sarah Flynn - Chattanooga Hayden McGee - Chattanooga Jessie Doyle - Davidson Ava Vlkovic - Georgia State Claire Parsons - Kennesaw State Madison Morey - Virginia
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Post by Rutgers fan on Jan 4, 2020 22:55:01 GMT -5
What is black ink?
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Post by jasonr on Jan 4, 2020 23:01:25 GMT -5
The 2020 season has started and I wanted to check on the black ink for the clubs I have looked up. Many clubs do not update their website making finding information a bit challenging - so I have missed some (and I am sure I made some mistakes). Here is the Top 15 for now. I put TAV #1 - as I assume they will have the most black ink once we see who is on the roster. 1. TAV Black (TX) -N/A 2. Mizuno Long Beach (CA) -21.5 3. Houston Skyline (TX) -21 4. Coast (CA) -20 4. Milwaukee Sting (WI) -20 6. MAVS (KS) -17.5 7. Mintonette (OH) -15.5 8. Dallas Skyline (TX) -14 9. KIVA (KY) -12.5 10. Academy Volleyball Cleveland (OH) -10.5 11. Top Select (FL) -10 12. Legacy (MI) -9 13. KC Power (KS) -8.5 14. WAVE (CA) -7 15. A5 (GA) -6.5 Not sure how you're assigning points, I assume juniors and sophomore lists from PrepVB? If so, check out both Nebraska Premier (Krause, Sis, Schrader) and VC Nebraska (Meyer, Glock, Lauenstein, Allick, Evans).
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2020 23:10:43 GMT -5
The 2020 season has started and I wanted to check on the black ink for the clubs I have looked up. Many clubs do not update their website making finding information a bit challenging - so I have missed some (and I am sure I made some mistakes). Here is the Top 15 for now. I put TAV #1 - as I assume they will have the most black ink once we see who is on the roster. 1. TAV Black (TX) -N/A 2. Mizuno Long Beach (CA) -21.5 3. Houston Skyline (TX) -21 4. Coast (CA) -20 4. Milwaukee Sting (WI) -20 6. MAVS (KS) -17.5 7. Mintonette (OH) -15.5 8. Dallas Skyline (TX) -14 9. KIVA (KY) -12.5 10. Academy Volleyball Cleveland (OH) -10.5 11. Top Select (FL) -10 12. Legacy (MI) -9 13. KC Power (KS) -8.5 14. WAVE (CA) -7 15. A5 (GA) -6.5 Not sure how you're assigning points, I assume juniors and sophomore lists from PrepVB? If so, check out both Nebraska Premier (Krause, Sis, Schrader) and VC Nebraska (Meyer, Glock, Lauenstein, Allick, Evans). Nebraska Premier didn't update their website (Heck, TAV hasn't updated their website since 2017). I didn't look at VB Nebraska. Premier would be top 15 with just those three players and probably VC Nebraska also.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2020 23:17:14 GMT -5
It is a quick point system based on Prepvolleyball senior ace ranking, Under Armour ranking - and then NCAA All-American and All-Conference teams, which isn't relevant for HS players. From memory: Senior Ace List: 1-5 = 7 points 6-10 = 6 points 11-25 = 5 points 26-50 = 4 points 51-100 = 3 points 101-110 = 1.5 points 111-250 = 1 point 251-262 = .5 points I have to improvise with Juniors and Sophomores. If they made the Top 50 Juniors, then 4 points, unless they are someone that I have a sense is likely to be T10. HM get some points. As for Sophomores - that is more fuzzy. Generally, a Sophomore playing 18U is probably very good... Under Armour: 1st Team = 1 point 2nd or 3rd Team = .5 points
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 4, 2020 23:52:08 GMT -5
Not sure how you're assigning points, I assume juniors and sophomore lists from PrepVB? If so, check out both Nebraska Premier (Krause, Sis, Schrader) and VC Nebraska (Meyer, Glock, Lauenstein, Allick, Evans). Nebraska Premier didn't update their website (Heck, TAV hasn't updated their website since 2017). I didn't look at VB Nebraska. Premier would be top 15 with just those three players and probably VC Nebraska also. TAV had a different website last season. However that one hasn't been updated with 2020 information, so they may have changed it again.
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Post by winesalot on Jan 5, 2020 6:22:23 GMT -5
TAV may not keep up with their website, but they are always posting on Instagram. I don't know if this is the full roster for 18 Black, but here is what I found from signing day:
Jenna Wenaas - Minnesota Kate Lang - Hawaii Sydney Yap - Duke Nnedi Okammor - Florida Savannah Kjolhede - Indiana Paige Flickinger - LSU Iman Ndiaye - UCLA Isabella Lopez - La Salle Leilah Smith - Stanford
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Post by snickers on Jan 5, 2020 7:20:43 GMT -5
^ That roster is insanely talented. Wow.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 5, 2020 8:30:51 GMT -5
I am interested in club information - getting information can be frustrating. I will continue to edit/update the 1st two posts with new information.
The 17U TAV team from last year was insanely loaded. I saw where Annebelle Smith (Stanford) moved to Dallas Skyline this year making them much better. Wasn't sure who enrolled early. From the list above - sounds like Wenaas will play another year with the 18U and Madison Williams is enrolling early with Texas?
Some other tidbits:
Northern Lights was among the very best 18U teams last year led by Sophomore Kennedi Orr (Nebraska). Looks like Orr is playing with the Northern Light's 17U team as a Junior. A team that should be among the best in the 17U class and probably better than their 18U team.
Muncina (IN) was pretty good last year with the Shaffmaster sisters. Their 18U team this year doesn't have MJ Hammill (Wisconsin) and Ellee Stinson (Northwestern) - did they early enroll? And Junior Mabry Shaffmaster (North Carolina) is not on the 18 team.
Legacy (MI) - no Celia Cullen on the roster - did she enroll early with Michigan State?
KC MAVS (KS) - Caroline Crawford (Kansas) and Ayden Bartlett (Louisville) repeat with the 18U team this year and combine with one of the best 17U teams from last year. However, senior ace Samantha Schnitta (Ole Miss) is not on the roster and must be enrolling early with Ole Miss? And junior Caroline Bien (Kansas) is not on the roster and I have no idea where she went?
Looks like 3 of the best Sophomores from last year that played 18U - are not playing 18U this year (Orr, Shaffmaster, & Wolf)
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 5, 2020 9:34:29 GMT -5
Added VC Nebraska to the list. They are very young - but loaded with a lot of talent at the top. Very hard to gauge how a team like this will do this year.
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 5, 2020 9:46:39 GMT -5
I am interested in club information - getting information can be frustrating. I will continue to edit/update the 1st two posts with new information. The 17U TAV team from last year was insanely loaded. I saw where Annebelle Smith (Stanford) moved to Dallas Skyline this year making them much better. Wasn't sure who enrolled early. From the list above - sounds like Wenaas will play another year with the 18U and Madison Williams is enrolling early with Texas? Some other tidbits: Northern Lights was among the very best 18U teams last year led by Sophomore Kennedi Orr (Nebraska). Looks like Orr is playing with the Northern Light's 17U team as a Junior. A team that should be among the best in the 17U class and probably better than their 18U team. Muncina (IN) was pretty good last year with the Shaffmaster sisters. Their 18U team this year doesn't have MJ Hammill (Wisconsin) and Ellee Stinson (Northwestern) - did they early enroll? And Junior Mabry Shaffmaster (North Carolina) is not on the 18 team. Legacy (MI) - no Celia Cullen on the roster - did she enroll early with Michigan State? KC MAVS (KS) - Caroline Crawford (Kansas) and Ayden Bartlett (Louisville) repeat with the 18U team this year and combine with one of the best 17U teams from last year. However, senior ace Samantha Schnitta (Ole Miss) is not on the roster and must be enrolling early with Ole Miss? And junior Caroline Bien (Kansas) is not on the roster and I have no idea where she went? Looks like 3 of the best Sophomores from last year that played 18U - are not playing 18U this year (Orr, Shaffmaster, & Wolf) I don't remember seeing any mention of Madison Williams enrolling early at Texas, but that is possible. What's more likely is that she is sitting out the club season due her ACL injury back in October.
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Jan 5, 2020 11:00:54 GMT -5
So this is an analysis of the 18's teams?
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Post by jasonr on Jan 5, 2020 11:53:17 GMT -5
However, senior ace Samantha Schnitta (Ole Miss) is not on the roster and must be enrolling early with Ole Miss? Schnitta did enroll early at Ole Miss.
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Post by duckfan on Jan 5, 2020 12:03:08 GMT -5
It is a quick point system based on Prepvolleyball senior ace ranking, Under Armour ranking - and then NCAA All-American and All-Conference teams, which isn't relevant for HS players. From memory: Senior Ace List: 1-5 = 7 points 6-10 = 6 points 11-25 = 5 points 26-50 = 4 points 51-100 = 3 points 101-110 = 1.5 points 111-250 = 1 point 251-262 = .5 points I have to improvise with Juniors and Sophomores. If they made the Top 50 Juniors, then 4 points, unless they are someone that I have a sense is likely to be T10. HM get some points. As for Sophomores - that is more fuzzy. Generally, a Sophomore playing 18U is probably very good... Under Armour: 1st Team = 1 point 2nd or 3rd Team = .5 points Kinda surprised the Under Armour girls don’t get more points, and that HM gets no points. I think this year there were over 1300 nominations, and some ridiculous talent, like endsley, skinner, Ndiaye were on the 2nd or 3rd teams. I realize a lot of overlap with prep vball list but not always
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