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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 12, 2020 23:07:16 GMT -5
Sorry but they couldn't get it done with Edmond. I don't see it happening without her. Tennessee couldn't get it done with Peyton Manning - winning the NC the year after he left. Washington Nationals couldn't win with Bryce Harper - winning the world series the year he left. Losing a great player doesn't preclude a team from winning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 23:23:36 GMT -5
Sorry but they couldn't get it done with Edmond. I don't see it happening without her. Tennessee couldn't get it done with Peyton Manning - winning the NC the year after he left. Washington Nationals couldn't win with Bryce Harper - winning the world series the year he left. Losing a great player doesn't preclude a team from winning. agreed especially when they return some of the best players in the country at their respective positions and likely the number 1 recruiting class
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Post by jwvolley on Jan 12, 2020 23:47:28 GMT -5
Sorry but they couldn't get it done with Edmond. I don't see it happening without her. Tennessee couldn't get it done with Peyton Manning - winning the NC the year after he left. Washington Nationals couldn't win with Bryce Harper - winning the world series the year he left. Losing a great player doesn't preclude a team from winning. I don't recall saying anywhere that it's not possible. I said I don't see it happening. Stumler didn't even hit .250 in the SEC last year. Skinner hasn't started in years. Fischer and others are unproven at the college level. I'm not really impressed by anyone they have in the middle. Lilley tends to be inconsistent in the big moments and yes, losing a 4 year go to player is going to hurt them.
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Post by saywhatnow on Jan 13, 2020 0:14:16 GMT -5
Tennessee couldn't get it done with Peyton Manning - winning the NC the year after he left. Washington Nationals couldn't win with Bryce Harper - winning the world series the year he left. Losing a great player doesn't preclude a team from winning. I don't recall saying anywhere that it's not possible. I said I don't see it happening. Stumler didn't even hit .250 in the SEC last year. Skinner hasn't started in years. Fischer and others are unproven at the college level. I'm not really impressed by anyone they have in the middle. Lilley tends to be inconsistent in the big moments and yes, losing a 4 year go to player is going to hurt them. . The analogy would work better if you can recall a team that did better after losing their 4 year go to player. Football and Pro baseball don’t translate well to volleyball. Can one of the skinners and stummler be the bailout and produce like Edmond? Someone else said it earlier that the Cats haven’t had high quality middles since Brown left and that is problematic! Right now there are too many question marks but a load of talent. We shall see what that produces.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Jan 13, 2020 0:50:33 GMT -5
I don't recall saying anywhere that it's not possible. I said I don't see it happening. Stumler didn't even hit .250 in the SEC last year. Skinner hasn't started in years. Fischer and others are unproven at the college level. I'm not really impressed by anyone they have in the middle. Lilley tends to be inconsistent in the big moments and yes, losing a 4 year go to player is going to hurt them. . The analogy would work better if you can recall a team that did better after losing their 4 year go to player. Football and Pro baseball don’t translate well to volleyball. Can one of the skinners and stummler be the bailout and produce like Edmond? Someone else said it earlier that the Cats haven’t had high quality middles since Brown left and that is problematic! Right now there are too many question marks but a load of talent. We shall see what that produces. One more year and they will have one.
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 13, 2020 8:51:00 GMT -5
This season could be very rough with a lot of learning curves or they could get it to click fast and be successful. You don’t know what you’re going to get with 3 new starters, 2 of which will likely be freshman. But, in 2024, when this recruiting class are seniors and the 21 class are juniors, watch out
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 13, 2020 10:28:51 GMT -5
Tennessee couldn't get it done with Peyton Manning - winning the NC the year after he left. Washington Nationals couldn't win with Bryce Harper - winning the world series the year he left. Losing a great player doesn't preclude a team from winning. I don't recall saying anywhere that it's not possible. I said I don't see it happening. Stumler didn't even hit .250 in the SEC last year. Skinner hasn't started in years. Fischer and others are unproven at the college level. I'm not really impressed by anyone they have in the middle. Lilley tends to be inconsistent in the big moments and yes, losing a 4 year go to player is going to hurt them. I don't disagree with you - Kentucky or just about anyone winning the NC besides Stanford, Nebraska and maybe a couple others seems unlikely based on recent history. But it isn't because they couldn't win with a star player that is leaving.
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Post by eotexas5 on Jan 13, 2020 10:30:12 GMT -5
Tennessee couldn't get it done with Peyton Manning - winning the NC the year after he left. Washington Nationals couldn't win with Bryce Harper - winning the world series the year he left. Losing a great player doesn't preclude a team from winning. agreed especially when they return some of the best players in the country at their respective positions and likely the number 1 recruiting class Just curious, who else would you include in this besides Lilley?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 10:51:51 GMT -5
agreed especially when they return some of the best players in the country at their respective positions and likely the number 1 recruiting class Just curious, who else would you include in this besides Lilley? Curry is a top 3 Libero (if we exclude the rising snr class).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 11:05:46 GMT -5
agreed especially when they return some of the best players in the country at their respective positions and likely the number 1 recruiting class Just curious, who else would you include in this besides Lilley? Curry is a top 5 libero easily. I’d also make the argument that Lauren Tharp is one of the best DS in the country. Stumler is in my opinion in the top 10-15 outsides in the country next year as well. Her ball control and bics set her apart.
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 13, 2020 12:55:32 GMT -5
Just curious, who else would you include in this besides Lilley? Curry is a top 5 libero easily. I’d also make the argument that Lauren Tharp is one of the best DS in the country. Stumler is in my opinion in the top 10-15 outsides in the country next year as well. Her ball control and bics set her apart. Yes I agree. Stumler is an OH who is low error and meek plays, she’d start and pretty much any team in the country. Skinner touches 10’9 I heard, which is insane. Having the highest contact point on the floor is something that will certainly help her as a freshman. Fischer also has a very high touch, and that’s one thing that’s hard to teach.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 13:12:18 GMT -5
Curry is a top 5 libero easily. I’d also make the argument that Lauren Tharp is one of the best DS in the country. Stumler is in my opinion in the top 10-15 outsides in the country next year as well. Her ball control and bics set her apart. Yes I agree. Stumler is an OH who is low error and meek plays, she’d start and pretty much any team in the country. Skinner touches 10’9 I heard, which is insane. Having the highest contact point on the floor is something that will certainly help her as a freshman. Fischer also has a very high touch, and that’s one thing that’s hard to teach. I’m always nervous when I get quoted because I feel like people are gonna be like NO YOUR OPINION IS INVALID AND YOU KNOW NOTHING. Lmaoooo so thanks for agreeing and yes this Kentucky offense is gonna be a thing of beauty. If they pick up a transfer middle they are FF bound
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 13:36:12 GMT -5
Just curious, who else would you include in this besides Lilley? Curry is a top 5 libero easily. I’d also make the argument that Lauren Tharp is one of the best DS in the country. Stumler is in my opinion in the top 10-15 outsides in the country next year as well. Her ball control and bics set her apart. I like these kinds of posts because they give me something to dig into. Curry, sure I couldn't name 5 better Liberos with eligibility remaining. Tharp I'll give you that too; she passed a 2.33 this year (a shade higher than a Curry actually). In that breath I should also mention that Stumler passed a 2.33 as well. To me this is what makes Kentucky so strong. As a team that passed a 2.28! There were a lot of teams in the tournament this year that didn't have ONE PLAYER that passed a 2.28. However, with that said, Stumler isn't a top 15 OH in the country because she simply isn't terminal enough. A 32.5% kill rate simply isn't elite and when you look a bit deeper, volleymetrics tracks all offensive touches, and divides them between positive ('better' the ball for your team) or negative. Stumler has a 43.8% negative touch rate and a 12.7% positive one. The positive touch score is fine (similar to Edmond) but the negative touch score is just way too high. Edmond, Eggleston, May are all around the 32-33% rate. Don't get me wrong, she's an excellent player, but she isn't terminal enough to be top 15 in my opinion.
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 13, 2020 14:38:07 GMT -5
Yes I agree. Stumler is an OH who is low error and meek plays, she’d start and pretty much any team in the country. Skinner touches 10’9 I heard, which is insane. Having the highest contact point on the floor is something that will certainly help her as a freshman. Fischer also has a very high touch, and that’s one thing that’s hard to teach. I’m always nervous when I get quoted because I feel like people are gonna be like NO YOUR OPINION IS INVALID AND YOU KNOW NOTHING. Lmaoooo so thanks for agreeing and yes this Kentucky offense is gonna be a thing of beauty. If they pick up a transfer middle they are FF bound Haha I agree with everything you said, if I didn’t I wouldn’t be like that anyways, that’s for the sad, jobless, middle aged men on here. I agree a middle transfer could really help them. This next season will likely start out rough as we are likely to see 2 starting freshman and 3 new starting members in total. There’s a lot of new offense this year. Only stumler and Paris returning offensive players. I like what you said about Tharp, she is very good and truly makes a difference from the ds position. side note ; does anyone have ANY film of Madison skinner?? I can’t find anything on YouTube so if anyone knows where any video is please send it to me or post it lmao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 15:01:14 GMT -5
Curry is a top 5 libero easily. I’d also make the argument that Lauren Tharp is one of the best DS in the country. Stumler is in my opinion in the top 10-15 outsides in the country next year as well. Her ball control and bics set her apart. I like these kinds of posts because they give me something to dig into. Curry, sure I couldn't name 5 better Liberos with eligibility remaining. Tharp I'll give you that too; she passed a 2.33 this year (a shade higher than a Curry actually). In that breath I should also mention that Stumler passed a 2.33 as well. To me this is what makes Kentucky so strong. As a team that passed a 2.28! There were a lot of teams in the tournament this year that didn't have ONE PLAYER that passed a 2.28. However, with that said, Stumler isn't a top 15 OH in the country because she simply isn't terminal enough. A 32.5% kill rate simply isn't elite and when you look a bit deeper, volleymetrics tracks all offensive touches, and divides them between positive ('better' the ball for your team) or negative. Stumler has a 43.8% negative touch rate and a 12.7% positive one. The positive touch score is fine (similar to Edmond) but the negative touch score is just way too high. Edmond, Eggleston, May are all around the 32-33% rate. Don't get me wrong, she's an excellent player, but she isn't terminal enough to be top 15 in my opinion. I believe her passing and defense along with her ability to hit out of the back row is what makes her a top 15 outside. She doesn’t HAVE to be incredibly terminal with the amount of offense Kentucky has. She puts up the numbers they need from her. I bet she will be even more terminal this year as well. As Leah won’t be there so she will need to step up her game.
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