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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Apr 22, 2020 20:05:57 GMT -5
Strength of schedule RISING LIKE A ROCKET! .
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Post by Kingsley on Apr 27, 2020 14:11:44 GMT -5
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Post by jake on Apr 27, 2020 15:47:49 GMT -5
CAL POLY How tough a schedule will coach Walters cook up for 2020???
Will a rematch with the Bruins be a possibility? It's only a bus ride either way.
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Post by cindra on Apr 28, 2020 19:33:55 GMT -5
Any guesses where A&M is going first? This is a real stumper.
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Apr 28, 2020 19:42:39 GMT -5
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Post by dman on Apr 28, 2020 19:42:39 GMT -5
Seeing schedules posted is a very positive sign. I wouldn’t think this would be done without approval from higher ups. Thinking a volleyball season is upon us!!
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 28, 2020 19:52:50 GMT -5
CAL POLY How tough a schedule will coach Walters cook up for 2020??? Will a rematch with the Bruins be a possibility? It's only a bus ride either way. Who cares if Buchler isn't their to put them in their place
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Post by n00b on Apr 28, 2020 20:36:31 GMT -5
Seeing schedules posted is a very positive sign. I wouldn’t think this would be done without approval from higher ups. Thinking a volleyball season is upon us!! I'm actually REALLY surprised by this. But I guess if anybody is going to do it, the SEC makes sense. They aren't as worried about budgets and they don't have any schools in the northeast or California. There are going to be REALLY tough decisions to make when 49 states are open and California isn't. Or 47 vs California, New York and New Jersey.
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Post by cindra on Apr 28, 2020 20:53:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so sure that a schedule release means a season. AFAIK schools still have no idea if it's gonna happen or not, they're just proceeding as normal to keep fan engagement up and all.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Apr 28, 2020 21:06:42 GMT -5
Historically May and June are when the vast majority of the schedules drop. Maybe not this year though.
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 28, 2020 21:14:49 GMT -5
Strength of schedule RISING LIKE A ROCKET! UCF is a very sensible scheduling choice for the heavyweight teams. The Knights will continue to put together rock-solid seasons. I don't think it's as big of a shoe in as you think. Firstly, they lose some offensive production, their libero, and a setter so it remains to be seen whether they can have a repeat performance this year, regardless of schedule. Re the schedule, I'm not sure WHO these teams are BUT It's one thing if one or two heavyweight teams schedule UCF, BUT if UCF is chalking it's preseason full of teams it has a good chance of losing to, nobody really benefits. The AAC is NOT going to be some juggernaut conference, and they are going to lose Cincinatti as another top 25 RPI boosting team without Thompson. IF multiple top teams play what are perceived be lesser teams that will flirt with top 25 status, you run big risks with said the team if they take too many losses because of the schedule. Ask Penn State and Stanford how they feel about scheduling Texas A&M in 2017.
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Post by Kingsley on Apr 28, 2020 21:35:21 GMT -5
Strength of schedule RISING LIKE A ROCKET! UCF is a very sensible scheduling choice for the heavyweight teams. The Knights will continue to put together rock-solid seasons. I don't think it's as big of a shoe in as you think. Firstly, they lose some offensive production, their libero, and a setter so it remains to be seen whether they can have a repeat performance this year, regardless of schedule. Re the schedule, I'm not sure WHO these teams are BUT It's one thing if one or two heavyweight teams schedule UCF, BUT if UCF is chalking it's preseason full of teams it has a good chance of losing to, nobody really benefits. The AAC is NOT going to be some juggernaut conference, and they are going to lose Cincinatti as another top 25 RPI boosting team without Thompson. IF multiple top teams play what are perceived be lesser teams that will flirt with top 25 status, you run big risks with said the team if they take too many losses because of the schedule. Ask Penn State and Stanford how they feel about scheduling Texas A&M in 2017. I'll wait to see exactly who they've slated in non-conference before assessing W-L potential, but there's definitely some risk there depending on what they put together. I don't think they'll tank in conference play like TAMU, just because UCF will always be near the top of the AAC.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 28, 2020 21:38:45 GMT -5
I don't think it's as big of a shoe in as you think. Firstly, they lose some offensive production, their libero, and a setter so it remains to be seen whether they can have a repeat performance this year, regardless of schedule. Re the schedule, I'm not sure WHO these teams are BUT It's one thing if one or two heavyweight teams schedule UCF, BUT if UCF is chalking it's preseason full of teams it has a good chance of losing to, nobody really benefits. The AAC is NOT going to be some juggernaut conference, and they are going to lose Cincinatti as another top 25 RPI boosting team without Thompson. IF multiple top teams play what are perceived be lesser teams that will flirt with top 25 status, you run big risks with said the team if they take too many losses because of the schedule. Ask Penn State and Stanford how they feel about scheduling Texas A&M in 2017. You can argue that UCF won't be a T25 team or that they aren't a goldmine of a team to schedule, but at the same time it is hard for me to see how any team would NOT benefit by playing UCF and winning. Texas A&M in 2017 actually had competition in the SEC on top of playing a brutally tough non-conference schedule. There is absolutely no way to compare UCF to that team. UCF's competition in the AAC has taken a hit. UCF is going to wrack up a ton of conference wins like it did last year, and the year before. Now, they don't have to worry about Thompson. Tulsa lost its best player to Arizona, Memphis lost their best player to Penn State, South Florida was already awful and had a mass exodus. Also, I'm not sure UCF losing their libero is going to hurt that much. I'm sure @bigwestfan2 could come and agree with me here UCF's combo of Melville+Watson is by far the best combo of 2 pin-hitters in the conference, and I don't think it's even close at this point. A few AAC teams are not afraid to take a risk and recruit internationally, so it could be interesting if one of them hits big on an international stud especially with no ACT/SAT requirements for this year. (Tulsa hit big with Dilara Gedikoglu last year, but then she transferred). The rest of the AAC is too far behind UCF for UCF to be come even a slightly risky scheduling choice. Even if UCF goes 4-8 in the non-conference, their conference performance would easily make up for them to be a beneficial team to play.
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 28, 2020 21:51:43 GMT -5
I don't think it's as big of a shoe in as you think. Firstly, they lose some offensive production, their libero, and a setter so it remains to be seen whether they can have a repeat performance this year, regardless of schedule. Re the schedule, I'm not sure WHO these teams are BUT It's one thing if one or two heavyweight teams schedule UCF, BUT if UCF is chalking it's preseason full of teams it has a good chance of losing to, nobody really benefits. The AAC is NOT going to be some juggernaut conference, and they are going to lose Cincinatti as another top 25 RPI boosting team without Thompson. IF multiple top teams play what are perceived be lesser teams that will flirt with top 25 status, you run big risks with said the team if they take too many losses because of the schedule. Ask Penn State and Stanford how they feel about scheduling Texas A&M in 2017. You can argue that UCF won't be a T25 team or that they aren't a goldmine of a team to schedule, but at the same time it is hard for me to see how any team would NOT benefit by playing UCF and winning. Texas A&M in 2017 actually had competition in the SEC on top of playing a brutally tough non-conference schedule. There is absolutely no way to compare UCF to that team. UCF's competition in the AAC has taken a hit. UCF is going to wrack up a ton of conference wins like it did last year, and the year before. Now, they don't have to worry about Thompson. Tulsa lost its best player to Arizona, Memphis lost their best player to Penn State, South Florida was already awful and had a mass exodus. Also, I'm not sure UCF losing their libero is going to hurt that much. I'm sure @bigwestfan2 could come and agree with me here UCF's combo of Melville+Watson is by far the best combo of 2 pin-hitters in the conference, and I don't think it's even close at this point. A few AAC teams are not afraid to take a risk and recruit internationally, so it could be interesting if one of them hits big on an international stud especially with no ACT/SAT requirements for this year. (Tulsa hit big with Dilara Gedikoglu last year, but then she transferred). The rest of the AAC is too far behind UCF for UCF to be come even a slightly risky scheduling choice. Even if UCF goes 4-8 in the non-conference, their conference performance would easily make up for them to be a beneficial team to play. Yes, I was looking at it through the lens of UCF at potentially being an "RPI Gold Mine" team, which, IMO, not only boosts your own aggregate SOS by having fewer losses BUT boosts your nitty gritty come selection by being a top 25 win. A 4-8 UCF non-conference performance is NOT going to be a top 25 RPI team, and I'd argue that if the AAC doesn't schedule smartly as a conference, a 4-8 non-conference performance could put UCF flirting with not even being a top 50 RPI team, even if they ran the table in conference because the craptastic conference SOS will negate the likely huge non-conference SOS UCF will have. If we are giving UCF the standard of a generally safe probable tournament team for the seed quality teams to put on their resume, I agree, safe pick...if you are looking at UCF for the heavyweight teams to jockey for seeds, or for UCF to make a tangible difference for the resume of a possible regional host, I think it's not as straight cut as if they chalk their preseason full of teams that can and will beat them.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 28, 2020 22:01:01 GMT -5
Yes, I was looking at it through the lens of UCF at potentially being an "RPI Gold Mine" team, which, IMO, not only boosts your own aggregate SOS by having fewer losses BUT boosts your nitty gritty come selection by being a top 25 win. A 4-8 UCF non-conference performance is NOT going to be a top 25 RPI team, and I'd argue that if the AAC doesn't schedule smartly as a conference, a 4-8 non-conference performance could put UCF flirting with not even being a top 50 RPI team, even if they ran the table in conference because the craptastic conference SOS will negate the likely huge non-conference SOS UCF will have. If we are giving UCF the standard of a generally safe probable tournament team for the seed quality teams to put on their resume, I agree, safe pick...if you are looking at UCF for the heavyweight teams to jockey for seeds, or for UCF to make a tangible difference for the resume of a possible regional host, I think it's not as straight cut as if they chalk their preseason full of teams that can and will beat them. The AAC is one of the best conferences when it comes to getting the most "RPI Bang for your buck". They explicitly say in their manual that if you are a lower-level conference team, it is best to schedule the weakest teams possible and rack up as many non-conference wins as possible. Temple, East Carolina, and Memphis were excellent in this manner. Temple went 3-13 in the AAC while Memphis and ECU went 6-10. But their non-conference records were excellent: Temple went 9-2, ECU went 13-1, and Memphis went 11-1. UCF and Cincinnati were very close to being seeded teams. Tulane, SMU, and Tulsa all had chances to get at-large bids, but the mid-level AAC teams all beat up on each other enough to prevent that. The AAC is well set up to look better in RPI than they actually are. This is how UCF got seeded two years ago.
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 28, 2020 22:04:33 GMT -5
That's the point; if they lose, it doesn't hurt them, if they win it's probably going to look really good by the end of the season. Winning matches is always the most important regardless who you play. Better to play and beat the best team you can schedule. Don't get sucked in believing losing to a solid team will help your RPI,...it doesn't. JUST WIN BABY!!! Uh huh....tell that to Cal last year. Cal: Record 20-10 Illinois: Record 16-13 Cal: RPI 48 Illinois: RPI 50 But...Illinois played, and lost, 4 more games against RPI top 25 teams. we all know who ended up with an NCAA tournament bid and who didn't.
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